What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?

[Rigby5]

How long has the Constitution been around VS Man, Dumbass?

Why do you think the Constitution determines when life begins?

Because the 14th amendment prevents when life begins from being arbitrarily established by a religious state legislature.
That means it defaults back to an individual decision.

The reality is that all women have thousands of ovum, and almost all of them will die.
If a woman decides to kill one early on so that she can choose to let one live later on, that has to be her choice and her's alone.
The sum total of dead ovum is the same, regardless of when a woman decides to give birth.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The fact that the U.K. had mass public shootings before their ban, and then after they banned guns, they still had mass public shootings....which goes to the question of whether or not Britain's gun bans and confiscation stopped mass public shootings.....

Came online this afternoon and the number of mouth frothing alerts from gun nuts is immense.

Mass shootings, where an incident results in X amount of deaths, will always happen. What you need to understand is, in the likes of the UK, New Zealand, Australia etc.. these are now a rare event due to legislation, regulations etc.. It still doesn't stop a licenced shotgun owner going off the rails, but strong background checks reduces incidents massively.

So when you hear of a mass shooting in the US, it's every year and more than once in a year In the UK, NZ and Aus, it's every so many decades.

That alone demonstrates how a country can still allow the ownership and use of guns, but create a safer mentality and lower incidents. You guys need to get your gun mentality sorted because you all come across as gun nuts.

 

[Failzero]

But I disagree there is any correlation at all "between the gun control laws of those 'other countries' and their lower rates of mass shootings".

The reason most countries have much happier people who commit fewer crimes, is because they have better health care, educational opportunities, job opportunities, housing access, etc. They do not have as many unfair taxes that go to fund illegal foreign wars.
So there is absolutely no functional correlation between restrictive gun laws and gun murders.

The claim other countries have stronger gun control laws is just a myth and wrong.
In almost any other country, almost anyone can easily get and own a gun legally.
The fact you have to register, join a gun club, or have some reasonable need, is irrelevant.
The fact is it is not at all hard to do.
The hardest in the world is Japan, and it is still not that hard.
{...
These steps include:

• Written test, only offered on certain dates.
• Psychiatric evaulation.
• Drug test.
• Criminal background check.
• Gun skills competency test.

...}
There are over 1 million private guns in Japan.
They can be for security, or just for a collector.

There are more Firearms in Private ( Non / Military / Non LEO ) hands in Anchorage Alaska than in ALL OF CHINA .

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

It is wrong to try to compromise with someone who wants to disarm the entire population except for the mercenaries of the wealthy elite, like police and military.
That is not just suicidal, but incredibly irresponsible because it ensure a long lasting dictatorship imposes on our descendants, perhaps forever.

Apparently all that you can manage to do is to blurt out right wing talking points that conform to the party line. Try thinking about what you say.

 

[2aguy]

Came online this afternoon and the number of mouth frothing alerts from gun nuts is immense.

Mass shootings, where an incident results in X amount of deaths, will always happen. What you need to understand is, in the likes of the UK, New Zealand, Australia etc.. these are now a rare event due to legislation, regulations etc.. It still doesn't stop a licenced shotgun owner going off the rails, but strong background checks reduces incidents massively.

So when you hear of a mass shooting in the US, it's every year and more than once in a year In the UK, NZ and Aus, it's every so many decades.

That alone demonstrates how a country can still allow the ownership and use of guns, but create a safer mentality and lower incidents. You guys need to get your gun mentality sorted because you all come across as gun nuts.

What you don't understand because you don't study the issue, you just spew B.S. because you hate guns.....

Britain averaged a mass public shooting once every 10 years......before they banned guns.......then, after they banned guns, mass public shootings still happened about once every 10 years..

Since they happened at that rate before you banned guns, access to guns did not create mass shooters....

Since they happen at the same rate after you banned guns, gun bans and confiscation didn't stop them...

You dolt.

Australia?

they have had about a dozen shootings that were almost mass public shootings...after the ban and confiscation.....

What kept them from being actual mass public shootings?

The killer simply missed.....the killers had a gun, walked into public spaces and shot people....the killers just failed to hit and kill 3 or more people....Australian gun control laws didn't stop them.....

