What is “Trumpism”?

[Crepitus]

What is “Trumpism”?

The end of the United States as we know it, I fear.

 

[Mac1958]

What is “Trumpism”?

The end of the United States as we know it, I fear.

We'll get past this. We're better than this.

 

[DustyInfinity]

It is pretty clear the left got very comfortable with having no strong opposition.

i think that is really it. even when republicans won, they never really stood up to the left on cultural issues or challenged their right to control the narrative.


trump did. he was not afraid. very impressive. and totally shocking to the left.

I'm still trying to see their authoritarian angle. It must be the media thing. To dispute their veracity is not allowed. It is rich considering that even democrats poll negatively to the medias struggles with the truth. There is a reason neither side trusts them any more than a car salesman.

 

[DustyInfinity]

It is pretty clear the left got very comfortable with having no strong opposition.

i think that is really it. even when republicans won, they never really stood up to the left on cultural issues or challenged their right to control the narrative.


trump did. he was not afraid. very impressive. and totally shocking to the left.

They really lost their shit. When the attack video with Billy Bush failed, they became slobbering zombies.

 

[Crepitus]

What is “Trumpism”?

The end of the United States as we know it, I fear.

We'll get past this. We're better than this.

I used to think so, but I keep running across shit here that makes me doubt. Did you know there's a thread active right now proclaiming McCarthyism as a good thing and comparing good old Joe to Billy the Bagman as if it's a good thing too?

 

[DustyInfinity]

What is “Trumpism”?

The end of the United States as we know it, I fear.

We'll get past this. We're better than this.

I used to think so, but I keep running across shit here that makes me doubt. Did you know there's a thread active right now proclaiming McCarthyism as a good thing and comparing good old Joe to Billy the Bagman as if it's a good thing too?

Has anyone in that thread ever answered the questions about the Verona Papers?

 

[DustyInfinity]

Trumpism is not thinking Portland is a block party, and that people should not live in tents and shoot up with drugs in front of police stations. Shocking isn't it. Trumpism is also not treating people like they are too stupid to get ID.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Adoration of an authoritarian nationalist strongman.

Arrogant ignorance, bigotry, paranoia, tribalism -- disguised as patriotism.

Unintentional mockery of "conservative values" and "small government".

Day-to-day existence within an ideological bubble that considers any "news" or "information" not provided within that bubble to be "fake news".

Yeah. That's about it.

This is just an example of the construct of Trump that the left has made to justify their hatred of both Trump himself, and those who voted for (and will vote for) him.

Who needed a construct to call out shitty people and shitty values? I'll say it right to their shitty faces.

 

[Slade3200]

Adoration of an authoritarian nationalist strongman.

Arrogant ignorance, bigotry, paranoia, tribalism -- disguised as patriotism.

Unintentional mockery of "conservative values" and "small government".

Yeah. That's about it.

Are you sure it’s not just a fed up and retaliatory Right that has been given a label by ‘paranoid’ Leftists in an attempt to shut them back up?

There are many on the right, conservatives that are very much against Trump. His method of governing is toxic and people of all ideologies can recognize that.

his enemies are in open insurrection in the streets. that is "toxic" and "divisive".

if you consider trump the bad guy right now, you are the problem, not him.

I agree that many of Trump opponents are engaging in dishonest and unacceptable behavior. But if you don’t think Trump is neck deep in that crap then you are blind. I know the tactic is accuse the accusers instead of taking responsibility but you’re not fooling anybody with that tactic

the resist call went out before trump took office. before trump took office, federal agents were lying to judges to get warrants against him.


mayors are ordering the cops to stand down, so rioters can rule the streets and terrorize law abiding citizens.

innocent citizens are being arrested for defending themselves against violent mobs.


TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

That’s a very skewed and dishonest representation of history you’re presenting there. Some of those points we’ve debated in the past. Sounds like you’re dug in on that narrative but that’s just not how I see it. I guess that’s just how it is during these divided times

teh resist call went out, almost immediately after the election.


that is not me being "dishonest", that is the truth.

TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

Yes a call went out as soon as Trump was elected just as a call went out to stop Obama right after he was elected and just as the wings of every party activate to challenge the opposition when they gain power. But Trump owns the intensity of this battle and has fueled both his resistance and his followers with his rhetoric and method of attack. Smart leaders don’t give attention to the noise makers and they focus on the important things. As you can see clearly in this board, the conversation has devolved to grade school levels. The partisan haters who love to attack are emboldened and they love Trump because he propagates these type of fights. I don’t know why these people think a divided America that hates eachother is a better America than one that is unified but that seems to be the trend. That’s what Trumpism is all about

big difference between the republicans planning a partisan, and political fight to make obama a one termer,


and your side refusing to respect the peaceful transfer of power.


that you blame others, for your behavior, is understandable. if i was you, i would not want to be held accountable for the shit your side has done either.

What’s been my behavior? What have I done specifically to challenge the transfer of power? Come on now, you accused me, now back it up. Show examples

you're identifying with your side. thank you for not denying it.


as to your personals actions in support of it, i can guess. probably a shit ton of pushing the narrative and carrying water for certain important lies.

You just said a whole lot of nothing. LMK when you’re ready to talk about real stuff. I have no interest in these generic labels and stereotypes. They are a waste of time

i made a comment about your side's behavior and you self identified with it.

that was your call. as to your personal contribution, you can share that with us, if you want. or not.

