What is White Supremacy?

[IM2]

And without any job, your salary is not higher than the guy who rounds up shopping carts.

No shit? A person with a job has a higher salary than a person without a job? Pure genius.

And why do you have to look down on the guy rounding up the shopping carts? All the ones I've encountered are way nicer than you are.

Likely far more intelligent as well. I think Deflectionist is a former "stoner" whose brain has turned to mush from doing too many psychedelic drugs.

In one of his posts here he mentioned mescalin and LSD.

Blacks don't have to fight for squat. They get stuff thrown in their laps by Affirmative Action, even when they didn't earn it. Unless demonstrated by past performance (ex. Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas), no black person in a professional job can be trusted, because they all might have got where they are by

Then why do you keep blaming black people for all of the ills that presently plague white Americans? And YOU?
Apparently you don't understand how lawsuits work nor how our government operates. The "perpetrators of AA and Jim Crow" - that would be the government that you just indicated should be excluded. They're the ones who drafted and passed the laws and then enforced the discriminatory policies, practices and statutes.

But just to humor me, how would you determine who and how someone has been harmed by affirmative action? Damages can't be paid unless you can show how you were harmed, that the act that caused the harm is unlawful and that affirmative action was the proximate cause of said harm

In law, a proximate cause is an event sufficiently related to an injury that the courts deem the event to be the cause of that injury. There are two types of causation in the law: cause-in-fact, and proximate (or legal) cause.
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Say for example, you apply for a managerial job and you were competing against a black female and she has a masters degree while you have a bachelors. The employer prefers that the candidate have a master although it's not a requirement. They select her over you. From what I know of you, you would probably claim you were being discriminated against because they hired a black female who in your mind only got where she did because of affirmative action's alleged "unfair" advantage, when in actuality, she was more educated and met the requirements that they desired, not required.

So tell me how you would prove that you were racially discriminated against in this scenario due to affirmative action.

I blame all those who create, push, and support AA, no matter what color they are. I also blame those who willingly receive it.

Instead, they could do what I have always done. Don't fill out the questionnaire. Have some integrity and pride.

You didn't explain how you would determine who suffered harm from affirmative action so that they could be paid "reparations" via a lawsuit. You can't get from A to Z without going through the entire alphabet at least in this case, so state your case.

According to "him/it", literally "hundreds of millions' of white people have been victimized by AA..

They must administer some drugs like none ever heard of at the VA mental ward in Florida.

LMAO.

Maybe I should have moved to Florida in my weed smoking days. What is about whites in Florida? First there was Morrison, now this guy. Maybe they need to quit eating alligator.

Brother, you would not like Florida. I used to travel there frequently before retiring, and always dreaded going. The humidity is oppresive....but my wife sure liked shopping in Palm Beach

Truthfully I did try alligator a few times while there. It wasn't that bad, but I drew the line at eating Iguana....lol

Lol!

I played a rugby tournament in Savannah. It's not Florida but that humidity down there is brutal. I have eaten gator meat. It was ok, but I won't make it a regular part of my diet.

 

[IM2]

If you look in a mirror, you know what you are. As for loony tune? You're so stupid you thought asphalt was rectum trouble; Peter Pan was something you put under the bed at night; you wear a hat to the toilet so you know which end to wipe. BTW, how is it every day you get to hurl another insult at me and make presuppositions with no basis in fact?

You are a racist, black supremacist that has never done shit with his life except blame white people because you're an absolute failure at life. If we took all the stupid people like you, place them in a room and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose.

If you hate this country so damn bad, why not pack your bags and find some place more to your liking? You like talking shit and pecking on your keyboard because the last time you did something that stupid, you were a teen and some Bubba kicked your ass. You are not intimidating anyone with your blathering insults, so screw you. Look in the mirror and you'll see the greatest example the world's worst failure. You are the reason white supremacists exist. The day after you and Al Sharpton croak, the white supremacists will go out of business. Nobody will be bitching about them

Wow, what did IM2 say to get under your skin like that? Must of struck a nerve.

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't dislike most whites, I just don't like racist whites. And when a person says America was meant to be only for whites and the 14th amendment is illegal then he should not get pissy when he's called a white supremacist.

 

[IM2]

If you look in a mirror, you know what you are. As for loony tune? You're so stupid you thought asphalt was rectum trouble; Peter Pan was something you put under the bed at night; you wear a hat to the toilet so you know which end to wipe. BTW, how is it every day you get to hurl another insult at me and make presuppositions with no basis in fact?

You are a racist, black supremacist that has never done shit with his life except blame white people because you're an absolute failure at life. If we took all the stupid people like you, place them in a room and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose.

If you hate this country so damn bad, why not pack your bags and find some place more to your liking? You like talking shit and pecking on your keyboard because the last time you did something that stupid, you were a teen and some Bubba kicked your ass. You are not intimidating anyone with your blathering insults, so screw you. Look in the mirror and you'll see the greatest example the world's worst failure. You are the reason white supremacists exist. The day after you and Al Sharpton croak, the white supremacists will go out of business. Nobody will be bitching about them

Wow, what did IM2 say to get under your skin like that? Must of struck a nerve.

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't feel threatened by him. I told him all he has to do is say name the time and the place and we can hold a public face to face and allow the people to decide whether or not he is competent OR the blowhard we know he really is.

I knew a lot of shady people in the day. I was on Hosea Williams tv show and once he took up my challenge, his show was cancelled at the end of the season. Jesse Jackson was a regular political sparring adversary. When a person has several decades of working in law and politics, they run across a lot of interesting characters. Of all the people who best represented their respective sides, Ralph David Abernathy was the man the left should revere and Ron Paul was the closest to a constitutionalist that has lived during my lifetime.

We are debating right now. You don't have to be on TV to debate.

Now I don't know who the hell you think you are but you have said that America was intended to be for whites only and that the 14th amendment, which makes blacks citizens was not legally ratified. You certainly don't think a black person with a sound mind is going to agree with that do you.

You don't have any facts to support your madness. The preamble does not say all white men are created equal, blacks had been here since 1619, the native Americans had been here 12,000 years, so this was not the white mans country. And as for my supposed racism, accusing blacks of hate just because we reject your white ethnostate agenda is the main tool white supremacists use.

So if you are not a white supremacist, you sure associate with them. And if you're not a white supremacist you have got to explain how your got that belief of America was only meant for whites. The bible doesn't justify the takeover, so this is not or never was New Jerusalem. Whites could not be the jews mentioned in the bible because the end as written comes in the middle east, not Europe.

The 14th amendment is a legally ratified amendment no matter what you say. Your entire argument is a bunch of Christian identity bullshit and the Christian identity is a white supremacist belief. So where you are at right now is in a place with a black man who is simply more studied about those like you than you expected.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

If you look in a mirror, you know what you are. As for loony tune? You're so stupid you thought asphalt was rectum trouble; Peter Pan was something you put under the bed at night; you wear a hat to the toilet so you know which end to wipe. BTW, how is it every day you get to hurl another insult at me and make presuppositions with no basis in fact?

You are a racist, black supremacist that has never done shit with his life except blame white people because you're an absolute failure at life. If we took all the stupid people like you, place them in a room and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose.

If you hate this country so damn bad, why not pack your bags and find some place more to your liking? You like talking shit and pecking on your keyboard because the last time you did something that stupid, you were a teen and some Bubba kicked your ass. You are not intimidating anyone with your blathering insults, so screw you. Look in the mirror and you'll see the greatest example the world's worst failure. You are the reason white supremacists exist. The day after you and Al Sharpton croak, the white supremacists will go out of business. Nobody will be bitching about them

Wow, what did IM2 say to get under your skin like that? Must of struck a nerve.

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't dislike most whites, I just don't like racist whites. And when a person says America was meant to be only for whites and the 14th amendment is illegal then he should not get pissy when he's called a white supremacist.

