toobfreak
Tungsten/Glass Member
Everything you said is 100% true. However, you missed the point entirely.
Interesting. I can be 100% right and wrong at the same time. That should be good for some sort of prize.
No one is being arrested for their thoughts, feelings or desires.
Sure they are.
When a person acts on their hatred for a GROUP or CLASS of people based solely on their being "different" in some way--whether it is color, religion, sexual orientation--it should be dealt with even more severely than a regular crime of "passion." That is because that kind of hatred should not be tolerated in our society.
Nyet. You just don't get it. You don't have any control over your thoughts, feelings or passions. You do not decide to be an atheist or a priest--- you BECOME one. You do not decide to dislike a person, they just rub you the wrong way. You do not decide to take up a love of a hobby, you DEVELOP a passion for it. Our feelings rule us, we do not rule them. At best you can try to either develop them (if desirable) or suppress them (if not desirable).
Freedom of speech--indeed, any individual "right," ends where the other guy's nose begins. Hate groups like the people who congregated this weekend in Charlottesville have a right to say what they will, but imo it is intimidating, hostile and downright disrespectful to the people they hate and therefore I feel it COULD be stopped from being publicly discussed.
You contradict yourself. You should reexamine your thinking. First you say they have a "right" to their rally, then you say if others don't like or agree with it, they have no right. I thought you were better than this. If I find a speech intimidating, hostile or disrespectful, I HAVE A RIGHT TO LEAVE AND STOP LISTENING!
What about those who found the Black Lives Matter rallies intimidating, hostile and downright disrespectful? According to you: THEY SHOULD BE STOPPED!
What about those who find a lecture on civil rights and justice in society intimidating, hostile and downright disrespectful? THEY SHOULD BE STOPPED!
What happens when the government doesn't like what you think or say? They should just stop you?
FLUSH goes everything the Founders worked for.
Hate crimes and hate groups are the enemy of civilized society. Call me what you will for not agreeing to tolerate these people but you will not be able to convince me that what comes out of their mouths or is harbored in their hearts is in any way American or civilized. Give them an extra five years if they act on that hatred for no reason except the other person is gay or black or Jewish.
It is only hate if you disagree with it. I see many things defended by the DOJ and ACLU as a hate group. You cannot be free if you are not free to hate. But you don't have a crime happen unless you ACT on a feeling. You cannot convict a person on what they MIGHT do. There must be action, THEN you have a crime. You can deny them a permit to congregate, or limit their congregation to certain areas, but they have the same rights as YOU DO. Otherwise YOU ARE CREATING A FASCIST STATE, picking who has more freedom and who has less based on your approval, a WORSE crime than what you are trying to prevent!
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