Zone1 What knowledge does the Holy Spirit lead us into?

[ding]

Because you are logically wrong. The only reason fir hell to exist is punishment for non belief. Catholicism teaches you are in a constant state of sin and must go to confession. You cant evewn talk directly to god. You need a priest who probably had sex with a child

No. The reason hell exists is because of accountability. Do you have a problem with being held accountable by God?

 

[Cougarbear]

I've been in the faith since 1972. A believer since I was 3.

There’s a difference between belief and faith. Belief requires no effort to act on the belief. Faith requires acts or works of faith like repentance, baptism, keep the commandments, live and increase the covenant path and help others as well.

 

[Cougarbear]

It's not about rule keeping. It's about loving God.

And, the Bible says, If you love me, keep my commandments. So, to keep the rules (commandments) is how to love God. Then, love one another including who you perceive as your enemies.

 

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And, the Bible says, If you love me, keep my commandments. So, to keep the rules (commandments) is how to love God. Then, love one another including who you perceive as your enemies.

You got that backwards. Loving God is how you keep the commandments. Saying it the other way makes it about rule keeping.

 

[Woodznutz]

There’s a difference between belief and faith. Belief requires no effort to act on the belief. Faith requires acts or works of faith like repentance, baptism, keep the commandments, live and increase the covenant path and help others as well.

Exactly. I didn't act on my belief until I was about 30. God didn't call me until I was "due" to be called.

 

[BreezeWood]

True. Rule keeping limits you to the rules, even if you follow them.

in truth - there are no rules to follow from the heavens is why all three trilateral desert religions have failed their bibles are sentences used to persecute and victimize the innocent perceived and used from the narrowest of viewpoints.

 

[BreezeWood]

And, the Bible says, If you love me, keep my commandments.

the book of forgeries lies and fallacies ...

 

[ding]

the book of forgeries lies and fallacies ...

What book would you have us read?

 

[ding]

in truth - there are no rules to follow from the heavens is why all three trilateral desert religions have failed their bibles are sentences used to persecute and victimize the innocent perceived and used from the narrowest of viewpoints.

Why do you consistently make moral arguments like there are rules to follow?

 

[Woodznutz]

in truth - there are no rules to follow from the heavens is why all three trilateral desert religions have failed their bibles are sentences used to persecute and victimize the innocent perceived and used from the narrowest of viewpoints.

People should fear to do evil. What's the problem?

 

[Hafar1014]

Its the LOVE of MONEY/wealth that leads to sin. Money is nothing but a tool constructed by man, it can be used righteously or abused. The Christ pointed this out in scripture......when the wealthy man turned away from Jesus because he had great wealth. Jesus did not tell the merchant to GIVE everything to the poor.......just to sell what he has, aka. liquidate.....and give some of it to those of less fortune. (Mark 10:17-22)

A great many mistranslate the passage about wealth and the eye of the needle. Most place a literal interpretation to the needle in question. In reality, the needle was an entry for merchants in major walled cities where anyone carrying goods for trade had to pass through this certain entry way..........when loaded heavy the pack animal, camel ...etc, had to be trained to bend its knees in order to pass through without removing cargo. Thus, "Its easier to pass through the eye of the needle than for a wealthy person to enter into the kingdom of God..." (Matt. 19:24)

Some declare, because there's no archaeology to support this translation.......it can't be true. But, in reality: lack of evidence is not proof of evidence.

The fact that the scriptures include wealthy men supporting Jesus excludes the eye of the needle parable from being taken literally. Example Luke: 19:1-9. Matt. 27:57-60, Mark 15:42-46, Luke 23:50-53, Acts 10, Acts 16: 14-15, 40.

SO why do so many rich people donate billions to charity

 

[Hafar1014]

No. The reason hell exists is because of accountability. Do you have a problem with being held accountable by God?

Hell was created to threaten people into believing in Jesus. You can sin your entire life and then confess belief in Jesus and like magic your forgiven. Thats the opposite of accountable. Thats get out of jail free.

 

[Woodznutz]

Hell was created to threaten people into believing in Jesus. You can sin your entire life and then confess belief in Jesus and like magic your forgiven. That's the opposite of accountable. That's get out of jail free.

Pretty sure God can spot an insincere confession.

 

[Hafar1014]

Pretty sure God can spot an insincere confession.

Yes when a donation isnt included with it

 

[Woodznutz]

Jesus saves...but Moses invests that's why we are wealthy.

Not if you have to beg money from Christians to feed starving Jews.

 

[ding]

Hell was created to threaten people into believing in Jesus. You can sin your entire life and then confess belief in Jesus and like magic your forgiven. Thats the opposite of accountable. Thats get out of jail free.

Not a fan of being held accountable. Imagine that.

 

[Hafar1014]

Not a fan of being held accountable. Imagine that.

I already addressed this. If anyone is not accountable its you who can screw over people for your entire life and Jesus will forgive you. Belief in Jesus means you never have to say youre sorry. Try that as a defense in court

 

[ding]

I already addressed this. If anyone is not accountable its you who can screw over people for your entire life and Jesus will forgive you. Belief in Jesus means you never have to say youre sorry. Try that as a defense in court

And I already addressed your ridiculous lies about Christianity but that hasn't stopped you from repeating them..

You have a problem with being accountable. That's why you reject the existence of hell.

 

[Hafar1014]

You have a problem with being accountable. That's why you reject the existence of hell.

You were raised wrong

 

[ding]

You were raised wrong

You were raised wrong. You are afraid of being held accountable to God. I'm not. I love God.