What was a reason for God to sacrifice His Son?

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your entire post is utterly idiotic--------it is based on absolutely nothing------every word. Who were the "Israelite spiritual leaders
of that time? --------You IDIOTICALLY refer to these imaginary people but cannot name EVEN ONE. You then DECIDE what
all the jews of Judea "THOUGHT". Your claim that DA JOOOS
tried to kill Jesus-----is even more idiotic. If DA JOOOS wanted to
kill Jesus------why didn't they? If Jesus did not like the written law---why is he accused by your very own of claiming----I DO NOT
INTEND TO CHANGE A JOT.------he was lying?. Jesus said
"satan rules the world" when did he come up with that one?
It is not your fault-----you sunday school teacher screwed your mind

Oh I am sorry, I thought you had a clue. Your lack of understanding reality is the problem.

I have lots of understanding-----I understand that I asked very
simple questions about that which you posted-----and you are
unable to answer ANY of the very simple questions.

I will repeat just one of the VERY simple questions----
> Who were the Israelite spiritual leaders who wanted
to kill Jesus < ??? try to answer----I am getting
tired of asking this very simple question

Herod?

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

The bible does not say that John the Baptist and Jesus were Pharisees.

 

[irosie91]

excellent answer ---DINGY-----It is just as I understand----you have
no idea about the life and times of the PERSON JESUS. There is
no doubt that Herod would have DISLIKED JESUS------but he was
ABSOLUTELY NOT-----an Israelite spiritual leader. He was not
even a JOOOO. He was an EDOMITE---educated in rome and
APPOINTED BY ROME to be DA KING OF JUDEA. -----the people
who OPPOSED HIM VEHEMENTLY-----were the PHARISEES---like
John da mikvah man (and Pharisee) and Jesus the PHARISEE.
For the record----I was not educated in jewish history by some JEWISH
ORGANIZATION. I was not educated in CHRISTIAN history---by some Jewish organization--------I just read lots and lots in my youth---
and was schlepped to sunday school by a very kindly Christian neighbor-------to accompany her daughter---my little playmate. I have no doubt that lots of little sunday school goers (in fact I know) believe that the
evil "money changers" in the temple court yard were PHARISEES-----
NOPE!!!!! they were Sadducees----just as were the ROMAN APPOINTEE "high priests" at that time. Of all people in the realm---
the person that DA PHARISEE JOOOOS (including Jesus) hated the
most was CAIAPHAS-----the roman appointee who (as the story goes)
paid judas to "betray" ------"Christ". see? the people that miss sunday school teacher TOLD you were da evil jooooo "trying to kill"
jesus, the petty minded legalists------was JESUS HIMSELF------a PHARISEE. so now you know. You got one thing right-----
The Pharisee jews are the TALMUDISTS-----just like the guy Jesus
liked the most and quoted incessently ----HILLEL. The Romans
despised the Pharisees. The Pharisees RESISTED THE ROMAN WAY OF LIFE--------they refuse to kiss roman ass and laugh at lion lunch
spectacles

Herod the Great - Wikipedia

Herod's father was by descent an Edomite, descendants of Esau, whose ancestors had converted to Judaism. Herod was raised as a Jew.[16][17][18][19][20]

so they say------but he was not OF THE ROYAL LINE----remember---the
KING was supposed to be a descendant OF JUDAH -----the fourth son of Jacob (Israel) JACOB SAID SO ON HIS DEATH BED. As to being raised a jew----yes------but he was not an actual legal successor
to DA THRONE and he was educated in rome-----his religious adherence was in question----LOTS. Mostly da joooos saw him as a roman shill---just as they saw CAIAPHAS as a roman shill and just as they saw the 'money changers' in the Temple court yard as SHILLS of rome. Pharisees hated them and Roman shills hated Pharisees------so now you know. Jesus----as you probably know-----was a descendant of JUDAH---thru his father Joseph. John the Baptist was a descendant of
Judah too. The roman shills did not like the pharisee guys like Jesus and John the Baptist. The people recognized those guys as legal leaders. Todays Christians are of THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE-----
and -----hate Pharisees----------so they converted Jesus into a non-pharisee. It is quite an historic joke. I am not of the tribe of Judah---
but I am a joooo. -------and---sorta----in a way-----likely a descendant of
Phariseees. Romans loved to CRUCIFY phariseeees-----historians
believe that your pal PONTIUS PILATE crucified at least 20,000

Through his mother.

wrong-----your book traces his lineage thru his FATHER ---joseph. Maybe his mother is also of the tribe of Judah-------but did someone try to trace
that lineage?