The history of this country don't change because you don't like the facts. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the reality is, America was founded for whites. Here is the FIRST Naturalization law written only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least..."

Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795

Where in the HELL is there any "racism" on my part? What I stated as FACT is both accurate and honest. Where is there any racism in an honest and accurate portrayal of the facts? Explain to us how a rendering of the facts is racist. IM2 is full of shit and you know it.

Second point: IM 2 knows damn well, my objections to the 14th Amendment are NOT predicated on race. My objections to the 14th Amendment are predicated on the fact that the 14th Amendment ultimately nullified the Bill of Rights. AND that is not my opinion. I can show you how, when applied in the context of gun Rights, the courts gradually eliminated gun Rights and ended up (under a conservative Court I might add), saying that the government grants you your "rights." And that, sir, is the antithesis of an unalienable Right. There is not a damn thing racist about it.

I don't like whataboutism; however, any person that is not black cannot make the racist statements you do in any place in America. There was a Chinese girl on tv a couple of days ago, accused of racism and stripped of her beauty pageant title and kicked out of her sorority for a lot less IM2 gets away with here. Just because I don't kiss his ass does not make me a racist. IM2 is the lowest form of life on earth.

I've gotten pissy because some of us are more equal than others. What IM2 says would get any other race of person banned and removed from this society.

 

[IM2]

Oh well in that case, this should be easy for you. Which cases?

The first Cheek v. US (Cheek didn't like to win) and the other case would require me giving up personal details.

Cheek was a nutjob who believed he wasn't required to pay taxes.

Did you work for William Coulson?

And he won the case - but, when the government arrested him a second time, he gave up. If not for the right wing, the tax protesters had that whole issue won. The Fair Tax would have eliminate the income tax, the IRS and the Federal Reserve. The right didn't like winning, however.

Brief Fact Summary. Defendant Cheek was convicted under a provision of the Federal Tax Code that makes it a felony to “willfully attempt in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or payment thereof” for failing to file a tax return. Defendant argued that he had acted on information he received from a group opposing the institution of taxation and based on this information he believed that he did not owe any taxes.

Cheek argued that he didn't believe he had to pay taxes because a right wing anti tax nutjob group had him believing he was not required to pay taxes. He was convicted of not paying taxes based on that and the court decided he did not pay based on a misunderstanding.

Synopsis of Rule of Law. A good faith misunderstanding of the law or a good faith belief that one is not violating the law does not have to be reasonable to negate the element of willfulness.

is guilty of a felony that “willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or payment thereof.” Defendant had failed to file a tax return required by law and argued in his defense that his failure to file was based on information he received from a group opposing the institution of taxation. Based on this information, Defendant asserted that he believed that he owed no taxes, including taxes on his wages. At trial the judge instructed the jury that an honest but unreasonable belief is not a defense and does not negate willfulness. Defendant appealed the jury instruction.

Issue. Can a mistake based on an honest but unreasonable belief negate the element of willfulness?

Held. Yes. Judgment reversed and remanded.
The general rule is that mistake of law is not a viable defense to a criminal prosecution. However, the statutes of tax law sometime make it difficult for the average citizen to know the extent of his/her duties under tax law. Therefore specific intent to violate the law is an element of certain Federal criminal tax offenses. The term “willfully” carves out an exception to the traditional rule that mistake of law is not a defense.

The Government, with regard to willfulness in violating tax law, has to prove that the law imposed a duty on the defendant, that the defendant knew of this duty and that the defendant voluntarily and intentionally violated that duty.

A good faith misunderstanding of the law or a good faith belief that one is not violating the law does not have to be reasonable to negate willfulness.

Discussion. Ordinarily a mistake about the prohibition is not a defense, however where the prosecution must prove that a duty was intentionally violated, a mistake as to the existence of the prohibition negates that intent. The terms willfully and knowingly raise questions as to whether their use requires the defendant to be aware of the existence of the law he is charged with violating or just aware that he/she willfully or knowingly acted, regardless of whether he knew the actions were illegal.

Cheek v. United States - Case Brief for Law Students | Casebriefs

So he was not convicted of willful refusal to pay taxes, not that taxes are illegal. Your argument has consistently been disingenuous. You don't take your 14th amendment crap to the SCOTUS because it's an invalid argument which is in fact a lie.

You are playing semantics. Our group did not agree with the previous group's assessment. The government had to prove willful failure and they didn't. We won the case. That is the bottom line there.

As to whether the taxes are legal or not, I posted a video that you chose not to view. That's on you. Not only was the guy who WROTE the law interviewed, but so were people who worked FOR the IRS in enforcing compliance.

You can filibuster this issue until Hell freezes over, but it don't change the bottom line. Yo have ZERO courtroom experience; ZERO legal education, ZERO knowledge of basic civics. Your life revolves around browbeating people and trying to intimidate people on the Internet. You're a pathetic failure.

You don't know what I have. I'm on the internet just like you are. The case was shown and things don't appear to be as you say. I'm retired. I do what I want. And what I have seen in this forum are a bunch of stormfront, daily stormer, national vanguard alt right maggots denigrating blacks in over 5,000 threads. So stop crying loser.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

If you look in a mirror, you know what you are. As for loony tune? You're so stupid you thought asphalt was rectum trouble; Peter Pan was something you put under the bed at night; you wear a hat to the toilet so you know which end to wipe. BTW, how is it every day you get to hurl another insult at me and make presuppositions with no basis in fact?

You are a racist, black supremacist that has never done shit with his life except blame white people because you're an absolute failure at life. If we took all the stupid people like you, place them in a room and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose.

If you hate this country so damn bad, why not pack your bags and find some place more to your liking? You like talking shit and pecking on your keyboard because the last time you did something that stupid, you were a teen and some Bubba kicked your ass. You are not intimidating anyone with your blathering insults, so screw you. Look in the mirror and you'll see the greatest example the world's worst failure. You are the reason white supremacists exist. The day after you and Al Sharpton croak, the white supremacists will go out of business. Nobody will be bitching about them

Wow, what did IM2 say to get under your skin like that? Must of struck a nerve.

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't feel threatened by him. I told him all he has to do is say name the time and the place and we can hold a public face to face and allow the people to decide whether or not he is competent OR the blowhard we know he really is.

I knew a lot of shady people in the day. I was on Hosea Williams tv show and once he took up my challenge, his show was cancelled at the end of the season. Jesse Jackson was a regular political sparring adversary. When a person has several decades of working in law and politics, they run across a lot of interesting characters. Of all the people who best represented their respective sides, Ralph David Abernathy was the man the left should revere and Ron Paul was the closest to a constitutionalist that has lived during my lifetime.

We are debating right now. You don't have to be on TV to debate.

Now I don't know who the hell you think you are but you have said that America was intended to be for whites only and that the 14th amendment, which makes blacks citizens was not legally ratified. You certainly don't think a black person with a sound mind is going to agree with that do you.

You don't have any facts to support your madness. The preamble does not say all white men are created equal, blacks had been here since 1619, the native Americans had been here 12,000 years, so this was not the white mans country. And as for my supposed racism, accusing blacks of hate just because we reject your white ethnostate agenda is the main tool white supremacists use.

So if you are not a white supremacist, you sure associate with them. And if you're not a white supremacist you have got to explain how your got that belief of America was only meant for whites. The bible doesn't justify the takeover, so this is not or never was New Jerusalem. Whites could not be the jews mentioned in the bible because the end as written comes in the middle east, not Europe.

The 14th amendment is a legally ratified amendment no matter what you say. Your entire argument is a bunch of Christian identity bullshit and the Christian identity is a white supremacist belief. So where you are at right now is in a place with a black man who is simply more studied about those like you than you expected.

You are a complete and utter idiot.