A list......all after Australia banned and confiscated guns...

Man shot near children’s tutoring centre

A man has been taken to hospital following a shooting in Melbourne’s north-west.

The man, aged in his 30s, was found with gun shot wounds to his upper body in Stention Road, Kealba around 3.15pm.

Police discovered the seriously injured man outside a tutoring centre, where dozens of children were attending weekend classes.
==========
6/5/17


‘Terror’ gunman was on parole

POLICE are investigating possible terror links to a siege in which officers gunned down one man and found another dead in Melbourne’s southeast.

A senior law enforcement figure said the gunman was on parole for a criminal offence and rated as a low-risk figure of interest to counter-terror authorities.

The Herald Sun has revealed the gunman was Yacqub Khayre, a Somali refugee who was known to counter-terrorism police.

Police shot and killed Khayre, a second man was found dead in the foyer of an apartment building in Brighton and three cops sustained gunshot wounds in the bloody hostage drama.

A male caller to the Channel 7 newsroom in Melbourne said: “This is for IS” and “this is for Al-Qaeda.” The station said a woman could be heard screaming in the background.

A Victoria Police statement confirmed police are investigating whether the incident is terrorism related.

===========

March 2016....


Number of shootings in Melbourne area continues to rise

Three people will appear in court in Geelong after shots were fired between two moving cars on Thursday night, as the problem with gun-related violence in the Melbourne area continues to escalate.

The shooting at Geelong and another separate incident at Frankston brings to 10 the number of shootings in the Melbourne and Geelong areas since February 2.

Three people were arrested after shots were fired between two moving cars just before 6:30pm at Norlane.
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4/28/16 gang shooting in Perth


No Cookies | Perth Now

tensions had since risen between the Rebels and the Coffin Cheaters, he said.


“That’s something that I cannot elaborate on further at this time,” Det Insp Fyfe said.

“We know both gangs were there.

“The offender or offenders, I do not believe they are a threat to the community in general.”

He said police were yet to identify a suspect, but were speaking with the two surviving victims.

Det Insp Fyfe said at least eight shots were fired from two different types of guns, one of which was a semi-automatic, and one bullet went through a car in the street, so it was fortunate no innocent bystanders were hurt.

4/28/16 port arthur shooting with assault rifle..

Man found shot in Port Arthur

Port Arthur Police are investigating a shooting at Dewalt and W. 14th Street. Police got the call at about 10:45 p.m. Thursday. When they arrived on the scene they found a 29-year-old man laying outside a car that was riddled with bullets. The man had a gunshot wound to the leg and was taken to Christus Southeast Texas St. Elizabeth in Beaumont. His injuries are not life-threatening.

Police say they believe the gun used was some sort of an assault rifle. There is no word on any suspects at this time.

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4/29/16....

'This isn't a random shooting': Man targeted in Sydney killing

A gunman is at large after a "targeted" shooting in Sydney's south-west that has left one man dead and two other people injured.

---------------------
Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
• 
  
  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• 
  
  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 
  
  • 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[131]
• 
  
  • 10 September 2015 – Karin Lock was shot dead in a McDonald's restaurant in the Gold Coast by her ex-husband Stephen Lock, who then turned the gun on himself and shot himself dead.[140][141][142]
• 
  
  • 7 March 2016 - Finks bikie gang member Wayne Williams armed himself with an AK 47 rifle and shot and killed Michael Bassal and shot and wounded his brothers Terry Bassal and Mark Bassal outside an industrial building in the suburb of Ingleburn Sydney. Williams then barricaded himself inside the building and took three hostages, resulting in a siege and stand off with police. He later released the three hostages and shot himself dead. The shootings were committed as a result of a business deal gone wrong.[citation needed]

• 29 April 2016 - A gunman opened fire inside the Centro shopping centre in Bankstown, Sydney. He shot and killed convicted criminal Walid Ahmad, shot and wounded a man who was with Ahmad, and also wounded a woman who was an innocent bystander. The shooting was targeted and was committed as a result of an ongoing feud between two rival Middle Eastern organised crime gangs.[144]

• 7 June 2017 - 2017 Brighton siege. Somali immigrant Yacqub Khayre took a female prostitute hostage in a serviced apartment complex in the suburb of Brighton in Melbourne and then shot dead the complex clerk Nick Hao. He enticed police to the complex and made references to Islamic terrorist groups before dying in a shoot-out with police with three police officers wounded.[153]

 

[2aguy]

Came online this afternoon and the number of mouth frothing alerts from gun nuts is immense.