Read it again, lol. Mary's lineage is provided too.

really? I missed it------she seems to be somehow related to JOHN---
the pharisee who dissed Herod. People at that time did not marry
"in" Ie------that Joseph was of JUDAH does not mean that Mary was
even if they did have other relatives in common.

 

[ding]

I have lots of understanding-----I understand that I asked very
simple questions about that which you posted-----and you are
unable to answer ANY of the very simple questions.

I will repeat just one of the VERY simple questions----
> Who were the Israelite spiritual leaders who wanted
to kill Jesus < ??? try to answer----I am getting
tired of asking this very simple question

Herod?

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

You make it sound like they all were.

you are engaging in wishful thinking-------in fact according to your
religion-------DA JOOOOS HATED JESUS-----which is a kinda idiotic
historic revision. Of course the ROMANS DID-----as did the SADDUCEES and Herod

So you discovered I was correct and now you want to change your story?

 

[BS Filter]

I have lots of understanding-----I understand that I asked very
simple questions about that which you posted-----and you are
unable to answer ANY of the very simple questions.

I will repeat just one of the VERY simple questions----
> Who were the Israelite spiritual leaders who wanted
to kill Jesus < ??? try to answer----I am getting
tired of asking this very simple question

Herod?

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

You make it sound like they all were.

you are engaging in wishful thinking-------in fact according to your
religion-------DA JOOOOS HATED JESUS-----which is a kinda idiotic
historic revision. Of course the ROMANS DID-----as did the SADDUCEES and Herod

The Pharisees hated Jesus.

 

[irosie91]

Oh I am sorry, I thought you had a clue. Your lack of understanding reality is the problem.

I have lots of understanding-----I understand that I asked very
simple questions about that which you posted-----and you are
unable to answer ANY of the very simple questions.

I will repeat just one of the VERY simple questions----
> Who were the Israelite spiritual leaders who wanted
to kill Jesus < ??? try to answer----I am getting
tired of asking this very simple question

Herod?

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

The bible does not say that John the Baptist and Jesus were Pharisees.[/QUOTE

yes It does.------you just MISSED it because you have an UNPREPARED
mind

 

[ding]

Herod the Great - Wikipedia

Herod's father was by descent an Edomite, descendants of Esau, whose ancestors had converted to Judaism. Herod was raised as a Jew.[16][17][18][19][20]

so they say------but he was not OF THE ROYAL LINE----remember---the
KING was supposed to be a descendant OF JUDAH -----the fourth son of Jacob (Israel) JACOB SAID SO ON HIS DEATH BED. As to being raised a jew----yes------but he was not an actual legal successor
to DA THRONE and he was educated in rome-----his religious adherence was in question----LOTS. Mostly da joooos saw him as a roman shill---just as they saw CAIAPHAS as a roman shill and just as they saw the 'money changers' in the Temple court yard as SHILLS of rome. Pharisees hated them and Roman shills hated Pharisees------so now you know. Jesus----as you probably know-----was a descendant of JUDAH---thru his father Joseph. John the Baptist was a descendant of
Judah too. The roman shills did not like the pharisee guys like Jesus and John the Baptist. The people recognized those guys as legal leaders. Todays Christians are of THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE-----
and -----hate Pharisees----------so they converted Jesus into a non-pharisee. It is quite an historic joke. I am not of the tribe of Judah---
but I am a joooo. -------and---sorta----in a way-----likely a descendant of
Phariseees. Romans loved to CRUCIFY phariseeees-----historians
believe that your pal PONTIUS PILATE crucified at least 20,000

Through his mother.

wrong-----your book traces his lineage thru his FATHER ---joseph. Maybe his mother is also of the tribe of Judah-------but did someone try to trace
that lineage?