1) This is NOT a debate forum

2) Since it is obvious you have something to do with the ownership of this board, you are a liar and dishonest. Others have been reprimanded for far less than you get to do here

3) Not a swinging here has claimed the things you have

4) IF your dumb ass had READ the opinion of Roger Taney in the majority opinion of Dred Scott v. Sanford, he most assuredly did say that the 14th Amendment was specific to the white race. If his majority opinion wasn't 22 pages long, I'd post the whole damn thing

5) I don't care who agrees with the facts; you are a LIAR. I've posted the laws and the cases more than 100 times since I've run across you. I don't care if a black man agrees with me or not. The facts do not have an agenda. IF blacks want to live in a delusional world of believing that the 14th Amendment made them equal, that is their Right.

IF, OTOH, they see that the 14th Amendment took away Rights, made a false promise to you and you're here bitching 150 + years after the 14th Amendment was passed, something is wrong. Were the white supremacists of old correct? Are you lacking in the IQ department?

IF the law was legally adopted, you made the case of the racists back in the 1970s - 1990s. You would be biologically inferior to the whites because making you legally equal hasn't shut your babbling idiocy down. Now, do I think all blacks agree with you? When judges, legal researchers, historians, elected leaders, and civic leaders agree with me, your criticisms don't carry a Hell of a lot of weight. Fact is, I ran across a group of about ten black kids under 25 that DID study this and were quite convinced that the 14th Amendment added to their slavery.,

Now, you're little debate where you get to be the moderator and judge is bullshit. AND YOU LIE ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PROVIDED!!!!! You are probably a white racist because you know more about than I do and I worked around the cream of the crop for a couple of years. You are a fake and a phony. Not all black people buy IM2's lies and bullshit:

Due Process Equal Protection and Disenfranchisement | Equality and the 14th Amendment | Constitution USA | PBS

Can anybody here give me a link wherein these groups this half wit is yapping about has white supremacists talking about the fact unalienable Rights were nullified by the 14th Amendment? Just because you cannot try the constitutionality of the 14th amendment in a kangaroo court does not mean that the facts are not facts:

14th Amendment

Civil Liberties and Civil Rights [ushistory.org]

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The first Cheek v. US (Cheek didn't like to win) and the other case would require me giving up personal details.

Cheek was a nutjob who believed he wasn't required to pay taxes.

Did you work for William Coulson?

And he won the case - but, when the government arrested him a second time, he gave up. If not for the right wing, the tax protesters had that whole issue won. The Fair Tax would have eliminate the income tax, the IRS and the Federal Reserve. The right didn't like winning, however.

Brief Fact Summary. Defendant Cheek was convicted under a provision of the Federal Tax Code that makes it a felony to “willfully attempt in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or payment thereof” for failing to file a tax return. Defendant argued that he had acted on information he received from a group opposing the institution of taxation and based on this information he believed that he did not owe any taxes.

Cheek argued that he didn't believe he had to pay taxes because a right wing anti tax nutjob group had him believing he was not required to pay taxes. He was convicted of not paying taxes based on that and the court decided he did not pay based on a misunderstanding.

Synopsis of Rule of Law. A good faith misunderstanding of the law or a good faith belief that one is not violating the law does not have to be reasonable to negate the element of willfulness.

is guilty of a felony that “willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or payment thereof.” Defendant had failed to file a tax return required by law and argued in his defense that his failure to file was based on information he received from a group opposing the institution of taxation. Based on this information, Defendant asserted that he believed that he owed no taxes, including taxes on his wages. At trial the judge instructed the jury that an honest but unreasonable belief is not a defense and does not negate willfulness. Defendant appealed the jury instruction.

Issue. Can a mistake based on an honest but unreasonable belief negate the element of willfulness?

Held. Yes. Judgment reversed and remanded.
The general rule is that mistake of law is not a viable defense to a criminal prosecution. However, the statutes of tax law sometime make it difficult for the average citizen to know the extent of his/her duties under tax law. Therefore specific intent to violate the law is an element of certain Federal criminal tax offenses. The term “willfully” carves out an exception to the traditional rule that mistake of law is not a defense.

The Government, with regard to willfulness in violating tax law, has to prove that the law imposed a duty on the defendant, that the defendant knew of this duty and that the defendant voluntarily and intentionally violated that duty.

A good faith misunderstanding of the law or a good faith belief that one is not violating the law does not have to be reasonable to negate willfulness.

Discussion. Ordinarily a mistake about the prohibition is not a defense, however where the prosecution must prove that a duty was intentionally violated, a mistake as to the existence of the prohibition negates that intent. The terms willfully and knowingly raise questions as to whether their use requires the defendant to be aware of the existence of the law he is charged with violating or just aware that he/she willfully or knowingly acted, regardless of whether he knew the actions were illegal.

Cheek v. United States - Case Brief for Law Students | Casebriefs

So he was not convicted of willful refusal to pay taxes, not that taxes are illegal. Your argument has consistently been disingenuous. You don't take your 14th amendment crap to the SCOTUS because it's an invalid argument which is in fact a lie.

You are playing semantics. Our group did not agree with the previous group's assessment. The government had to prove willful failure and they didn't. We won the case. That is the bottom line there.

As to whether the taxes are legal or not, I posted a video that you chose not to view. That's on you. Not only was the guy who WROTE the law interviewed, but so were people who worked FOR the IRS in enforcing compliance.

You can filibuster this issue until Hell freezes over, but it don't change the bottom line. Yo have ZERO courtroom experience; ZERO legal education, ZERO knowledge of basic civics. Your life revolves around browbeating people and trying to intimidate people on the Internet. You're a pathetic failure.

You don't know what I have. I'm on the internet just like you are. The case was shown and things don't appear to be as you say. I'm retired. I do what I want. And what I have seen in this forum are a bunch of stormfront, daily stormer, national vanguard alt right maggots denigrating blacks in over 5,000 threads. So stop crying loser.

Now you're lying about the outcome of the case after you admitted the outcome. What an idiot!

 

[IM2]

If you look in a mirror, you know what you are. As for loony tune? You're so stupid you thought asphalt was rectum trouble; Peter Pan was something you put under the bed at night; you wear a hat to the toilet so you know which end to wipe. BTW, how is it every day you get to hurl another insult at me and make presuppositions with no basis in fact?

You are a racist, black supremacist that has never done shit with his life except blame white people because you're an absolute failure at life. If we took all the stupid people like you, place them in a room and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose.

If you hate this country so damn bad, why not pack your bags and find some place more to your liking? You like talking shit and pecking on your keyboard because the last time you did something that stupid, you were a teen and some Bubba kicked your ass. You are not intimidating anyone with your blathering insults, so screw you. Look in the mirror and you'll see the greatest example the world's worst failure. You are the reason white supremacists exist. The day after you and Al Sharpton croak, the white supremacists will go out of business. Nobody will be bitching about them

Wow, what did IM2 say to get under your skin like that? Must of struck a nerve.

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't dislike most whites, I just don't like racist whites. And when a person says America was meant to be only for whites and the 14th amendment is illegal then he should not get pissy when he's called a white supremacist.

The history of this country don't change because you don't like the facts. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the reality is, America was founded for whites. Here is the FIRST Naturalization law written only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least..."

Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795

Where in the HELL is there any "racism" on my part? What I stated as FACT is both accurate and honest. Where is there any racism in an honest and accurate portrayal of the facts? Explain to us how a rendering of the facts is racist. IM2 is full of shit and you know it.

Second point: IM 2 knows damn well, my objections to the 14th Amendment are NOT predicated on race. My objections to the 14th Amendment are predicated on the fact that the 14th Amendment ultimately nullified the Bill of Rights. AND that is not my opinion. I can show you how, when applied in the context of gun Rights, the courts gradually eliminated gun Rights and ended up (under a conservative Court I might add), saying that the government grants you your "rights." And that, sir, is the antithesis of an unalienable Right. There is not a damn thing racist about it.