Mass shootings, where an incident results in X amount of deaths, will always happen. What you need to understand is, in the likes of the UK, New Zealand, Australia etc.. these are now a rare event due to legislation, regulations etc.. It still doesn't stop a licenced shotgun owner going off the rails, but strong background checks reduces incidents massively.

So when you hear of a mass shooting in the US, it's every year and more than once in a year In the UK, NZ and Aus, it's every so many decades.

That alone demonstrates how a country can still allow the ownership and use of guns, but create a safer mentality and lower incidents. You guys need to get your gun mentality sorted because you all come across as gun nuts.

Also....

So far, this year, 2022......out of over 330 million AMericans... 2 have committed mass public shootings......

In 2021 we had 6 people commit mass public shootings.....

Do you understand how small that number actually is?

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings and mass public shootings.....

 

[2aguy]

Came online this afternoon and the number of mouth frothing alerts from gun nuts is immense.

Mass shootings, where an incident results in X amount of deaths, will always happen. What you need to understand is, in the likes of the UK, New Zealand, Australia etc.. these are now a rare event due to legislation, regulations etc.. It still doesn't stop a licenced shotgun owner going off the rails, but strong background checks reduces incidents massively.

So when you hear of a mass shooting in the US, it's every year and more than once in a year In the UK, NZ and Aus, it's every so many decades.

That alone demonstrates how a country can still allow the ownership and use of guns, but create a safer mentality and lower incidents. You guys need to get your gun mentality sorted because you all come across as gun nuts.

The most recent mass public shooting in Australia, on top of the other attempted mass public shootings...

At least four people were killed in the city of Darwin and several injured when a gunman opened fire with a pump-action shotgun late Tuesday night in several different locations, police said. A suspect was apprehended soon afterward, and has been identified as 45-year-old local Ben Hoffmann, according to CNN affiliate 9 News. Hoffmann was on parole at the time of the killings.

Australia reels from worst rampage killing in decades for a country thought to have solved this issue | CNN

On the long, bloody list of US gun violence, it would barely be a blip, but the killing of four people in northern Australia has caused shock in the country most often held up worldwide as an example of effective gun control.

www.cnn.com

And, you dipstick...........a killer in Kerch, Russia murdered 20 people and injured 70 with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun...so again, the only reason Australia hasn't had more mass public shootings is the nuts in Australia haven't chosen to commit them....

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The discussion is about when life begins, and you brought up the Constitution and when someone is considered a citizen, Dumbas

Actually another dumbass Trump voter brought up the constitution erroneously claiming claiming let the constitutional rights applies to fertilized zygotes during the early stages of pregnancy. So I pointed out correctly that he was wrong. As a dumb ass Trump voter are you going to argue that the other dumb ass Trump voters correct? You admit it you’re incapable of reading more than one sentence of at a time. That’s a problem for you not me. You’re not truly engaged in a serious discussion.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The discussion is about when life begins, and you brought up the Constitution and when someone is considered a citizen, Dumbas

Actually another one of Your dumbass Trump voters brought up the constitution erroneously claiming claiming that constitutional rights applies to fertilized zygotes during the early stages of pregnancy. So I pointed out correctly that he was wrong. As a dumb ass Trump voter are you going to argue that the other dumb ass Trump voters correct? You admit you’re incapable of reading more than one sentence of at a time. That’s a problem for you not me. You’re not truly engaged in a serious discussion.

 

[2aguy]

Actually another dumbass Trump voter brought up the constitution e


erroneously claiming claiming let the constitutional rights applies to fertilized zygotes during the early stages of pregnancy. So I pointed out correctly that he was wrong. As a dumb ass Trump voter are you going to argue that the other dumb ass Trump voters correct? You admit it you’re incapable of reading more than one sentence of at a time. That’s a problem for you not me. You’re not truly engaged in a serious discussion.