Read it again, lol. Mary's lineage is provided too.

really? I missed it------she seems to be somehow related to JOHN---
the pharisee who dissed Herod. People at that time did not marry
"in" Ie------that Joseph was of JUDAH does not mean that Mary was
even if they did have other relatives in common.

Read her lineage. She is from the house of David.

 

[irosie91]

Herod?

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

You make it sound like they all were.

you are engaging in wishful thinking-------in fact according to your
religion-------DA JOOOOS HATED JESUS-----which is a kinda idiotic
historic revision. Of course the ROMANS DID-----as did the SADDUCEES and Herod

So you discovered I was correct and now you want to change your story?

where do you imagine you were correct and where do you see a "change" in my "story" ???

 

[irosie91]

so they say------but he was not OF THE ROYAL LINE----remember---the
KING was supposed to be a descendant OF JUDAH -----the fourth son of Jacob (Israel) JACOB SAID SO ON HIS DEATH BED. As to being raised a jew----yes------but he was not an actual legal successor
to DA THRONE and he was educated in rome-----his religious adherence was in question----LOTS. Mostly da joooos saw him as a roman shill---just as they saw CAIAPHAS as a roman shill and just as they saw the 'money changers' in the Temple court yard as SHILLS of rome. Pharisees hated them and Roman shills hated Pharisees------so now you know. Jesus----as you probably know-----was a descendant of JUDAH---thru his father Joseph. John the Baptist was a descendant of
Judah too. The roman shills did not like the pharisee guys like Jesus and John the Baptist. The people recognized those guys as legal leaders. Todays Christians are of THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE-----
and -----hate Pharisees----------so they converted Jesus into a non-pharisee. It is quite an historic joke. I am not of the tribe of Judah---
but I am a joooo. -------and---sorta----in a way-----likely a descendant of
Phariseees. Romans loved to CRUCIFY phariseeees-----historians
believe that your pal PONTIUS PILATE crucified at least 20,000

Through his mother.

wrong-----your book traces his lineage thru his FATHER ---joseph. Maybe his mother is also of the tribe of Judah-------but did someone try to trace
that lineage?

Read it again, lol. Mary's lineage is provided too.

really? I missed it------she seems to be somehow related to JOHN---
the pharisee who dissed Herod. People at that time did not marry
"in" Ie------that Joseph was of JUDAH does not mean that Mary was
even if they did have other relatives in common.

Read her lineage. She is from the house of David.

really-----ok so she was of the tribe of Judah as was Joseph. It is
very notable that the issue is documented in the NT-----the writers DID
know that a KING OF ISRAEL and DA MESSIAH was supposed to be
descended from David according to Isaiah. I do not recall reading that
lineage in the NT. What happened to the DISCARD THEORY? They needed to link Jesus GENETICALLY to David but stopped washing
their hands?

 

[BS Filter]

I have lots of understanding-----I understand that I asked very
simple questions about that which you posted-----and you are
unable to answer ANY of the very simple questions.

I will repeat just one of the VERY simple questions----
> Who were the Israelite spiritual leaders who wanted
to kill Jesus < ??? try to answer----I am getting
tired of asking this very simple question

Herod?

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

The bible does not say that John the Baptist and Jesus were Pharisees.[/QUOTE

yes It does.------you just MISSED it because you have an UNPREPARED
mind

Show me the Scripture.

 

[irosie91]

Herod?

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

You make it sound like they all were.

you are engaging in wishful thinking-------in fact according to your
religion-------DA JOOOOS HATED JESUS-----which is a kinda idiotic
historic revision. Of course the ROMANS DID-----as did the SADDUCEES and Herod

The Pharisees hated Jesus.