I don't like whataboutism; however, any person that is not black cannot make the racist statements you do in any place in America. There was a Chinese girl on tv a couple of days ago, accused of racism and stripped of her beauty pageant title and kicked out of her sorority for a lot less IM2 gets away with here. Just because I don't kiss his ass does not make me a racist. IM2 is the lowest form of life on earth.

I've gotten pissy because some of us are more equal than others. What IM2 says would get any other race of person banned and removed from this society.

I have no problem with the facts. The facts show that America was built upon a foundation of white supremacy. It is that white supremacy you want to return to. Yet you start crying because you get called a white supremacist. The first naturalization laws excluded people who were already here. The fact that it was racist is undisputed and that's why it's no longer the law.

Your opposition to the 14th amendment is based on race but you try using the claim that it nullified the bill of rights. First off you ignore the fact that the unalienable rights everyone was supposed to have naturally, blacks did not have by written law. Your ignorance in this regard is the fact you used the 1790 Naturalization Act, which stripped unalienable rights from everyone who was not white. In all of your arguments you ignore anyone not white. The 14th amendment did not nullify the Bill of Rights and digging up a right wing legal interpretation doesn't change that.

You said those rights were given by God. That means they cannot be taken away. I'm not talking about gun rights, I am talking about human rights. Limiting to right to use a gun is not the same as basic human freedom. You see after the preamble was written, the so called founders created this document called the constitution that defined our rights. The preamble is not the supreme law of the land.

Now you call me a racist, yet because I know what racism is, I know I haven't said anything racist. You have made a claim that is racist anywhere you go. There is nothing wrong with what I have said. If you found an all black forum and decided to "educate" them, you would get banned. You can only say what you do here. Or on Jerry Springer.

This is not about you kissing anyone's ass. It is about you making a racist claim that America belongs only to whites and that the 14th amendment is illegal because it hasn't been legally ratified so everybody here who is not white are not legal citizens.

 

[IM2]

Wow, what did IM2 say to get under your skin like that? Must of struck a nerve.

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't feel threatened by him. I told him all he has to do is say name the time and the place and we can hold a public face to face and allow the people to decide whether or not he is competent OR the blowhard we know he really is.

I knew a lot of shady people in the day. I was on Hosea Williams tv show and once he took up my challenge, his show was cancelled at the end of the season. Jesse Jackson was a regular political sparring adversary. When a person has several decades of working in law and politics, they run across a lot of interesting characters. Of all the people who best represented their respective sides, Ralph David Abernathy was the man the left should revere and Ron Paul was the closest to a constitutionalist that has lived during my lifetime.

We are debating right now. You don't have to be on TV to debate.

Now I don't know who the hell you think you are but you have said that America was intended to be for whites only and that the 14th amendment, which makes blacks citizens was not legally ratified. You certainly don't think a black person with a sound mind is going to agree with that do you.

You don't have any facts to support your madness. The preamble does not say all white men are created equal, blacks had been here since 1619, the native Americans had been here 12,000 years, so this was not the white mans country. And as for my supposed racism, accusing blacks of hate just because we reject your white ethnostate agenda is the main tool white supremacists use.

So if you are not a white supremacist, you sure associate with them. And if you're not a white supremacist you have got to explain how your got that belief of America was only meant for whites. The bible doesn't justify the takeover, so this is not or never was New Jerusalem. Whites could not be the jews mentioned in the bible because the end as written comes in the middle east, not Europe.

The 14th amendment is a legally ratified amendment no matter what you say. Your entire argument is a bunch of Christian identity bullshit and the Christian identity is a white supremacist belief. So where you are at right now is in a place with a black man who is simply more studied about those like you than you expected.

You are a complete and utter idiot.

1) This is NOT a debate forum

2) Since it is obvious you have something to do with the ownership of this board, you are a liar and dishonest. Others have been reprimanded for far less than you get to do here

3) Not a swinging here has claimed the things you have

4) IF your dumb ass had READ the opinion of Roger Taney in the majority opinion of Dred Scott v. Sanford, he most assuredly did say that the 14th Amendment was specific to the white race. If his majority opinion wasn't 22 pages long, I'd post the whole damn thing

5) I don't care who agrees with the facts; you are a LIAR. I've posted the laws and the cases more than 100 times since I've run across you. I don't care if a black man agrees with me or not. The facts do not have an agenda. IF blacks want to live in a delusional world of believing that the 14th Amendment made them equal, that is their Right.

IF, OTOH, they see that the 14th Amendment took away Rights, made a false promise to you and you're here bitching 150 + years after the 14th Amendment was passed, something is wrong. Were the white supremacists of old correct? Are you lacking in the IQ department?

IF the law was legally adopted, you made the case of the racists back in the 1970s - 1990s. You would be biologically inferior to the whites because making you legally equal hasn't shut your babbling idiocy down. Now, do I think all blacks agree with you? When judges, legal researchers, historians, elected leaders, and civic leaders agree with me, your criticisms don't carry a Hell of a lot of weight. Fact is, I ran across a group of about ten black kids under 25 that DID study this and were quite convinced that the 14th Amendment added to their slavery.,

Now, you're little debate where you get to be the moderator and judge is bullshit. AND YOU LIE ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PROVIDED!!!!! You are probably a white racist because you know more about than I do and I worked around the cream of the crop for a couple of years. You are a fake and a phony. Not all black people buy IM2's lies and bullshit:

Due Process Equal Protection and Disenfranchisement | Equality and the 14th Amendment | Constitution USA | PBS

Can anybody here give me a link wherein these groups this half wit is yapping about has white supremacists talking about the fact unalienable Rights were nullified by the 14th Amendment? Just because you cannot try the constitutionality of the 14th amendment in a kangaroo court does not mean that the facts are not facts:

14th Amendment

Civil Liberties and Civil Rights [ushistory.org]

The Taney opinion is hailed as the worst decision in supreme court history. That's why it was overturned. And the 14th amendment didn't make us equal. Being born did.

You're a loony tune boy. You have not quoted law unless it's one that's been overturned. You're a joke.

 

[IM2]

4) IF your dumb ass had READ the opinion of Roger Taney in the majority opinion of Dred Scott v. Sanford, he most assuredly did say that the 14th Amendment was specific to the white race. If his majority opinion wasn't 22 pages long, I'd post the whole damn thing

Roger Taney was dead for 4 years when the 14th Amendment was adopted. Dred Scott v. Sandford was decided 11 years before the 14th Amendment. I never did take candy from babies, but this is probably easier.

 

[protectionist]

And without any job, your salary is not higher than the guy who rounds up shopping carts.

No shit? A person with a job has a higher salary than a person without a job? Pure genius.

And why do you have to look down on the guy rounding up the shopping carts? All the ones I've encountered are way nicer than you are.

Likely far more intelligent as well. I think Deflectionist is a former "stoner" whose brain has turned to mush from doing too many psychedelic drugs.

In one of his posts here he mentioned mescalin and LSD.

You didn't explain how you would determine who suffered harm from affirmative action so that they could be paid "reparations" via a lawsuit. You can't get from A to Z without going through the entire alphabet at least in this case, so state your case.

According to "him/it", literally "hundreds of millions' of white people have been victimized by AA..

They must administer some drugs like none ever heard of at the VA mental ward in Florida.

LMAO.

Maybe I should have moved to Florida in my weed smoking days. What is about whites in Florida? First there was Morrison, now this guy. Maybe they need to quit eating alligator.

Brother, you would not like Florida. I used to travel there frequently before retiring, and always dreaded going. The humidity is oppresive....but my wife sure liked shopping in Palm Beach

Truthfully I did try alligator a few times while there. It wasn't that bad, but I drew the line at eating Iguana....lol

You couldn't make it here in Florida. This is a red state. Black guy ran for governor, and got beat by the Republican . AA is disappearing here too. Not your cup of tea.

