What would it take to secure the Strait?

[Deadstick]

I am about the last person on earth that "swallows" Israel's propaganda. - so keep that ridiculous accusation for yourself.

What does Hezbollah's (a Shiite Muslim organization's) founding date, have to do with Iran actively financing, training and arming them since 1982??? - NOTHING
And Fact is that Hezbollah runs a global terror network - paid for by Iran.

I never disputed this - but you deny that Hamas a Sunni Islamic organization, is massively financed, trained and armed by Iran's Shiites.

Did I question this?

I seriously doubt that - no one matches the IDF in the Middle-East. Furthermore they posses nukes.
However without US financial and diplomatic support - Israel would be far more willing to settle admirably with the Palestinians.

However, does this solve the issue with Iran and Iranian backed organizations who call for a State of Israel ceasing to exist?

Israel with the Genocidal Regime they have doesn't deserve to exist,Iran isn't the bad guy here, their Country was attacked and they have a right to defend it.

 

[Kruska]

Israel with the Genocidal Regime they have doesn't deserve to exist,Iran isn't the bad guy here, their Country was attacked and they have a right to defend it.

I for my part have no issue with a State of Israel in former Palestine - since also no other country wanted to take them.
My issue pertains to Israels borders, and that a separate enclave of Gaza and the West-bank isn't a solution, is obvious.

That the USA had absolutely no right to attack Iran, is absolutely clear. And Iran has every right to defend themselves.
Iran is in a way the bad guy, simply because they use proxies (so far) to gain control of Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. They are IMO not "innocent" in that regard, as you are trying to paint them.

As long as e.g. Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran deny Israel's right to a State of Israel - well, if I would be Israel I also would attack them and would also have to face the consequences of being attacked by those three. That Israels continued land robbing of Palestinian lands, killing of Palestinians and it's genocidal actions onto Gaza, don't make negotiations easier is understood.

 

[Deadstick]

I for my part have no issue with a State of Israel in former Palestine - since also no other country wanted to take them.
My issue pertains to Israels borders, and that a separate enclave of Gaza and the West-bank isn't a solution, is obvious.

That the USA had absolutely no right to attack Iran, is absolutely clear. And Iran has every right to defend themselves.
Iran is in a way the bad guy, simply because they use proxies (so far) to gain control of Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. They are IMO not "innocent" in that regard, as you are trying to paint them.

As long as e.g. Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran deny Israel's right to a State of Israel - well, if I would be Israel I also would attack them and would also have to face the consequences of being attacked by those three. That Israels continued land robbing of Palestinian lands, killing of Palestinians and it's genocidal actions onto Gaza, don't make negotiations easier is understood.

But the Israelis don't want the Palestinians to have a state, as for no Country wanting to take them doesn't give them the right to take other peoples land, the Jews were a minority in what is Israel until all those Europeans took over, now they are making Arabs pay for a Holocaust that was carried out by Europeans, as for Hezbollah if not for them the Israelis would be drinking beer in Beirut, the so called Lebanese Government are a joke like the Lebanese army, where were they everytime the Israelis invaded and occupied Southern Lebanon? they were sat on their hands or some of them collaborated with the Israeli invaders, remember the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Beirut where the Israelis controlled the Camp and let Fascist millitia into the camp to murder thousands of Palestinians? there were no fighters in the camp because the PLO had withdrawn, the victims were kids Women and the old.

 

[AZrailwhale]

But the Israelis don't want the Palestinians to have a state, as for no Country wanting to take them doesn't give them the right to take other peoples land, the Jews were a minority in what is Israel until all those Europeans took over, now they are making Arabs pay for a Holocaust that was carried out by Europeans, as for Hezbollah if not for them the Israelis would be drinking beer in Beirut, the so called Lebanese Government are a joke like the Lebanese army, where were they everytime the Israelis invaded and occupied Southern Lebanon? they were sat on their hands or some of them collaborated with the Israeli invaders, remember the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Beirut where the Israelis controlled the Camp and let Fascist millitia into the camp to murder thousands of Palestinians? there were no fighters in the camp because the PLO had withdrawn, the victims were kids Women and the old.

The Israelis have offered the "Palestinians" an independent state on at least three occasions. The "Palestinians" rejected all three agreements because they required the "Palestinians" to agree that Israel had the right to exist as a Jewish state.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What would it take to secure the Strait of Hormuz? I'm talking about how to make Iran militarily incapable of threatening ships going through that passage. Do we need to secure all of Iran's coastline and destroy all of its ships? How far inland would we have to go to prevent aerial attacks? Do we have the military capability to do these things?

My personal opinion is that you bomb Kharg Island. Completely destroy it. That is their oil lifeline.

 

[Kruska]

But the Israelis don't want the Palestinians to have a state, as for no Country wanting to take them doesn't give them the right to take other peoples land, the Jews were a minority in what is Israel until all those Europeans took over, now they are making Arabs pay for a Holocaust that was carried out by Europeans, as for Hezbollah if not for them the Israelis would be drinking beer in Beirut, the so called Lebanese Government are a joke like the Lebanese army, where were they everytime the Israelis invaded and occupied Southern Lebanon? they were sat on their hands or some of them collaborated with the Israeli invaders, remember the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Beirut where the Israelis controlled the Camp and let Fascist millitia into the camp to murder thousands of Palestinians? there were no fighters in the camp because the PLO had withdrawn, the victims were kids Women and the old.

Yep - that's the true problem, simply due to Israel not willing to negotiate on "even terms". As long as the USA fully supports their actions and Israel being in possession of nukes.

So independent of a radical religious Mullah regime in Iran - Iran being in possession of a nuclear capability would certainly change that status quo. IMO that being the foremost reason why Israel desperately want's Iran's nuclear ambitions buried. On the other hand it would also allow for a radical religious regime in Iran to "threaten" everyone else as well.

 

[Kruska]

The Israelis have offered the "Palestinians" an independent state on at least three occasions. The "Palestinians" rejected all three agreements because they required the "Palestinians" to agree that Israel had the right to exist as a Jewish state.

Come on - these "discussions" or negotiations were for pure show on the Israeli side - knowing what they offer in exchange, the PLO could and would never accept it. And the PLO factually agreed to the right for Israel to exist already in 1993 - Oslo Accords.

 

[Kruska]

My personal opinion is that you bomb Kharg Island. Completely destroy it. That is their oil lifeline.

What would it change? aside from Iran turning ALL Middle East oil refineries into rubble. Which would be a total disaster for the entire world economy, and it's effect would last for years.