What is Zionism, and why do some believe it’s a slur?

[gipper]

What's your excuse?

Is this Jewish man who survived the Holocaust an antisemite?

 

[gipper]

We see differently. I would make an offer to someone whose mind might be changed, but never to an evil Jew-hater beyond redemption.

That’s a mistake I find leftists make: thinking being nice to horrible, hateful people will help things. There’s simply a line I will not cross.

For example, I know a Jew (yes, a Jew) who marched with the pro-Palestinians as they chanted “Death to Jews!” within days of the 10/7 massacre. Funerals of murdered Jewish toddlers and children were still ongoing in Israel, and she casts her lot with the antisemites calling for more. I have not spoken with her since. She is beyond redemption.

Are you Israel and Israel is you?

 

[Gary Seven]

Seems quite likely the same people who were promised the land by Gawd in the book were also the same people who wrote the book. That's kind of like a corporation being trusted to audit itself for false reporting.

 

[rosends]

We see differently. I would make an offer to someone whose mind might be changed, but never to an evil Jew-hater beyond redemption.

That’s a mistake I find leftists make: thinking being nice to horrible, hateful people will help things. There’s simply a line I will not cross.

For example, I know a Jew (yes, a Jew) who marched with the pro-Palestinians as they chanted “Death to Jews!” within days of the 10/7 massacre. Funerals of murdered Jewish toddlers and children were still ongoing in Israel, and she casts her lot with the antisemites calling for more. I have not spoken with her since. She is beyond redemption.

the goal isn't to change a hater's mind, but to be available to anyone else who is watching and still deciding.

 

[rosends]

Is this Israeli Jew are traitor or a terrorist?

I don't know -- my computer is acting up and a bunch of posts aren't loading. I'll have to check back later.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

This is beyond the pale

Orthodox Jew asks Supreme Court to hear case after city allegedly targeted his home prayer group

Orthodox Jew asks Supreme Court to hear case after city allegedly targeted his home prayer group

An Orthodox Jewish homeowner asked the Supreme Court to hear his case after he says Ohio city officials targeted him for planning to host a home prayer gathering.

www.foxnews.com

 

[rosends]

Is this Israeli Jew are traitor or a terrorist?

I finally got it to load. My verdict is that, first, I have no way of knowing that he is Israeli. Next, he is neither a traitor or a terrorist. Do you have a follow up question? A simpleton, maybe. A bad son, possibly.

 

[EMH]

You see, that isn't Zionism. You start with an erroneous understanding so you end up drawing silly conclusions.

Then "educate" me...

 

[EMH]

No, many don't. Those that do, use it in conjunction with one with messianic messaging so it isn't a political or military statement but a religious one. The patch is not allowed by the army and the soldier who wore it was disciplined.

It was just one IDF wearing it??

Not exactly...

This is similar to Israel's "desire" to "police settler violence." "Nothing to see here..." yeah right.

 

[rosends]

Then "educate" me...

Sure -- Zionism is a very simple (but modern) idea:

the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and the existence of a Jewish state in their ancestral homeland
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the thing is, it is no longer a useful label because the existence of the state has been achieved. Someone now who is "anti-Zionism" is anti the continued existence of the state of Israel. The term should therefore be "anti-Israel." Is that a label for your position that you are comfortable with? I'll be happy to use that as it clarifies what your position seems to be. If that isn't your position, could you please clarify, keeping in mind the historical definition of the term. Thanks.

 

[EMH]

the existence of a Jewish state in their ancestral homeland

.... AS DEFINED IN CH 1 of BOOK OF JOSHUA.... thanks for validating EMH's definition...

 

[EMH]

because the existence of the state has been achieved

Einstein Letter Warning Of Zionist Facism In Israel

 

[rosends]

It was just one IDF wearing it??

Can you show me a different number who were wearing it?

Not exactly...

This is similar to Israel's "desire" to "police settler violence." "Nothing to see here..." yeah right.

But then you don't address what the patch is about and what the consequence was of his wearing it. Why?

 

[rosends]

.... AS DEFINED IN CH 1 of BOOK OF JOSHUA.... thanks for validating EMH's definition...

No, not as defined in Joshua. Zionism says nothing about borders because, as I said, itis a modern label so it is not entrenched in the borders listed in the text. Did you have another question?

 

[EMH]

what the consequence was of his wearing it.

a hand slap and "don't be so obvious next time."


As to how many IDF wore them.... yawn. Hard to believe it was just one...

 

[EMH]

No, not as defined in Joshua. Zionism says nothing about borders

One of the big problems of "zionism" today is that....


NOBODY BELIEVES YOU

 

[rosends]

a hand slap and "don't be so obvious next time."

no, not exactly -- your ignorance is showing

As to how many IDF wore them.... yawn. Hard to believe it was just one...

"hard to believe"? So you have no evidence otherwise. Got it.

 

[rosends]

One of the big problems of "zionism" today is that....


NOBODY BELIEVES YOU

because they prefer your ignorance and lies? That IS sad.

 

[Billiejeens]

Is this Jewish man who survived the Holocaust an antisemite?

Maybe

He could just be uninformed, an idiot, or a useful tool for the terrorists, maybe not by choice.

 

[fncceo]

So, you’re looking forward to that?

Antisemitism exists and to be frank, if you hate Jews, I’d prefer you just say it and not hide behind weasel words.