Lol. You fixed income, rent controlled, government leech.

I turned down several opportunities to move down south before retirement. Florida happened to be one of the states that I passed on, Georgia was another.

If I had chosen to uproot my family and go, I would have lived far better than you, in fact, someone like you probably would have been cutting my lawn, or cleaning my house.

1. 1 don't clean houses or cut lawns
I teach music.
2. There is no rent control in Florida.
3. You got something against Social Security and VA pensions ?

 

[protectionist]

Florida unemployment:
All:3.3%
White:2.5%
Black:6.1%
Hispanic:3.4%
Asian:2.2%

Source: EPI analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics Local Area Unemployment Statistics (LAUS) data and Current Population Survey (CPS) data

Of course the village idiot will dismiss these facts as "liberal lies"....Watch.

Just because blacks get AA, that doesn't mean they're going to get up out of bed before noon, and go out to get a job. Lots of those blacks are unemployed because they choose to be. Easier to just collect a welfare check. Right ,NVM ?

And how would you know that they choose to be unemployed?

You need to make up your mind. grandma.
On one hand, you claim that "blacks are doing better than whites, and get better jobs".

Now that you were presented with facts regarding unemployment, you are stating that the unemployed blacks are unemployed by choice"

You can't have it both ways.

You need to call for one of the staff at the VA mental ward and request a medication check.

Looks like you are the one needing mental help.
Those blacks who choose to be unemployed, choose it. Others who choose to work, do that.
Gee, that was tough, huh ?
Something tells me you wouldn't make it as a music student . It takes a brain.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Wow, what did IM2 say to get under your skin like that? Must of struck a nerve.

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't feel threatened by him. I told him all he has to do is say name the time and the place and we can hold a public face to face and allow the people to decide whether or not he is competent OR the blowhard we know he really is.

I knew a lot of shady people in the day. I was on Hosea Williams tv show and once he took up my challenge, his show was cancelled at the end of the season. Jesse Jackson was a regular political sparring adversary. When a person has several decades of working in law and politics, they run across a lot of interesting characters. Of all the people who best represented their respective sides, Ralph David Abernathy was the man the left should revere and Ron Paul was the closest to a constitutionalist that has lived during my lifetime.

We are debating right now. You don't have to be on TV to debate.

Now I don't know who the hell you think you are but you have said that America was intended to be for whites only and that the 14th amendment, which makes blacks citizens was not legally ratified. You certainly don't think a black person with a sound mind is going to agree with that do you.

You don't have any facts to support your madness. The preamble does not say all white men are created equal, blacks had been here since 1619, the native Americans had been here 12,000 years, so this was not the white mans country. And as for my supposed racism, accusing blacks of hate just because we reject your white ethnostate agenda is the main tool white supremacists use.

So if you are not a white supremacist, you sure associate with them. And if you're not a white supremacist you have got to explain how your got that belief of America was only meant for whites. The bible doesn't justify the takeover, so this is not or never was New Jerusalem. Whites could not be the jews mentioned in the bible because the end as written comes in the middle east, not Europe.

The 14th amendment is a legally ratified amendment no matter what you say. Your entire argument is a bunch of Christian identity bullshit and the Christian identity is a white supremacist belief. So where you are at right now is in a place with a black man who is simply more studied about those like you than you expected.

You are a complete and utter idiot.

1) This is NOT a debate forum

2) Since it is obvious you have something to do with the ownership of this board, you are a liar and dishonest. Others have been reprimanded for far less than you get to do here

3) Not a swinging here has claimed the things you have

4) IF your dumb ass had READ the opinion of Roger Taney in the majority opinion of Dred Scott v. Sanford, he most assuredly did say that the 14th Amendment was specific to the white race. If his majority opinion wasn't 22 pages long, I'd post the whole damn thing

5) I don't care who agrees with the facts; you are a LIAR. I've posted the laws and the cases more than 100 times since I've run across you. I don't care if a black man agrees with me or not. The facts do not have an agenda. IF blacks want to live in a delusional world of believing that the 14th Amendment made them equal, that is their Right.

IF, OTOH, they see that the 14th Amendment took away Rights, made a false promise to you and you're here bitching 150 + years after the 14th Amendment was passed, something is wrong. Were the white supremacists of old correct? Are you lacking in the IQ department?

IF the law was legally adopted, you made the case of the racists back in the 1970s - 1990s. You would be biologically inferior to the whites because making you legally equal hasn't shut your babbling idiocy down. Now, do I think all blacks agree with you? When judges, legal researchers, historians, elected leaders, and civic leaders agree with me, your criticisms don't carry a Hell of a lot of weight. Fact is, I ran across a group of about ten black kids under 25 that DID study this and were quite convinced that the 14th Amendment added to their slavery.,

Now, you're little debate where you get to be the moderator and judge is bullshit. AND YOU LIE ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PROVIDED!!!!! You are probably a white racist because you know more about than I do and I worked around the cream of the crop for a couple of years. You are a fake and a phony. Not all black people buy IM2's lies and bullshit:

Due Process Equal Protection and Disenfranchisement | Equality and the 14th Amendment | Constitution USA | PBS

Can anybody here give me a link wherein these groups this half wit is yapping about has white supremacists talking about the fact unalienable Rights were nullified by the 14th Amendment? Just because you cannot try the constitutionality of the 14th amendment in a kangaroo court does not mean that the facts are not facts:

14th Amendment

Civil Liberties and Civil Rights [ushistory.org]

You're really citing Dred Scot as precedent?? The one decision that is commonly held to be the single worst decision the SCOTUS made? Now, I rank Citizen's United right up there as well--but really?

 

[protectionist]

[Q upUOTE="NewsVine_Mariyam, post: 23910940, member: 69274"]

And from all these illustrious certs you alleged to have received, have you ever gotten an actual JOB, to use them at ?
Do you do this work right now ?

Or is your major work going down to the welfare office to pick up a check, and get recertified for THAT ?

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No, I have not taken my latest certification out for a test drive yet.

Have you noticed that the average salary in my field is higher than the top range of the field you aspired to, even if you had been able to achieve your dreams?

So you have all those nice certs and no job. Well, they might look very nice hanging on the wall, while you wait for your welfare check.

And without any job, your salary is not higher than the guy who rounds up shopping carts.

LOL, I rest my case.

Your response is why I explained to you that because I deal with individuals such as yourself on a regular basis I know you very well although you did surprise me a bit. While I fully expected you to say something to try to denigrate my accomplishments It just didn't occur to me that you would think and claim (happily I'm sure) that I an unemployed.

Are you sad now that you know I'm not unemployed?

These idiots assume a lot of things. noprotection is a loser. There are over 100 million Americans living well even if things were actually as noprotection claims. They aren't crying about AA 24-7-365. These idiots give away their racism every day then claim they aren't racists. We just have to be opposing their racism because we have failed, it can't be due to the fact that we are pissed off about it and want the shit to stop. No matter how much money, fame or accomplishments, we want whites to stop being racists.

noprotection has no done shit in his life. He can't compare to you, I know he could not do as we have done, because he's here crying about some shit he made up. And full props go to Steve who is closer to noprotection in age and by looking at his crib, noprotection couldn't live in his garage. In fact, noprotection would consider that an upgrade.

Whites like him are too stupid to be called ignorant. From 1776 until Johnson signed the executive order, everything that stump stupid bastard called AA was provided to whites. It took almost 30 years for the entire country to recognize this as policy, and still today you have whites like noprotection crying because he couldn't get what he thought he was entitled to only because of the color of his skin.

There's no need for you to show off your need for AA, and how you desperately cling to it. This thread is old and long enough, that you have clearly shown how pathetically dependent you are.

To you, AA is like an addicting drug. It not only has you tied to it, and insanely craving it 24/7, but it distorts your mind.

