What My Fellow Liberals Don't Get About Venezuela

[impuretrash]

If there's anything I've learned from playing civilization video games is that it's usually a bad sign when troops from a powerful adversary start appearing in nearby countries

 

[Tehon]

If there's anything I've learned from playing civilization video games is that it's usually a bad sign when troops from a powerful adversary start appearing in nearby countries

Russians have been living those games their entire lives.

Maybe Americans will learn to empathize.

 

[impuretrash]

If there's anything I've learned from playing civilization video games is that it's usually a bad sign when troops from a powerful adversary start appearing in nearby countries

Russians have been living those games their entire lives.

Maybe Americans will learn to empathize.

I'm all for turning a blind eye to what goes on in south american dictatorships as long as their refugee scum don't exploit US asylum laws.

 

[Tehon]

If there's anything I've learned from playing civilization video games is that it's usually a bad sign when troops from a powerful adversary start appearing in nearby countries

Russians have been living those games their entire lives.

Maybe Americans will learn to empathize.

I'm all for turning a blind eye to what goes on in south american dictatorships as long as their refugee scum don't exploit US asylum laws.

There is a lot of room to operate between turning a blind eye and orchestrating a coup.

 

[impuretrash]

If there's anything I've learned from playing civilization video games is that it's usually a bad sign when troops from a powerful adversary start appearing in nearby countries

Russians have been living those games their entire lives.

Maybe Americans will learn to empathize.

I'm all for turning a blind eye to what goes on in south american dictatorships as long as their refugee scum don't exploit US asylum laws.

There is a lot of room to operate between turning a blind eye and orchestrating a coup.

We could prop them up with aid, dismantle and replace their system or totally ignore them and protect ourselves. don't see any other real alternatives.

 

[Oldstyle]

Would you admit that the Democratic platform is veering to the left rather dramatically right now? Would it be an exaggeration to see this as a moment that could be a turning point in US political history? The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is demanding things that have moderate Democrats running for the hills. So who wins that battle?

What I have been trying to say, everyone is underestimating AOC and her fellow leftist. Making memes, laughing at the ghastly ignorant statements and claims is indeed easy to do - but they forget that millennials are also voters. And too many of them are leftist...course they really have absolutely no idea what that really is...but enough to vote for them.

Well of course they're liberals, Iam. How could they not be? They've been bombarded with a liberally slanted message by their teachers in the public schools...through their professors at college...by the late night comedians...and by the main stream media! It's not an easy thing to be a young conservative these days.

 

[Oldstyle]

What YOU don't get about liberals!

We do NOT want to be like VENEZUELA!

YOU are the (%&%?$#%^&) who keep TELLING US that WE WANT TO BE LIKE VENEZUELA!

We keep telling you; "no no! not venezuela! FINLAND, NORWAY, SWEDEN!"

Can we talk about Finland and Norway?

I don't mean to offend but I'd like to know what the fuk is wrong with the brain of a person who keeps claiming "liberals want to be like venezuela" when we keep telling you we don't!

I thought the Venezuelan in the OP was talking about the anti-American left IN HER OWN COUNTRY. Obviously, at least from what I've seen here, the left doesn't support that Maduro government at all. That's probably because the left in this country isn't actually socialist/communist as we are always being blamed.

I'm pretty sure the post before yours was from a liberal that was calling for the US to become a Socialist country like Finland, Norway and Sweden, Old Lady! I'm also pretty sure that the majority of liberals here would like to see a government run healthcare system as well as a "living wage"! My point is that you don't want to be CALLED Socialists and yet you'd like to see a socialistic agenda passed!

Not seeing Items 1 or 2 above. We have a "mixed" system that includes socialist programs to benefit the poor but we are still a capitalist nation. Maybe a mixture is the best solution, since either system in its pure form is open to great abuses.
Just note that what one poster here advocates does not automatically make it part of the Democratic platform.

Would you admit that the Democratic platform is veering to the left rather dramatically right now? Would it be an exaggeration to see this as a moment that could be a turning point in US political history? The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is demanding things that have moderate Democrats running for the hills. So who wins that battle?

Most people have sense. There are a lot more "moderates," left and right, than there are extremists.

Who would you consider a "moderate" Democratic politician these days? You've got established Democrats like Joe Crowley getting ousted by complete unknowns like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez because he wasn't liberal enough.

I agree with you that most people have common sense by the way...it's why I think what's happening with the Democratic Party is going to come back to bite them in the ass. Americans are not as liberal as Democrats and the main stream media seem to think they are!

 

[Bleipriester]

Excellent piece by a Venezuelan liberal saying how clueless the knee-jerk anti-Americans are about Venezuela.

Opinion | What My Fellow Liberals Don’t Get About Venezuela

In the video, because of two decades of Chavez and Maduro rule, she says

• There is total chaos in Venezuela - hunger, lack of medicines and power black-outs
• Liberals are promoting and glorifying a brutal dictator
• Inflation is at 2,690,000%. Venezuelan money is so worthless, people are literally making origami out of it.
  
• Malnutrition and lack of medicine has caused life expectancy to decline by 3 to 5 years.
  
• 3,000,000 million have fled the country causing a Syria-level refugee crisis
  
• Things have gotten so bad that kidnappers have stopped kidnapping because people can't pay ransoms
• The Left blame American sanctions for economic collapse. But the economy collapsed in 2016, before sanctions against Venezuelan oil companies were imposed.
• The only sanctions at that time were travel-bans and frozen bank accounts of individuals who were connected to the government and had stolen billions of dollars.
• Leftists who think the country is doing fine are on another planet
• American sanctions are to restore Venezuelan democracy.
  
• Fifty-one countries recently recognized the opposition leader, Juan Guaido as the interim President after the Maduro government fraudulently stored the last election
• Guaido is not a conservative. He is a social democrat.
• If there's one value liberal America appreciates, it's human rights. So liberals have to stop their moral relativism regarding Venezuela.
• American liberals should support humanitarian aid and efforts to restore democracy in Venezuela.

The nazi collaborator calls himself a social democrat but he is allied with the radical right and the feudal thinking upper class. He´s a piece of shit and this point is representative for all your others regarding the truth quota.

 

[Bleipriester]

Wow, what a paradise!