Zone1 What might Paul have thought was lacking in Christ's sufferings?

[Meriweather]

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church. (Colossians 1:24)

Do we know, or can we surmise, what Paul felt was lacking in the afflictions of Christ?

 

[BULLDOG]

Interesting. I'm still trying to figure out how Paul's teaching superseded Jusus. He contradicts Jesus often.

 

[Meriweather]

Interesting. I'm still trying to figure out how Paul's teaching superseded Jusus. He contradicts Jesus often.

Where do you see Paul contradicting Jesus?

 

[BULLDOG]

Where do you see Paul contradicting Jesus?

Not gonna type it all out again. Start with these, and I'll give you another list later.

Paul vs. Jesus: 25 Contradictory and Incompatible Statements - Biblical NON-Orthodoxy

Paul vs. Jesus: 25 Contradictory and Incompatible Statements. My hope is that this list will motivate you to remove the blindfold to see the Good Shepherd as he is.

nonorthodoxy.com

 

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Not gonna type it all out again.

Thumbnail it.

 

[Ace Nova]

Where do you see Paul contradicting Jesus?

Paul was the equivalent of an Apostle with a little too much energy.

God blessed him because his nature would spread the word to a multitude of people.

Unfortunately - there may have been a "whisper down the lane" scenario with some of Paul's teachings.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church. (Colossians 1:24)

Do we know, or can we surmise, what Paul felt was lacking in the afflictions of Christ?

That is an excellent question. If you read on, the answer is revealed. Paul didn't mean that Christ was lacking, but that Christ never addressed His church as a church membership, because Jesus wasn't able to. He didn't have a church when He died. His churches were left to the disciples to establish. Paul was addressing the church as a whole body, an entity, telling them as a unique group about Jesus.

who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you

 

[Meriweather]

Not gonna type it all out again. Start with these, and I'll give you another list later.

I am not after a cut and paste list of what others think. I am asking you what contradiction immediately comes to your mind. There are parts of your cut and paste where I can find a verse that would make it seem that Jesus is also contradicting himself...or that Paul is contradicting himself. If you have no interest in a discussion, no problem. I have no interest in cut and pastes.

 

[Meriweather]

That is an excellent question. If you read on, the answer is revealed.

Yes. What is revealed is there is still work to be done.

 

[BULLDOG]

I am not after a cut and paste list of what others think. I am asking you what contradiction immediately comes to your mind. There are parts of your cut and paste where I can find a verse that would make it seem that Jesus is also contradicting himself...or that Paul is contradicting himself. If you have no interest in a discussion, no problem. I have no interest in cut and pastes.

OK. I'm not clear on why you prefer that I type out what can easily be found elsewhere, but it doesn't matter. The facts are the same either way. You're not worth all that effort.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm not clear on why you prefer that I type out what can easily be found elsewhere

Exactly. I have found those elsewhere. Easily. So why would I come to a discussion forum and ask someone to copy and paste them into this thread? I could have done that all by my lonesome into my own word document. What I can't do in my own document is have a discussion on a particular point(s). So, whether you cut or paste or re-type that cut and paste is the same difference. You still don't want to discuss a particular point, so why waste your time--or mine--with a cut and paste? If I (or the thread topic) is not worth the effort of a discussion, why enter the thread at all?

Think about it. Is your purpose of entering any discussion thread to find a long cut and paste and be done? Can't you speak for yourself? If the topic holds no discussion interest for you, why, indeed, waste time in this one. Find a thread that interests you.

 

[Blackrook]

I'm very sure Paul did not ever claim Christ's suffering was not sufficient to save mankind from our sins.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm very sure Paul did not ever claim Christ's suffering was not sufficient to save mankind from our sins.

In this passage, Paul's focus does not seem to be on individual salvation or individual forgiveness of sins. His focus is on Church or Assembly--i.e., the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ is those past, present, future, who are followers of Christ. Paul seems to be saying this is something that could not be accomplished by Christ's suffering on the cross, that his Body must come down off the cross and continue his work of salvation.

Remember, the world has been redeemed. We know repentance for the forgiveness of sins. We know Christ was the final sacrifice and his blood shed for the New Covenant of Redemption and Forgiveness of sins. The way of salvation has been opened to all. There is a new way of living--perhaps the most accurate description is Kingdom Living rather than Worldly Living.

Is being broad-minded about divorce, abortion, homosexuality, transgender operations on children and teens, divorce, "toxic" masculinity, cancel culture, etc. Worldly Living or is it Kingdom Living? To me, all this is more worldly living than it is kingdom living. Shouldn't the Body of Christ, Christ's Assembly shine an equally, if not greater, light on Kingdom Living? What can be done about this?