You can blabber your racist trash all you like, and post lies about me, which I refuted long ago in this thread, but everyone in this forum knows you for what you are. Just another AA addicted poor soul, with an empty resume.

I play 5 musical instruments, all on a professional level, and I teach in affiliation with 3 music schools. (Violin, mandolin, & guitar).
And IM2 ? He does rap. LOL

After startup with just a few $$, I owned my own business for as long as I wished to, and expanded it to 3 branch offices in 3 counties. IM2 could never have done this. He would have needed an AA business loan. He would have needed AA assisted business courses.

I also have 2 honorable discharges from the military - Army National Guard and US Army, with a rank of Specialist 5. I could just see IM2 trying to get through boot camp. OMG. The drill sergeants (most of them black guys) would chew him up, and spit him out. Ha ha.

IM2: "Sergeant. Can't I be excused from the 20 mile March to the rifle range ? Isn't there any AA for that ?"

Sergeant: "You get that pack on your back, and that (heavy) helmet on your head, and be ready to March in 10 minutes, or I'll put my steel toe combat boot right straight up your ass, boy."



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In spite of all of your delusions of granduer about your "success", you didn't manage to turn out too well.

Did you?
[/QUOTE]
I turned out fine. And better than most. How many people do you know have a collection of over 100 drawings & paintings they did, over 100 poems they've written, a few copyrighted movie scripts, and play 5 musical instruments on a professional level ?

You will never attain 1/4 of this.

Eat your heart out, commoner.

 

[protectionist]

If you look in a mirror, you know what you are. As for loony tune? You're so stupid you thought asphalt was rectum trouble; Peter Pan was something you put under the bed at night; you wear a hat to the toilet so you know which end to wipe. BTW, how is it every day you get to hurl another insult at me and make presuppositions with no basis in fact?

You are a racist, black supremacist that has never done shit with his life except blame white people because you're an absolute failure at life. If we took all the stupid people like you, place them in a room and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose.

If you hate this country so damn bad, why not pack your bags and find some place more to your liking? You like talking shit and pecking on your keyboard because the last time you did something that stupid, you were a teen and some Bubba kicked your ass. You are not intimidating anyone with your blathering insults, so screw you. Look in the mirror and you'll see the greatest example the world's worst failure. You are the reason white supremacists exist. The day after you and Al Sharpton croak, the white supremacists will go out of business. Nobody will be bitching about them

Wow, what did IM2 say to get under your skin like that? Must of struck a nerve.

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't dislike most whites, I just don't like racist whites. And when a person says America was meant to be only for whites and the 14th amendment is illegal then he should not get pissy when he's called a white supremacist.

When a person says racial discrimination is OK as long as whites are the victims and blacks are the beneficiaries, then he should not get pissy when he's called a black supremacist.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Wow, what did IM2 say to get under your skin like that? Must of struck a nerve.

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't dislike most whites, I just don't like racist whites. And when a person says America was meant to be only for whites and the 14th amendment is illegal then he should not get pissy when he's called a white supremacist.

The history of this country don't change because you don't like the facts. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the reality is, America was founded for whites. Here is the FIRST Naturalization law written only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least..."

Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795

Where in the HELL is there any "racism" on my part? What I stated as FACT is both accurate and honest. Where is there any racism in an honest and accurate portrayal of the facts? Explain to us how a rendering of the facts is racist. IM2 is full of shit and you know it.

Second point: IM 2 knows damn well, my objections to the 14th Amendment are NOT predicated on race. My objections to the 14th Amendment are predicated on the fact that the 14th Amendment ultimately nullified the Bill of Rights. AND that is not my opinion. I can show you how, when applied in the context of gun Rights, the courts gradually eliminated gun Rights and ended up (under a conservative Court I might add), saying that the government grants you your "rights." And that, sir, is the antithesis of an unalienable Right. There is not a damn thing racist about it.

I don't like whataboutism; however, any person that is not black cannot make the racist statements you do in any place in America. There was a Chinese girl on tv a couple of days ago, accused of racism and stripped of her beauty pageant title and kicked out of her sorority for a lot less IM2 gets away with here. Just because I don't kiss his ass does not make me a racist. IM2 is the lowest form of life on earth.

I've gotten pissy because some of us are more equal than others. What IM2 says would get any other race of person banned and removed from this society.

I have no problem with the facts. The facts show that America was built upon a foundation of white supremacy. It is that white supremacy you want to return to. Yet you start crying because you get called a white supremacist. The first naturalization laws excluded people who were already here. The fact that it was racist is undisputed and that's why it's no longer the law.

Your opposition to the 14th amendment is based on race but you try using the claim that it nullified the bill of rights. First off you ignore the fact that the unalienable rights everyone was supposed to have naturally, blacks did not have by written law. Your ignorance in this regard is the fact you used the 1790 Naturalization Act, which stripped unalienable rights from everyone who was not white. In all of your arguments you ignore anyone not white. The 14th amendment did not nullify the Bill of Rights and digging up a right wing legal interpretation doesn't change that.

You said those rights were given by God. That means they cannot be taken away. I'm not talking about gun rights, I am talking about human rights. Limiting to right to use a gun is not the same as basic human freedom. You see after the preamble was written, the so called founders created this document called the constitution that defined our rights. The preamble is not the supreme law of the land.

Now you call me a racist, yet because I know what racism is, I know I haven't said anything racist. You have made a claim that is racist anywhere you go. There is nothing wrong with what I have said. If you found an all black forum and decided to "educate" them, you would get banned. You can only say what you do here. Or on Jerry Springer.

This is not about you kissing anyone's ass. It is about you making a racist claim that America belongs only to whites and that the 14th amendment is illegal because it hasn't been legally ratified so everybody here who is not white are not legal citizens.

PART 1 OF THIS RESPONSE

1) The white people took this land via treaties and the Right of Conquest

2) Yep. the Constitution did exclude blacks, but that is not the real reason for the 14th Amendment. It's a bit more complicated than that

3) As you are criticizing me, you're probably peering through your glasses wherein the glass was made in Japan (which claims to be the most racially pure country in the world.) You're probably sitting on a chair made in one of the Koreas that are 98 + percent racially homogeneous while pecking lies on a keyboard, hooked to a computer made in China (which is well in excess of 90 percent Han Chinese.)

Those countries and many others are homogeneous, but they are not white. So, you think nothing of their "supremacy." You don't bitch about the slavers who brought blacks to America NOR your black brethren that rounded up them up and sold them to the slavers. Your hatred is reserved for the whites because you are not a damn bit better than anyone else. YOU ARE A BLACK SUPREMACIST

4) You are wrong about unalienable Rights. Naturalization is citizenship and citizenship is a privilege, NOT a Right. Even the black people understand this concept. THAT is why they supported the Democrats (via Ted Kennedy's lobbying efforts) when they force fed us the immigration laws that put in arbitrary numbers of people who could come to the United States. Emmanuel Celler of the Hart - Cellar Act was the Democrat that introduced that legislation and Philip Hart was the Democrat Senator that helped him promote it. NOW, you have a real problem IM2:

ALL of Trump's supporters are advocating for the strict enforcement of the immigration laws that the Democrats put into place. The Democrats real agenda was to flood America with non-whites and subtly commit genocide on the installment plan. Whites are only 1 in 13 of the world's population. By allowing people to come from all other nations equally, your side advocated a displacement of the founders / framers of the country and Constitution. They had to be eliminated, not protected while you sought this elusive "equality."

Oh I'm going to do this in two parts and hope that someone reads it other than you

 

[Porter Rockwell]

PART 2 OF MY EARLIER RESPONSE

Donald Trump's supporters want the draconian immigration laws enforced. So, given IM2's defintions and standards, none of them fit the category of white supremacist since they actually demand that everybody be forced to become a citizen.