Jesus was a Pharisee. If you listened to your sunday school teacher you might even believe that the ROMANS LOVED HIM and he ate pork chops for supper

 

[BS Filter]

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

You make it sound like they all were.

you are engaging in wishful thinking-------in fact according to your
religion-------DA JOOOOS HATED JESUS-----which is a kinda idiotic
historic revision. Of course the ROMANS DID-----as did the SADDUCEES and Herod

The Pharisees hated Jesus.

Jesus was a Pharisee. If you listened to your sunday school teacher you might even believe that the ROMANS LOVED HIM and he ate pork chops for supper

Show me the Scripture.

 

[irosie91]

Herod?

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

The bible does not say that John the Baptist and Jesus were Pharisees.[/QUOTE

yes It does.------you just MISSED it because you have an UNPREPARED
mind

Show me the Scripture.

they were Pharisees by with whom they socialized and with whom they OPPOSED and by what THEY PREACHED AND SAID AND DID. Jesus
was around Pharisees all his life and they "HATED HIM AND WANTED
TO KILL HIM" <<<<what a joke----what was stopping them? the romans
would not care. The Pharisees were INCENSED over the presence of
money changers in the temple courtyard. Jesus just decided to
do the Pharisees a BIG FAVOR. The Pharisees and Caiaphas hated
each other-----so Caiaphas just decided to do the Pharisees a big favor?
Jesus quoted HILLEL the Pharisee Talmudist INCESSANTLY-----because
Pharisees hated him?

 

[irosie91]

btw----it was the Pharisees that the Romans crucified ---wholesale

 

[BS Filter]

Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

The bible does not say that John the Baptist and Jesus were Pharisees.[/QUOTE

yes It does.------you just MISSED it because you have an UNPREPARED
mind

Show me the Scripture.

they were Pharisees by with whom they socialized and with whom they OPPOSED and by what THEY PREACHED AND SAID AND DID. Jesus
was around Pharisees all his life and they "HATED HIM AND WANTED
TO KILL HIM" <<<<what a joke----what was stopping them? the romans
would not care. The Pharisees were INCENSED over the presence of
money changers in the temple courtyard. Jesus just decided to
do the Pharisees a BIG FAVOR. The Pharisees and Caiaphas hated
each other-----so Caiaphas just decided to do the Pharisees a big favor?
Jesus quoted HILLEL the Pharisee Talmudist INCESSANTLY-----because
Pharisees hated him?

You still haven't shown me a Scripture that verifies Jesus and John the Baptist were Pharisees .

 

[irosie91]

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

The bible does not say that John the Baptist and Jesus were Pharisees.[/QUOTE

yes It does.------you just MISSED it because you have an UNPREPARED
mind

Show me the Scripture.

they were Pharisees by with whom they socialized and with whom they OPPOSED and by what THEY PREACHED AND SAID AND DID. Jesus
was around Pharisees all his life and they "HATED HIM AND WANTED
TO KILL HIM" <<<<what a joke----what was stopping them? the romans
would not care. The Pharisees were INCENSED over the presence of
money changers in the temple courtyard. Jesus just decided to
do the Pharisees a BIG FAVOR. The Pharisees and Caiaphas hated
each other-----so Caiaphas just decided to do the Pharisees a big favor?
Jesus quoted HILLEL the Pharisee Talmudist INCESSANTLY-----because
Pharisees hated him?

You still haven't shown me a Scripture that verifies Jesus and John the Baptist were Pharisees .

I just did. You seem to want the answer from the book written under the auspices of the EMPEROR OF ROME as a source. Historically--the romans HATED THE PHARISEES ----in fact the emperor whose word
you trust EXPELLED ALL JEWS FROM JERUSALEM, completely disarmed them and wrote the laws upon which the Inquisition was based
and your pal ADOLF LIKED so much that he included them in HIS
NUREMBURG LAWS which legalized genocide. It was CONSTANTINE
that came up with the idea of marking jews with the color yellow----the same guy that commissioned the writing of your "bible" To understand the NT---you have to KNOW something about the times and the people
who wrote it. It was also the Romans who crucified Jesus----and
tens of thousands of other jews-------and had to deal with the PARADOX
of suddenly making the same kind of jew they hated into THEIR
NEW "GoD". If you do KNOW-----you can extract a very credible Jesus
from that mess that Constantine made of the scriptural writings available
to him. The filth perpetuated by the "holy" roman empire had nothing to
do with the person ---Jesus. Jesus on his own is just another jewish
victim of roman perversity

