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What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?

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NY gun laws:
Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia
NY has among the strongest gun laws in the US - indeed, NY has ALL the 'common sense' laws - laws, we are told,. will prevent shootings like this.
Obviously, these laws don't work.
So...
What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?
What makes you believe this?
How do these law(s) not violate the constitution?
 

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Laws have nothing to do with this.

This is ALL on the complete FAILURE of the American public school system AND the COMPLETE FAILURE OF PARENTS to teach their kids manners, etiquette, honesty, reliability, self-worth, understanding, and social skills they need to survive in this world......instead of whoring it up, popping out a kid, and sitting it in front of the goddamned TV and/or video game console for 18 fucking years!!!!
 

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NY gun laws:
Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia
NY has among the strongest gun laws in the US - indeed, NY has ALL the 'common sense' laws - laws, we are told,. will prevent shootings like this.
Obviously, these laws don't work.
So...
What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?
What makes you believe this?
How do these law(s) not violate the constitution?
You need gun laws, then you need decades of cultural change. Anyone who thinks they can create laws, expect results over night and no future incidents, is a retard and has no grip on the subject.

Various English speaking countries are where they are with minimal gun incidents due to decades of gun laws and regulations etc..

The first step in sorting America's gun problem out is ripping up that out of date constitution and drafting a one suitable for the present.
 
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You need gun laws, then you need decades of cultural change.
How do you plan to make -that- happen?
Various English speaking countries are where they are with minimal gun incidents due to decades of gun laws and regulations etc..
I'll ask you to demonstrate the necessary relationship between those laws/regulations and the lower rates of gun violence; you'll fail to present a meaningful response
The first step in sorting America's gun problem out is ripping up that out of date constitution and drafting a one suitable for the present.
Even if this were an appropriate and necessary response...
It takes just 13 states to prevent this; the 13 most likely to do so contain just 7.5% of the US population.
So... won't happen.
 
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Laws have nothing to do with this.

This is ALL on the complete FAILURE of the American public school system AND the COMPLETE FAILURE OF PARENTS to teach their kids manners, etiquette, honesty, reliability, self-worth, understanding, and social skills they need to survive in this world......instead of whoring it up, popping out a kid, and sitting it in front of the goddamned TV and/or video game console for 18 fucking years!!!!
Yup nothing to do with this.
Or this
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or this

No it's this
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NY gun laws:
Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia
NY has among the strongest gun laws in the US - indeed, NY has ALL the 'common sense' laws - laws, we are told,. will prevent shootings like this.
Obviously, these laws don't work.
So...
What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?
What makes you believe this?
How do these law(s) not violate the constitution?
Gun laws wouldn't have stopped this nut kid, but maybe some intervention by mental health professionals would have. We have a mental health crisis and a drug crisis. We do not have a gun crisis.
 

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How do you plan to make that happen?

I'll ask you to demonstrate the necessary relationship between those laws/regulations and the lower rates of gun violence; you'll fail to present a meaningful response

It takes just 12 states to prevent this; the 12 most likely to do so contain just 7.5% of the US population.
So... won't happen.
You introduce regulations and laws, you have government buy back schemes and hand in amnesty events over the decades. You still get to enjoy guns, but you need a cultural change to take that on board.

Countries like the UK, New Zealand, Australia experience low gun incidents due to the regulations and laws. But coupled with this, our culture doesn't froth at the mouth screaming we need guns to shoot the kids outside for being noisy and playing football.

If the Senate doesn't scrap the 2nd Amendment, America will continue to be fucked up with guns.

As in another thread elsewhere, scrap the 2nd Amendment from those born in 2040 onwards. Those born before will have the 2nd, those after won't. As generations die out, you have the gradual reduction in gun nuts.

The right to bear arms was guaranteed in the 1689 Bill of Rights in the UK, in which the new King William of Orange enshrined a series of rights for his subjects - Catholics were famously excluded. Then in 1870, a licence was introduced. So 150 years later, the UK is where it is with gun regs low gun incidents, and a culture who's not greatly bothered with guns.

So UK gun laws being introduce in America and getting America to where the UK is, will take some 150 years. So it doesn't really effect you, yet you seem very passionate it will. It'll filter through over the generations.
 

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No change is possible without a change of the military mindset that is promoting the gun murder.

A military draft could perhaps provide an outlet for people such as this one and many others.

That would have most likely been the answer for this particular instance, and probably the majority. However, even elminating the majority would still leave America still higher on gun murders, and out of proportion to the rest of the world.

