What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?

[Big Bend Texas]

AMERICANS HAVE FREEDOM OF AND FROM RELIGION and therefore a woman has a right to privacy regarding pregnancy until such time that she carries a viable human life.

Bullshit, the First Amendment calls for religious neutrality and the main body of The Constitution bars religious tests for office.

When life begins isn't a religious question, it's a scientific question and was answered long ago.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem,

Your solution is more guns with more ammo. THAT IS ABSURD, More heavily Armed civilians with minimal regulation other than “trust us” as right wing terrorism is growing in America - is a problem.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Your solution is more guns with more ammo. THAT IS ABSURD, More heavily Armed civilians with minimal regulation other than “trust us” as right wing terrorism is growing in America - is a problem.

You cannot show a correlation between increased lawful carry and increased violent crime.

The opposite has proven to be true everywhere it is tried.

An armed populace is a strong deterrent to violent crime, always has been.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

the First Amendment calls for religious neutrality

That is what I said - Freedom of and Freedom From Religion which of course bars religious tests (or office holders.etc.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

That is what I said - Freedom of and Freedom From Religion which of course bars religious tests (or office holders.etc.

You have no idea what you're saying, you're a babbling fool.

When life begins is a scientific question, not a religious question and science settled the question long ago.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You cannot show a correlation between increased lawful carry and increased violent crime.

I am not trying to.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I am not trying to.

They what the hell are you babbling about?

law abiding gun owners are not the problem but we can definitely be part of the solution.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

When life begins is a scientific question, not a religious question and science settled the question long ago.

Scientists say the process of human life begins at conception and ends with death. Seems to be a no brained but modern technology lets us see the stages of development. What the scientists can’t tell us is whether the nonviable stages of development should have the same exact rights as the viable human being that is necessary for development. That is a moral choice for which religion can and should provide guidance.

The Catholic Church teaches The beginning is at conception and … "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end.

You have no idea what you're saying, you're a babbling fool.

What is babbling about this?

Americans were given freedom of and freedom from religion which of course bars religious tests (or office holders.etc.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Scientists say the process of human life begins at conception and ends with death. Seems to be a no brained but modern technology lets us see the stages of development. What the scientists can’t tell us is whether the nonviable stages of development should have the same exact rights as the viable human being that is necessary for development. That is a moral choice for which religion can and should provide guidance.

The Catholic Church teaches The beginning is at conception and … "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end.



What is babbling about this?

Americans were given freedom of and freedom from religion which of course bars religious tests (or office holders.etc.

Rights are neither conferred nor protected by science.

I Don't particularly care what the Catholic Church says in the subject.

According to the Organic Law of The United States the right to life is our most basic and fundamental right, all rights extend from that right.

As soon as the fist division is complete we have a new human life.

Upon implantation we have a pregnancy.

The rest is partisan BS.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Americans were given freedom of and freedom from religion which of course bars religious tests (or office holders.etc.

So why do you keep trying to make it a religious argument?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

They what the hell are you babbling about?

It’s the proliferation of firearms with less regulation and more human killing firepower that is the problem being exacerbated by the rise of right wing terrorism and vigilantism which legal gun owners on the right don’t have much quarrel with. When a racist goes off right wing gun owners make up stories ttat victims should be armed kind of making it their own fault for being Demicrats and not teaching 80 years old great grandmas who to handle an AR15 .

 

[Big Bend Texas]

It’s the proliferation of firearms with less regulation and more human killing firepower that is the problem being exacerbated by the rise of right wing terrorism and vigilantism which legal gun owners on the right don’t have much quarrel with. When a racist goes off right wing gun owners make up stories ttat victims should be armed kind of making it their own fault for being Demicrats and not teaching 80 years old great grandmas who to handle an AR15 .

You are completely full of shit.

How many of these similar events have happened in the last ten years and what was the body count?

What has been the body county in Memphis or Chicago over the same period of time?

Rifles are the least used firearms of all other than shotguns in crimes.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

According to the Organic Law of The United States the right to life

….. at birth as I read it. The Constitution does not mention life in the womb.

The mother has a birth certificate and she had a right to privacy including privacy regarding her menstrual cycle. Unless authoritarians like you want the government to regulate what she can flush down the toilet if god’s plan fie every fertilized egg doesn’t make it past stage four on its own.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

….. at birth as I read it. The Constitution does not mention life in the womb.