 

[BS Filter]

The bible does not say that John the Baptist and Jesus were Pharisees.[/QUOTE

yes It does.------you just MISSED it because you have an UNPREPARED
mind

Show me the Scripture.

they were Pharisees by with whom they socialized and with whom they OPPOSED and by what THEY PREACHED AND SAID AND DID. Jesus
was around Pharisees all his life and they "HATED HIM AND WANTED
TO KILL HIM" <<<<what a joke----what was stopping them? the romans
would not care. The Pharisees were INCENSED over the presence of
money changers in the temple courtyard. Jesus just decided to
do the Pharisees a BIG FAVOR. The Pharisees and Caiaphas hated
each other-----so Caiaphas just decided to do the Pharisees a big favor?
Jesus quoted HILLEL the Pharisee Talmudist INCESSANTLY-----because
Pharisees hated him?

You still haven't shown me a Scripture that verifies Jesus and John the Baptist were Pharisees .

I just did. You seem to want the answer from the book written under the auspices of the EMPEROR OF ROME as a source. Historically--the romans HATED THE PHARISEES ----in fact the emperor whose word
you trust EXPELLED ALL JEWS FROM JERUSALEM, completely disarmed them and wrote the laws upon which the Inquisition was based
and your pal ADOLF LIKED so much that he included them in HIS
NUREMBURG LAWS which legalized genocide. It was CONSTANTINE
that came up with the idea of marking jews with the color yellow----the same guy that commissioned the writing of your "bible" To understand the NT---you have to KNOW something about the times and the people
who wrote it. It was also the Romans who crucified Jesus----and
tens of thousands of other jews-------and had to deal with the PARADOX
of suddenly making the same kind of jew they hated into THEIR
NEW "GoD". If you do KNOW-----you can extract a very credible Jesus
from that mess that Constantine made of the scriptural writings available
to him. The filth perpetuated by the "holy" roman empire had nothing to
do with the person ---Jesus. Jesus on his own is just another jewish
victim of roman perversity

I want chaper and verse number.

 

[irosie91]

Show me the Scripture.

they were Pharisees by with whom they socialized and with whom they OPPOSED and by what THEY PREACHED AND SAID AND DID. Jesus
was around Pharisees all his life and they "HATED HIM AND WANTED
TO KILL HIM" <<<<what a joke----what was stopping them? the romans
would not care. The Pharisees were INCENSED over the presence of
money changers in the temple courtyard. Jesus just decided to
do the Pharisees a BIG FAVOR. The Pharisees and Caiaphas hated
each other-----so Caiaphas just decided to do the Pharisees a big favor?
Jesus quoted HILLEL the Pharisee Talmudist INCESSANTLY-----because
Pharisees hated him?

You still haven't shown me a Scripture that verifies Jesus and John the Baptist were Pharisees .

I just did. You seem to want the answer from the book written under the auspices of the EMPEROR OF ROME as a source. Historically--the romans HATED THE PHARISEES ----in fact the emperor whose word
you trust EXPELLED ALL JEWS FROM JERUSALEM, completely disarmed them and wrote the laws upon which the Inquisition was based
and your pal ADOLF LIKED so much that he included them in HIS
NUREMBURG LAWS which legalized genocide. It was CONSTANTINE
that came up with the idea of marking jews with the color yellow----the same guy that commissioned the writing of your "bible" To understand the NT---you have to KNOW something about the times and the people
who wrote it. It was also the Romans who crucified Jesus----and
tens of thousands of other jews-------and had to deal with the PARADOX
of suddenly making the same kind of jew they hated into THEIR
NEW "GoD". If you do KNOW-----you can extract a very credible Jesus
from that mess that Constantine made of the scriptural writings available
to him. The filth perpetuated by the "holy" roman empire had nothing to
do with the person ---Jesus. Jesus on his own is just another jewish
victim of roman perversity

I want chaper and verse number.