That leaves IM2 having to deal with me

5) I have been a proponent of LIBERTY FOR ALL. Liberty, however, is not inclusive of citizenship. If citizenship were an unalienable Right, the Democrats would not have set arbitrary numbers for people to come here and work; they would have afforded citizenship to anyone who could get a job when the Hart - Celler Act was introduced

6) I have not said that the people who were born here under the 14th Amendment are or are not citizens. IF the 14th Amendment were to be nullified, it would be problematic to address; however, they are citizens today, we have a constitutional ban on ex post facto laws and there is a wide body of case law that would protect existing citizens. For example:

IF someone were born in this country and accepted as a citizen, they would retain it for the same reason that if someone moves onto your property and you take no steps to remove them, they get to stay due to a legal doctrine called adverse possession... and that is only one of the reasons. You will have to study the bolded terms, not just look them up, but if we nullify the 14th Amendment, nobody is taking your current citizenship.

New rules for immigration and citizenship would have to rewritten, but then the protection of unalienable Rights would be debated.

7) Human rights are not unalienable Rights. Citizenship is not an unalienable Right. You are arguing Black Supremacy because you are a Black Supremacist.

8) The Right to keep and bear Arms is an unalienable Right and if you'd like a long post or two for me to prove it, I can oblige

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't feel threatened by him. I told him all he has to do is say name the time and the place and we can hold a public face to face and allow the people to decide whether or not he is competent OR the blowhard we know he really is.

I knew a lot of shady people in the day. I was on Hosea Williams tv show and once he took up my challenge, his show was cancelled at the end of the season. Jesse Jackson was a regular political sparring adversary. When a person has several decades of working in law and politics, they run across a lot of interesting characters. Of all the people who best represented their respective sides, Ralph David Abernathy was the man the left should revere and Ron Paul was the closest to a constitutionalist that has lived during my lifetime.

We are debating right now. You don't have to be on TV to debate.

Now I don't know who the hell you think you are but you have said that America was intended to be for whites only and that the 14th amendment, which makes blacks citizens was not legally ratified. You certainly don't think a black person with a sound mind is going to agree with that do you.

You don't have any facts to support your madness. The preamble does not say all white men are created equal, blacks had been here since 1619, the native Americans had been here 12,000 years, so this was not the white mans country. And as for my supposed racism, accusing blacks of hate just because we reject your white ethnostate agenda is the main tool white supremacists use.

So if you are not a white supremacist, you sure associate with them. And if you're not a white supremacist you have got to explain how your got that belief of America was only meant for whites. The bible doesn't justify the takeover, so this is not or never was New Jerusalem. Whites could not be the jews mentioned in the bible because the end as written comes in the middle east, not Europe.

The 14th amendment is a legally ratified amendment no matter what you say. Your entire argument is a bunch of Christian identity bullshit and the Christian identity is a white supremacist belief. So where you are at right now is in a place with a black man who is simply more studied about those like you than you expected.

You are a complete and utter idiot.

1) This is NOT a debate forum

2) Since it is obvious you have something to do with the ownership of this board, you are a liar and dishonest. Others have been reprimanded for far less than you get to do here

3) Not a swinging here has claimed the things you have

4) IF your dumb ass had READ the opinion of Roger Taney in the majority opinion of Dred Scott v. Sanford, he most assuredly did say that the 14th Amendment was specific to the white race. If his majority opinion wasn't 22 pages long, I'd post the whole damn thing

5) I don't care who agrees with the facts; you are a LIAR. I've posted the laws and the cases more than 100 times since I've run across you. I don't care if a black man agrees with me or not. The facts do not have an agenda. IF blacks want to live in a delusional world of believing that the 14th Amendment made them equal, that is their Right.

IF, OTOH, they see that the 14th Amendment took away Rights, made a false promise to you and you're here bitching 150 + years after the 14th Amendment was passed, something is wrong. Were the white supremacists of old correct? Are you lacking in the IQ department?

IF the law was legally adopted, you made the case of the racists back in the 1970s - 1990s. You would be biologically inferior to the whites because making you legally equal hasn't shut your babbling idiocy down. Now, do I think all blacks agree with you? When judges, legal researchers, historians, elected leaders, and civic leaders agree with me, your criticisms don't carry a Hell of a lot of weight. Fact is, I ran across a group of about ten black kids under 25 that DID study this and were quite convinced that the 14th Amendment added to their slavery.,

Now, you're little debate where you get to be the moderator and judge is bullshit. AND YOU LIE ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PROVIDED!!!!! You are probably a white racist because you know more about than I do and I worked around the cream of the crop for a couple of years. You are a fake and a phony. Not all black people buy IM2's lies and bullshit:

Due Process Equal Protection and Disenfranchisement | Equality and the 14th Amendment | Constitution USA | PBS

Can anybody here give me a link wherein these groups this half wit is yapping about has white supremacists talking about the fact unalienable Rights were nullified by the 14th Amendment? Just because you cannot try the constitutionality of the 14th amendment in a kangaroo court does not mean that the facts are not facts:

14th Amendment

Civil Liberties and Civil Rights [ushistory.org]

The Taney opinion is hailed as the worst decision in supreme court history. That's why it was overturned. And the 14th amendment didn't make us equal. Being born did.

You're a loony tune boy. You have not quoted law unless it's one that's been overturned. You're a joke.

The illegally ratified 14th Amendment was passed to rescind Dred Scott. That decision was NOT overturned. Once again you demonstrate your abject ignorance. YOU ARE THE JOKE.

Even IF a court ever overturns Dred Scott, it does not change history.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I'm sick of him. He has thus far accused me of being a white supremacist; he accused me of "fucking" his mother; he's called me names that would have gotten any other poster banned. I don't have much respect for gutless cowards that hide behind the Internet and trying to bully people.

A white supremacist would be IM2 with white skin IMO. I know Don Black (the guy who started Stormfront) and David Duke and I was a law clerk under Jimmy Venable (the last living klansman when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain way back in the 1920s (IIRC.) NONE of those guys were near the caliber of hatemonger IM2 is. I met J.B. Stoner once as a teen when he was stumping for governor of Georgia. He'd be the only thing close to IM2 in terms of hate. IM2 wants all whites line up and mowed down with machine guns.

Personally, I've never heard any white racists go to the extremes IM2 does and maybe they exist, but the old guard aforementioned aren't in IM2's class when it comes to hate mongering and bigotry.

IM2 is beyond having any civil conversation with. If his intent is to convert people into white racists, it's about the only thing he's good at. Maybe he's a neo - nazi pretending to be black because he's sure as Hell doing a better recruitment job than the current crop of white racist leaders - because I can't even tell you their names.

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't feel threatened by him. I told him all he has to do is say name the time and the place and we can hold a public face to face and allow the people to decide whether or not he is competent OR the blowhard we know he really is.

I knew a lot of shady people in the day. I was on Hosea Williams tv show and once he took up my challenge, his show was cancelled at the end of the season. Jesse Jackson was a regular political sparring adversary. When a person has several decades of working in law and politics, they run across a lot of interesting characters. Of all the people who best represented their respective sides, Ralph David Abernathy was the man the left should revere and Ron Paul was the closest to a constitutionalist that has lived during my lifetime.

We are debating right now. You don't have to be on TV to debate.

Now I don't know who the hell you think you are but you have said that America was intended to be for whites only and that the 14th amendment, which makes blacks citizens was not legally ratified. You certainly don't think a black person with a sound mind is going to agree with that do you.

You don't have any facts to support your madness. The preamble does not say all white men are created equal, blacks had been here since 1619, the native Americans had been here 12,000 years, so this was not the white mans country. And as for my supposed racism, accusing blacks of hate just because we reject your white ethnostate agenda is the main tool white supremacists use.