The mother has a birth certificate and she had a right to privacy including privacy regarding her menstrual cycle. Unless authoritarians like you want the government to regulate what she can flush down the toilet if god’s plan fie every fertilized egg doesn’t make it past stage four on its own.

Not according to anything written in them.

What birth certificate?

There is no right to kill your unborn child absent a clear threat to the life of the mother, in that case it's based in self defense rights.

That you are incapable of differentiating between a natural death and a death caused directly by the hand of another speaks to your intellectual limitations and bankruptcy.

There is no broad, overarching right to privacy, the 4th amendment is very limited and specific.

Why do you insist on making idiotic religious arguments when this is a question of science rather than religion?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You are completely full of shit.

Can you tell me the exact time and location and how many will die when and where the next racist goes off?

Your dwelling on statistics won’t matter one bit to the next dead, wounded and survivors just as they don’t matter in Buffalo. You are a callous soul when you tout stats for an excuse to keep going on with your hobby.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Can you tell me the exact time and location and how many will die when and where the next racist goes off?

Your dwelling on statistics won’t matter one bit to the next dead, wounded and survivors just as they don’t matter in Buffalo. You are a callous soul when you tout stats for an excuse to keep going on with your hobby.

I'm not the one making claims I can't support.

My rights are not subject to statistics nor to your emotionalism and racism.

Nothing we can do can prevent all mass shootings n the future. NY has among the tightest gun laws in the nation and they made no difference in this case did they?

What we can do is attack the real problems like laws that are not fully enforced, DA's and Judges that refuse to do their duty and put these animals away for as long as possible or as in this case, allow the mentally ill to roam this streets with the right to legally purchase firearms in spite of being flagged long before he committed his crime.

Infringing on the rights of the law abiding is certainly not going to stop such events in the future.

We had a ban on sales of new "Assault weapons" for a decade and it proved to have no measurable effect on crime, including mass shootings.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

There is no right to kill your unborn child

Do you fear the word viable.

I’m not advocating killing an unborn ‘child” a zygote is not a child.


YOU MADE A FALSE STATEMENT THAT THE CONSTITUTION Protects the fertilized egg. it does not. AMERICANS BECOME CITIZENS AT BIRTH NOt AT CONCEPTION . DO YIU ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT YOU CAN BE WRONG?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Do you fear the word viable.

I’m not advocating killing an unborn ‘child” a zygote is not a child.


YOU MADE A FALSE STATEMENT THAT THE CONSTITUTION Protects the fertilized egg. it does not. AMERICANS BECOME CITIZENS AT BIRTH NOt AT CONCEPTION . DO YIU ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT YOU CAN BE WRONG?

You're making things up whole cloth. A person in a persistent coma isn't "viable" either but they still enjoy full constitutional protections.

The Organic Laws of the US say nothing about rights being conferred at birth.

It doesn't say, "life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness after you are born a viable full term baby".

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Do you fear the word viable.

I’m not advocating killing an unborn ‘child” a zygote is not a child.


YOU MADE A FALSE STATEMENT THAT THE CONSTITUTION Protects the fertilized egg. it does not. AMERICANS BECOME CITIZENS AT BIRTH NOt AT CONCEPTION . DO YIU ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT YOU CAN BE WRONG?

A human zygote is "human" and it is alive. If it's inviable it will die naturally.

 

[2aguy]

Your solution is more guns with more ammo. THAT IS ABSURD, More heavily Armed civilians with minimal regulation other than “trust us” as right wing terrorism is growing in America - is a problem.

Moron....."Right Wing" terrorism isn't growing in any place other than the plans of democrats to lie about it to smear republicans.....the buffalo shooter? Was a leftist.....he stated this in his "manifesto," and the people threatening Supreme Court Justices are leftists....the people who burned, looted and murdered for 7 months to intimidate voters against Trump? They were the brown shirts of the democrat party, blm and antifa..........7 months, and the democrat party mayors told the police to do nothing.........and the democrat party bailed them out and protected them.......

As far as guns? People owning guns doesn't create crime...how do we know? 27 years of actual experience....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.