I don't do chapter and verse--------too much effort I read the book
just as I read WUTHERING HEIGHTS. I learned the facts of the
TIME AND PLACE and evaluated the writings of the NT accordingly.
You want to believe the standard Holy roman empire---first and second
and third ---INTERPRETATION----fine with me. Have fun at your
next lion lunch spectacle.

 

[BS Filter]

Show me the Scripture.

they were Pharisees by with whom they socialized and with whom they OPPOSED and by what THEY PREACHED AND SAID AND DID. Jesus
was around Pharisees all his life and they "HATED HIM AND WANTED
TO KILL HIM" <<<<what a joke----what was stopping them? the romans
would not care. The Pharisees were INCENSED over the presence of
money changers in the temple courtyard. Jesus just decided to
do the Pharisees a BIG FAVOR. The Pharisees and Caiaphas hated
each other-----so Caiaphas just decided to do the Pharisees a big favor?
Jesus quoted HILLEL the Pharisee Talmudist INCESSANTLY-----because
Pharisees hated him?

You still haven't shown me a Scripture that verifies Jesus and John the Baptist were Pharisees .

I just did. You seem to want the answer from the book written under the auspices of the EMPEROR OF ROME as a source. Historically--the romans HATED THE PHARISEES ----in fact the emperor whose word
you trust EXPELLED ALL JEWS FROM JERUSALEM, completely disarmed them and wrote the laws upon which the Inquisition was based
and your pal ADOLF LIKED so much that he included them in HIS
NUREMBURG LAWS which legalized genocide. It was CONSTANTINE
that came up with the idea of marking jews with the color yellow----the same guy that commissioned the writing of your "bible" To understand the NT---you have to KNOW something about the times and the people
who wrote it. It was also the Romans who crucified Jesus----and
tens of thousands of other jews-------and had to deal with the PARADOX
of suddenly making the same kind of jew they hated into THEIR
NEW "GoD". If you do KNOW-----you can extract a very credible Jesus
from that mess that Constantine made of the scriptural writings available
to him. The filth perpetuated by the "holy" roman empire had nothing to
do with the person ---Jesus. Jesus on his own is just another jewish
victim of roman perversity

I want chaper and verse number.

I don't do chapter and verse--------too much effort I read the book
just as I read WUTHERING HEIGHTS. I learned the facts of the
TIME AND PLACE and evaluated the writings of the NT accordingly.
You want to believe the standard Holy roman empire---first and second
and third ---INTERPRETATION----fine with me. Have fun at your
next lion lunch spectacle.

If you can't give me the Scripture, then you're full of crap.

 

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Herod was not Israelite. John the baptizer condemned Herod and his brothers wife to their face for being adulterers. Herod was king, put in place by the romans.

well -----you got that one right-----John was a PHARISEE like Jesus----
the people that the ROMAN SHILLS like Herod disliked. The roman shills
liked the sadducees a LOT BETTER because the romans liked them and
they did not resist the filth of the "holy roman empire". For the record---
the sadducees WERE Israelites--------but traitors sorta

The bible does not say that John the Baptist and Jesus were Pharisees.[/QUOTE

yes It does.------you just MISSED it because you have an UNPREPARED
mind

Show me the Scripture.

they were Pharisees by with whom they socialized and with whom they OPPOSED and by what THEY PREACHED AND SAID AND DID. Jesus
was around Pharisees all his life and they "HATED HIM AND WANTED
TO KILL HIM" <<<<what a joke----what was stopping them? the romans
would not care. The Pharisees were INCENSED over the presence of
money changers in the temple courtyard. Jesus just decided to
do the Pharisees a BIG FAVOR. The Pharisees and Caiaphas hated
each other-----so Caiaphas just decided to do the Pharisees a big favor?
Jesus quoted HILLEL the Pharisee Talmudist INCESSANTLY-----because
Pharisees hated him?

I see you read a book.

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Pharisee-New-Look-Jewishness/dp/1592443133&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

 

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Caiaphas - Wikipedia