So if you are not a white supremacist, you sure associate with them. And if you're not a white supremacist you have got to explain how your got that belief of America was only meant for whites. The bible doesn't justify the takeover, so this is not or never was New Jerusalem. Whites could not be the jews mentioned in the bible because the end as written comes in the middle east, not Europe.

The 14th amendment is a legally ratified amendment no matter what you say. Your entire argument is a bunch of Christian identity bullshit and the Christian identity is a white supremacist belief. So where you are at right now is in a place with a black man who is simply more studied about those like you than you expected.

You are a complete and utter idiot.

1) This is NOT a debate forum

2) Since it is obvious you have something to do with the ownership of this board, you are a liar and dishonest. Others have been reprimanded for far less than you get to do here

3) Not a swinging here has claimed the things you have

4) IF your dumb ass had READ the opinion of Roger Taney in the majority opinion of Dred Scott v. Sanford, he most assuredly did say that the 14th Amendment was specific to the white race. If his majority opinion wasn't 22 pages long, I'd post the whole damn thing

5) I don't care who agrees with the facts; you are a LIAR. I've posted the laws and the cases more than 100 times since I've run across you. I don't care if a black man agrees with me or not. The facts do not have an agenda. IF blacks want to live in a delusional world of believing that the 14th Amendment made them equal, that is their Right.

IF, OTOH, they see that the 14th Amendment took away Rights, made a false promise to you and you're here bitching 150 + years after the 14th Amendment was passed, something is wrong. Were the white supremacists of old correct? Are you lacking in the IQ department?

IF the law was legally adopted, you made the case of the racists back in the 1970s - 1990s. You would be biologically inferior to the whites because making you legally equal hasn't shut your babbling idiocy down. Now, do I think all blacks agree with you? When judges, legal researchers, historians, elected leaders, and civic leaders agree with me, your criticisms don't carry a Hell of a lot of weight. Fact is, I ran across a group of about ten black kids under 25 that DID study this and were quite convinced that the 14th Amendment added to their slavery.,

Now, you're little debate where you get to be the moderator and judge is bullshit. AND YOU LIE ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PROVIDED!!!!! You are probably a white racist because you know more about than I do and I worked around the cream of the crop for a couple of years. You are a fake and a phony. Not all black people buy IM2's lies and bullshit:

Due Process Equal Protection and Disenfranchisement | Equality and the 14th Amendment | Constitution USA | PBS

Can anybody here give me a link wherein these groups this half wit is yapping about has white supremacists talking about the fact unalienable Rights were nullified by the 14th Amendment? Just because you cannot try the constitutionality of the 14th amendment in a kangaroo court does not mean that the facts are not facts:

14th Amendment

Civil Liberties and Civil Rights [ushistory.org]

You're really citing Dred Scot as precedent?? The one decision that is commonly held to be the single worst decision the SCOTUS made? Now, I rank Citizen's United right up there as well--but really?

The facts of history cannot be changed regardless of how unpopular. AND if that decision were not the law, there would have been little pretext that the people would have supported to illegally ratify the 14th Amendment with... REALLY.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

ROTFLMFAO!

You sure know a lot of shady people!

So IM2 don't like most whites....this matters to you? I gotta say...I'm not threatened by him..nor do I think he intends me to be....You, on the other hand, feel threatened..and well you should be!

Your responses are quite telling..for those that want to look..I wonder if you really mean what you communicate to others..as to who you are..ethically?

I don't feel threatened by him. I told him all he has to do is say name the time and the place and we can hold a public face to face and allow the people to decide whether or not he is competent OR the blowhard we know he really is.

I knew a lot of shady people in the day. I was on Hosea Williams tv show and once he took up my challenge, his show was cancelled at the end of the season. Jesse Jackson was a regular political sparring adversary. When a person has several decades of working in law and politics, they run across a lot of interesting characters. Of all the people who best represented their respective sides, Ralph David Abernathy was the man the left should revere and Ron Paul was the closest to a constitutionalist that has lived during my lifetime.

We are debating right now. You don't have to be on TV to debate.

Now I don't know who the hell you think you are but you have said that America was intended to be for whites only and that the 14th amendment, which makes blacks citizens was not legally ratified. You certainly don't think a black person with a sound mind is going to agree with that do you.

You don't have any facts to support your madness. The preamble does not say all white men are created equal, blacks had been here since 1619, the native Americans had been here 12,000 years, so this was not the white mans country. And as for my supposed racism, accusing blacks of hate just because we reject your white ethnostate agenda is the main tool white supremacists use.

So if you are not a white supremacist, you sure associate with them. And if you're not a white supremacist you have got to explain how your got that belief of America was only meant for whites. The bible doesn't justify the takeover, so this is not or never was New Jerusalem. Whites could not be the jews mentioned in the bible because the end as written comes in the middle east, not Europe.

The 14th amendment is a legally ratified amendment no matter what you say. Your entire argument is a bunch of Christian identity bullshit and the Christian identity is a white supremacist belief. So where you are at right now is in a place with a black man who is simply more studied about those like you than you expected.

You are a complete and utter idiot.

1) This is NOT a debate forum

2) Since it is obvious you have something to do with the ownership of this board, you are a liar and dishonest. Others have been reprimanded for far less than you get to do here

3) Not a swinging here has claimed the things you have

4) IF your dumb ass had READ the opinion of Roger Taney in the majority opinion of Dred Scott v. Sanford, he most assuredly did say that the 14th Amendment was specific to the white race. If his majority opinion wasn't 22 pages long, I'd post the whole damn thing

5) I don't care who agrees with the facts; you are a LIAR. I've posted the laws and the cases more than 100 times since I've run across you. I don't care if a black man agrees with me or not. The facts do not have an agenda. IF blacks want to live in a delusional world of believing that the 14th Amendment made them equal, that is their Right.

IF, OTOH, they see that the 14th Amendment took away Rights, made a false promise to you and you're here bitching 150 + years after the 14th Amendment was passed, something is wrong. Were the white supremacists of old correct? Are you lacking in the IQ department?

IF the law was legally adopted, you made the case of the racists back in the 1970s - 1990s. You would be biologically inferior to the whites because making you legally equal hasn't shut your babbling idiocy down. Now, do I think all blacks agree with you? When judges, legal researchers, historians, elected leaders, and civic leaders agree with me, your criticisms don't carry a Hell of a lot of weight. Fact is, I ran across a group of about ten black kids under 25 that DID study this and were quite convinced that the 14th Amendment added to their slavery.,

Now, you're little debate where you get to be the moderator and judge is bullshit. AND YOU LIE ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PROVIDED!!!!! You are probably a white racist because you know more about than I do and I worked around the cream of the crop for a couple of years. You are a fake and a phony. Not all black people buy IM2's lies and bullshit:

Due Process Equal Protection and Disenfranchisement | Equality and the 14th Amendment | Constitution USA | PBS

Can anybody here give me a link wherein these groups this half wit is yapping about has white supremacists talking about the fact unalienable Rights were nullified by the 14th Amendment? Just because you cannot try the constitutionality of the 14th amendment in a kangaroo court does not mean that the facts are not facts:

14th Amendment

Civil Liberties and Civil Rights [ushistory.org]

You're really citing Dred Scot as precedent?? The one decision that is commonly held to be the single worst decision the SCOTUS made? Now, I rank Citizen's United right up there as well--but really?

The facts of history cannot be changed regardless of how unpopular. AND if that decision were not the law, there would have been little pretext that the people would have supported to illegally ratify the 14th Amendment with... REALLY.

The facts of history can and often are changed..these days.

The 14th was a cutting of the Gordian Knot--an arbitrary drawing of the line. If you are born here...you are a citizen. In large part..as I'm sure you know--it was a stinging defeat for the Reconstruction South. I guess you're still fighting, eh?

I'm ambivalent about it now...not really the need--but..since I find your argument about 'white genocide' to be ludicrous--I'm not losing any sleep over it.