You aren't responding to me, you dumb ass.........I was schooling captain idiot on mass public shootings.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You aren't responding to me, you dumb ass.........I was schooling captain idiot on mass public shootings.

I actually inserted your quote on a post that I hadn’t posted yet. Dumb ass relax

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The 2nd amendment, like the entire rest of the Bill of Rights, was only intended to prevent federal jurisdiction.
Sure there ARE individual rights, but the Founders were just trying to start to create a country at all, by getting the states to sign on. So they were totally unwilling to risk all that by making states wary of them being over ruled by federal protection of individual rights.
For example, if the Bill of Rights had ended slavery, then likely the US would never have existed.
The South would have not signed on, they would have sided with the British in the war of 1812, and we would have lost.

No dude that is incorrect.
The constitution tells the government what it has the authority to do.
The bill of rights are there telling the federal government what rights are to be protected by the federal government against any infringement of those rights at a state level and federal level. The constitution is a binding document. You make it sound as if the founders did not mean for it to be binding.

 

[jc456]

You really are an idiot.

vote for me and I'll give you free.

 

[jc456]

Do you think that's an actual concern for someone planning a mass shooting? Seriously?

he could have killed as many with an automobile.

 

[jc456]

That isn't the conservative meme, that's what democrats tell us every time a high profile shooting occurs and they want to restrict our 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendment rights as a solution.

correct they wish to implement the opposite of what is needed. Anyone in that store had a gun could have taken that punk out.

 

[Nostra]

Because the 14th amendment prevents when life begins from being arbitrarily established by a religious state legislature.
That means it defaults back to an individual decision.

The reality is that all women have thousands of ovum, and almost all of them will die.
If a woman decides to kill one early on so that she can choose to let one live later on, that has to be her choice and her's alone.
The sum total of dead ovum is the same, regardless of when a woman decides to give birth.

Quote where the 14th Amendment says what you claim.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It’s the proliferation of firearms with less regulation and more human killing firepower that is the problem

This is a lie.

 

[Captain Caveman]

What you don't understand because you don't study the issue, you just spew B.S. because you hate guns.....

Britain averaged a mass public shooting once every 10 years......before they banned guns.......then, after they banned guns, mass public shootings still happened about once every 10 years..

Since they happened at that rate before you banned guns, access to guns did not create mass shooters....

Since they happen at the same rate after you banned guns, gun bans and confiscation didn't stop them...

You dolt.

Australia?

they have had about a dozen shootings that were almost mass public shootings...after the ban and confiscation.....

What kept them from being actual mass public shootings?

The killer simply missed.....the killers had a gun, walked into public spaces and shot people....the killers just failed to hit and kill 3 or more people....Australian gun control laws didn't stop them.....

A list......all after Australia banned and confiscated guns...

Man shot near children’s tutoring centre

A man has been taken to hospital following a shooting in Melbourne’s north-west.

The man, aged in his 30s, was found with gun shot wounds to his upper body in Stention Road, Kealba around 3.15pm.

Police discovered the seriously injured man outside a tutoring centre, where dozens of children were attending weekend classes.
==========
6/5/17


‘Terror’ gunman was on parole

POLICE are investigating possible terror links to a siege in which officers gunned down one man and found another dead in Melbourne’s southeast.

A senior law enforcement figure said the gunman was on parole for a criminal offence and rated as a low-risk figure of interest to counter-terror authorities.

The Herald Sun has revealed the gunman was Yacqub Khayre, a Somali refugee who was known to counter-terrorism police.

Police shot and killed Khayre, a second man was found dead in the foyer of an apartment building in Brighton and three cops sustained gunshot wounds in the bloody hostage drama.

A male caller to the Channel 7 newsroom in Melbourne said: “This is for IS” and “this is for Al-Qaeda.” The station said a woman could be heard screaming in the background.

A Victoria Police statement confirmed police are investigating whether the incident is terrorism related.

===========

March 2016....


Number of shootings in Melbourne area continues to rise

Three people will appear in court in Geelong after shots were fired between two moving cars on Thursday night, as the problem with gun-related violence in the Melbourne area continues to escalate.

