What's a conservative way to address healthcare and insurance costs?

[JoeB131]

I won't deny that "end of life" procedure costs are a big problem.....I mean does a 90 year-old really need a internal defibrillator?

Cost of defibrillator insertion or replacement by state | Sidecar Health

DEFIBRILLATOR INSERTION OR REPLACEMENT procedure cash costs range between $39,328 and $64,729 depending on the type of care facility and state

cost.sidecarhealth.com

I can hear you now going on about "death panels".

Isn't that what you are effectively advocating? That 90-year-old has had a full life; she doesn't need a defibrillator to keep her going.

 

[1srelluc]

Isn't that what you are effectively advocating? That 90-year-old has had a full life; she doesn't need a defibrillator to keep her going.

Some type of "this option is not available" has to be put in place after a certain age.....Much like how the aged are not at the top of the list for certain organ transplants....Sucks but there it is.

 

[Marener]

Some type of "this option is not available" has to be put in place after a certain age.....Much like how the aged are not at the top of the list for certain organ transplants....Sucks but there it is.

Organ transplants are a limited resource that requires rationing.

Last time anyone had the balls to talk about this was Obama and the right tried to destroy him with it.

 

[whitehall]

Restrict taxpayer funded health care to American citizens.

 

[Oddball]

I won't deny that "end of life" procedure costs are a big problem.....I mean does a 90 year-old really need a internal defibrillator?

Cost of defibrillator insertion or replacement by state | Sidecar Health

DEFIBRILLATOR INSERTION OR REPLACEMENT procedure cash costs range between $39,328 and $64,729 depending on the type of care facility and state

cost.sidecarhealth.com

I can hear you now going on about "death panels".

End of life care is excessively expensive because it's "free" via Medicare.

Subsidize something, you get more of it.

 

[Crepitus]

I won't deny that "end of life" procedure costs are a big problem.....I mean does a 90 year-old really need a internal defibrillator?

Cost of defibrillator insertion or replacement by state | Sidecar Health

DEFIBRILLATOR INSERTION OR REPLACEMENT procedure cash costs range between $39,328 and $64,729 depending on the type of care facility and state

cost.sidecarhealth.com

I can hear you now going on about "death panels".

But there it is, right there in your post.

 

[Seymour Flops]

IMHO.....It's the same as the fix for student loans - get the .gov out of the health care business.

Government laws and policies got us here so I don't think more government policies, no matter how well intentioned, is gonna fix it.

That and Health Care Insurance should be able to be bought like car insurance, across state lines.

Let folks purchase whatever insurance product they want instead of being forced into a product designed to subsidize others.

Yes, yes, and yes.

That is what is lost in the Obamacare debate, that over-regulation is what made health insurance such a mess in the first place.

I just had some major dental work, and it was affordable with dental insurance and with my FSA. Because profit seekers keep the costs at a level that ordinary folks can afford it, there being no subsidies for dental plans.

I'd be gumming down wet crackers if dental care had fallen under the ACA.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Restrict taxpayer funded health care to American citizens.

Let's be real. You want no support. Those billionaires need a break.

 

[JoeB131]

Some type of "this option is not available" has to be put in place after a certain age.....Much like how the aged are not at the top of the list for certain organ transplants....Sucks but there it is.

So essentially, death panels.

Transplant organs are limited because there aren't enough donor organs to go around.

 

[braalian]

So essentially, death panels.

Transplant organs are limited because there aren't enough donor organs to go around.

So how would you suggest limited resources be given when there’s not enough to go around?

 

[JoeB131]

So how would you suggest limited resources be given when there’s not enough to go around?

Depends on what the resource is. The hospitals have plenty of defibulators, they can install on in Nana.

But a heart transplant, probably not so much.

 

[braalian]

Depends on what the resource is. The hospitals have plenty of defibulators, they can install on in Nana.

But a heart transplant, probably not so much.

If nana’s 96 years old, her doctors definitely have the right to deny aggressive and evasive procedures

 

[1srelluc]

So essentially, death panels.

Transplant organs are limited because there aren't enough donor organs to go around.

So what 'death panel" decides who gets what and at what age?

Dick Cheney "found" a heart when he was 71.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[whitehall]

Let's be real. You want no support. Those billionaires need a break.

What does that mean? Why not restrict taxpayer funded health care to taxpayers?

 

[Natural Citizen]

IMHO.....It's the same as the fix for student loans - get the .gov out of the health care business.

Government laws and policies got us here so I don't think more government policies, no matter how well intentioned, is gonna fix it.

That and Health Care Insurance should be able to be bought like car insurance, across state lines.

Let folks purchase whatever insurance product they want instead of being forced into a product designed to subsidize others.

Hm. Now where have I heard all of that before...hmmmm...lemme think...oh, I know...

 

[1srelluc]

Hm. Now where have I heard all of that before...hmmmm...lemme think...oh, I know...

Huh, I'm a wizard!

Damn shame that the smelly "mah weed" people ruined his message.....Had they just stuck it out and STFU they could now be as smelly as they want.

 

[JoeB131]

If nana’s 96 years old, her doctors definitely have the right to deny aggressive and evasive procedures

And she has the right to go to another doctor. That's the free market.

(I think the word you were looking for was 'invasive procedures.)

The question becomes, how does she afford it? Is Medicare footing the bill? Is she independently wealthy, and is she spending her children's inheritance?

 

[JoeB131]

So what 'death panel" decides who gets what and at what age?

Dick Cheney "found" a heart when he was 71.

You mean we have another set of rules for the rich and powerful? Color me shocked.

Obviously, there are groups that rank transplant recipients based on need, and then further sort them by tissue typing.

 

[1srelluc]

You mean we have another set of rules for the rich and powerful? Color me shocked.

Obviously, there are groups that rank transplant recipients based on need, and then further sort them by tissue typing.

The Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network (OPTN) is the primary organization that ranks transplant recipients based on need. It provides a comprehensive database of information about the candidate waiting list and transplant surgeries. The OPTN maintains the national database of information about the candidate waiting list and transplant surgeries, allowing for the exploration of transplant and donor trends and key statistics.


The Scientific Registry of Transplant Recipients (SRTR) also plays a significant role in ranking transplant recipients. It provides statistical analysis to the OPTN and the Department of Health and Human Services, assisting in policy development, performance metrics, economic analysis, and preparation of special reports to Congress. SRTR data is publicly available and accessible to everyone, including the public.

organdonor.gov

Both the OPTN and SRTR are essential resources for understanding the ranking and need for organ transplants in the United States.

So there are "death panels".