I'm hoping this can provide a useful twist to the continuous spamming of the pro-gun fraternity?

This is where I can hoist it up the flagpole to see if anybody salutes it?
 
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Countries like the UK, New Zealand, Australia experience low gun incidents due to the regulations and laws.
Again:
I'll ask you to demonstrate the necessary relationship between those laws/regulations and the lower rates of gun violence; you'll fail to present a meaningful response
But coupled with this, our culture doesn't froth at the mouth screaming we need guns to shoot the kids outside for being noisy and playing footbal
Again:
How do you suggest we make that change happen?
If the Senate doesn't scrap the 2nd Amendment, America will continue to be fucked up with guns.
Even if this were an appropriate and necessary response...
The senate can't scrap anything in the Constitution. It takes an amendment.
That takes 2/3 of Congress and 38 states to agree to the change.
Thus, it takes just 13 states to prevent this; the 13 most likely to do so contain just 7.5% of the US population.
So... won't happen.
 
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No change is possible without a change of the military mindset that is promoting the gun murder.
This is where I ask you to demonstrate your claim to be true; you will respond by tucking tail and running away.
 

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You introduce regulations and laws, you have government buy back schemes and hand in amnesty events over the decades. You still get to enjoy guns, but you need a cultural change to take that on board.

Hey, genius, we already have laws and regulations. They didn't this. Why do you think more laws and regulations will?

Countries like the UK, New Zealand, Australia experience low gun incidents due to the regulations and laws. But coupled with this, our culture doesn't froth at the mouth screaming we need guns to shoot the kids outside for being noisy and playing football.

You can't compare what goes on in the UK or Australia or New Zealand. Hell, we have cities with a higher population that New Zealand...

If the Senate doesn't scrap the 2nd Amendment, America will continue to be fucked up with guns.

What needs to happen is we stop coddling criminals. I'm all for enacting more laws, provided those laws target the criminals and put them in prison for so long they're not ever likely to see the outside of their jail cell again...

As in another thread elsewhere, scrap the 2nd Amendment from those born in 2040 onwards. Those born before will have the 2nd, those after won't. As generations die out, you have the gradual reduction in gun nuts.

Stupid idea...

The right to bear arms was guaranteed in the 1689 Bill of Rights in the UK, in which the new King William of Orange enshrined a series of rights for his subjects - Catholics were famously excluded. Then in 1870, a licence was introduced. So 150 years later, the UK is where it is with gun regs low gun incidents, and a culture who's not greatly bothered with guns.

So UK gun laws being introduce in America and getting America to where the UK is, will take some 150 years. So it doesn't really effect you, yet you seem very passionate it will. It'll filter through over the generations.

Again, our population is five times that of the UK. You can't compare them. Just because something happens in a pokie little country like England doesn't mean it'll work here...
 

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The most notorious school shooting in history at Va. Tech Blacksburg happened because liberal politicians allowed a insane man to purchase firearms despite court ordered psychiatric counseling. The Buffalo shooter was allowed to purchase a firearm in the most restrictive state because NY cared more about the "privacy" of crazy people than the safety of normal people.
 
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Yeah, yeah. Everyone knows it's just magic.
So...
You cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between those laws/regulations and the lower rates of gun violence.
Thanks.
 
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The most notorious school shooting in history at Va. Tech Blacksburg happened because liberal politicians allowed a insane man to purchase firearms despite court ordered psychiatric counseling. The Buffalo shooter was allowed to purchase a firearm in the most restrictive state because NY cared more about the "privacy" of crazy people than the safety of normal people.
The Buffalo shooter was not a prohibited person - nothing he did/said legally disqualified him from buying a gun.
That's why he passed the background check.
 

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Laws have nothing to do with this.

This is ALL on the complete FAILURE of the American public school system AND the COMPLETE FAILURE OF PARENTS to teach their kids manners, etiquette, honesty, reliability, self-worth, understanding, and social skills they need to survive in this world......instead of whoring it up, popping out a kid, and sitting it in front of the goddamned TV and/or video game console for 18 fucking years!!!!
Lawsuits scared school districts into stopping scripture reads, statements about treating people well, and prayers on the morning intercom. I'm glad I went to school back when they did teach responsibility for one's mistakes, and being the best that you could be. Bless those wonderful teachers, K-12. I love every one of my teachers. Well, they put up with me, didn't they? 💗
 

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All that silly ass "common sense" gun control bullshit in the SAFE Act didn't do jackshit, did it?
 

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