The shooting at Geelong and another separate incident at Frankston brings to 10 the number of shootings in the Melbourne and Geelong areas since February 2.

Three people were arrested after shots were fired between two moving cars just before 6:30pm at Norlane.
--------

4/28/16 gang shooting in Perth


No Cookies | Perth Now

tensions had since risen between the Rebels and the Coffin Cheaters, he said.


“That’s something that I cannot elaborate on further at this time,” Det Insp Fyfe said.

“We know both gangs were there.

“The offender or offenders, I do not believe they are a threat to the community in general.”

He said police were yet to identify a suspect, but were speaking with the two surviving victims.

Det Insp Fyfe said at least eight shots were fired from two different types of guns, one of which was a semi-automatic, and one bullet went through a car in the street, so it was fortunate no innocent bystanders were hurt.

4/28/16 port arthur shooting with assault rifle..

Man found shot in Port Arthur

Port Arthur Police are investigating a shooting at Dewalt and W. 14th Street. Police got the call at about 10:45 p.m. Thursday. When they arrived on the scene they found a 29-year-old man laying outside a car that was riddled with bullets. The man had a gunshot wound to the leg and was taken to Christus Southeast Texas St. Elizabeth in Beaumont. His injuries are not life-threatening.

Police say they believe the gun used was some sort of an assault rifle. There is no word on any suspects at this time.

----------------------
4/29/16....

'This isn't a random shooting': Man targeted in Sydney killing

A gunman is at large after a "targeted" shooting in Sydney's south-west that has left one man dead and two other people injured.

---------------------
Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
• 
  
  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• 
  
  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 
  
  • 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[131]
• 
  
  • 10 September 2015 – Karin Lock was shot dead in a McDonald's restaurant in the Gold Coast by her ex-husband Stephen Lock, who then turned the gun on himself and shot himself dead.[140][141][142]
• 
  
  • 7 March 2016 - Finks bikie gang member Wayne Williams armed himself with an AK 47 rifle and shot and killed Michael Bassal and shot and wounded his brothers Terry Bassal and Mark Bassal outside an industrial building in the suburb of Ingleburn Sydney. Williams then barricaded himself inside the building and took three hostages, resulting in a siege and stand off with police. He later released the three hostages and shot himself dead. The shootings were committed as a result of a business deal gone wrong.[citation needed]
• 29 April 2016 - A gunman opened fire inside the Centro shopping centre in Bankstown, Sydney. He shot and killed convicted criminal Walid Ahmad, shot and wounded a man who was with Ahmad, and also wounded a woman who was an innocent bystander. The shooting was targeted and was committed as a result of an ongoing feud between two rival Middle Eastern organised crime gangs.[144]

• 7 June 2017 - 2017 Brighton siege. Somali immigrant Yacqub Khayre took a female prostitute hostage in a serviced apartment complex in the suburb of Brighton in Melbourne and then shot dead the complex clerk Nick Hao. He enticed police to the complex and made references to Islamic terrorist groups before dying in a shoot-out with police with three police officers wounded.[153]

I don't hate guns, I've own guns and I use guns.

And I've just ignored all your copy and paste shite.

Guns to you is what Islam is to a Muslim.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I don't claim it, Harvard does

Did you bother to read your link?
Harvard said:
“Overall, our results show that the United States, which has the most firearms per capita in the world, suffers disproportionately from firearms compared with other high-income countries,”

Harvard claims a correlation between the number of guns and gun violence rates.
You claim the gun laws in the UK, et al. are the reason for the lower rate of gun-related violence in the UK, et al, re: the US.

Even YOU can see these are not the same statements -- and even YOU can see the Harvard statement does nothing to support your position.

So, we're back to...
You, repeatedly, claim the gun laws in the UK are the reason for the lower rate of gun-related violence in the UK, re: the US.
I, repeatedly, challenge to demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in the UK and that lower rate.
You, repeatedly, respond by tucking your tail and running away from that challenge - because you know you cannot demonstrate any such thing.
Thus, I continue to accept your surrender.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What you need to understand is, in the likes of the UK, New Zealand, Australia etc.. these are now a rare event due to legislation, regulations etc.. I

You say this knowing you cannot, in any way, demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those countries and their lower rates of mass shooting.