That’s all I do here is share my perspective. You ignore the specific to try and attack “my side” the imaginary left. It’s called a strawman argument and it is a weak minded tactic used by those who can’t deal with specifics. You seem like a relatively smart person. Do better.

you blamed trump for something that was actually the fault of teh group, "the left".

your dislike of discussing groups or using such labels, is common with liberals.


my point stands. trump is not responsible for the hysterical reaction from your side, to his election.

Trump attacked the media by calling them fake news and the enemy of the people so he faces a more hostile media than any other president. Yes that is provoked outcome. ....

the media have been growing increasingly partisan and lefty for decades.

that hillary's loss and trump's win, drove them over the edge, is not trump's fault.


calling them fake news and the enemy of the people, is a reasonable response to their behavior.


remember the way they just flat out lied about what he said at charlottesville? that was unforgivable.

The animosity against Trump is Absolutely his fault. He was on every show during the campaign, got a priceless amount of free airtime. It wasn’t u til he started his fake news campaign that the media turned on him. I don’t really blame them. When the most powerful man in the world is lying to the public I understand the urge to want to call him on it. That’s what’s been happening.

you're kidding yourself. the media was completely partisan whores during the obama years, before trump was a factor.


immediately after the glory of hte first black president, they bought into the glory of the first woman president.


they thought that the next republican president had not yet been born.


they were offended that trump was speaking out for working class white men. that alone was enough to piss them off.

Well gee, look at how Obama spoke to and treated the media. I don’t know how you were raised but typically relationships are build off of trust and respect. When Trump lies and disrespects all who challenge him then he is going to foster contentious relationships. You are ignorantly pushing all the blame onto Trumps opponents and not recognizing the primary cause... Trump

i was just looking at the day after he announced to see what the media was saying, day one.


everything it seems is behind a pay wall, but the headlines, the bits i could see,


do not look like there were starting out objective and balanced....

Of course not. There had been a steady decline through the campaign as Trump got more and more aggressive and dishonest. The more the media called him on the more he attacked the media. It’s his default reaction.

Trump lies, media calls him on the lie, trump calls the media fake news. Thats the formula. You do see this dont you?

except if that was the way it went, the stories from the day after he announced, would have been neutral.


they were not. they were already hostile. even before he said or did anything.

Why would they be neutral? I just explained how the relationship between Trump and the media had been eroding throughout the campaign. Why would an election erase all of that?

i'm talking about the day immediately after his announcement he was running. it would have been day one of his campaign.

You mean after the escalator speech when he said Mexico is sending us rapists and murders? You think he got unfair coverage?

 

[Slade3200]

It is pretty clear the left got very comfortable with having no strong opposition.

i think that is really it. even when republicans won, they never really stood up to the left on cultural issues or challenged their right to control the narrative.


trump did. he was not afraid. very impressive. and totally shocking to the left.

What exactly is it about a “strong opposition” that you think is a good thing for Americans?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

We hear it thrown around all the time...right?
Is Trumpism nationalism?
Is it extreme patriotism?
Is it embracing and defending America’s right to sovereignty?
Is it the support and or display of core American values?
Is it preferring a likeminded society?

What is it and why do ‘some’ hold such discontent for it?

It's GOOD to be a LibBot.
It's BAD to be a TrumpBot.
But nobody seems to be able to explain why.

Because there no value in being either. You're just tards being tards.

 

[Correll]

It is pretty clear the left got very comfortable with having no strong opposition.

i think that is really it. even when republicans won, they never really stood up to the left on cultural issues or challenged their right to control the narrative.


trump did. he was not afraid. very impressive. and totally shocking to the left.

I'm still trying to see their authoritarian angle. It must be the media thing. To dispute their veracity is not allowed. It is rich considering that even democrats poll negatively to the medias struggles with the truth. There is a reason neither side trusts them any more than a car salesman.

agreed, they can't deal with someone who dares call them on their bullshit. more amd more, the libs, seem to think that they have the right to just have everone roll over and play dead,.

 

[Correll]

Adoration of an authoritarian nationalist strongman.

Arrogant ignorance, bigotry, paranoia, tribalism -- disguised as patriotism.

Unintentional mockery of "conservative values" and "small government".

Yeah. That's about it.

Are you sure it’s not just a fed up and retaliatory Right that has been given a label by ‘paranoid’ Leftists in an attempt to shut them back up?

There are many on the right, conservatives that are very much against Trump. His method of governing is toxic and people of all ideologies can recognize that.

his enemies are in open insurrection in the streets. that is "toxic" and "divisive".

if you consider trump the bad guy right now, you are the problem, not him.

I agree that many of Trump opponents are engaging in dishonest and unacceptable behavior. But if you don’t think Trump is neck deep in that crap then you are blind. I know the tactic is accuse the accusers instead of taking responsibility but you’re not fooling anybody with that tactic

the resist call went out before trump took office. before trump took office, federal agents were lying to judges to get warrants against him.


mayors are ordering the cops to stand down, so rioters can rule the streets and terrorize law abiding citizens.

innocent citizens are being arrested for defending themselves against violent mobs.


TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

That’s a very skewed and dishonest representation of history you’re presenting there. Some of those points we’ve debated in the past. Sounds like you’re dug in on that narrative but that’s just not how I see it. I guess that’s just how it is during these divided times

teh resist call went out, almost immediately after the election.


that is not me being "dishonest", that is the truth.

TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

Yes a call went out as soon as Trump was elected just as a call went out to stop Obama right after he was elected and just as the wings of every party activate to challenge the opposition when they gain power. But Trump owns the intensity of this battle and has fueled both his resistance and his followers with his rhetoric and method of attack. Smart leaders don’t give attention to the noise makers and they focus on the important things. As you can see clearly in this board, the conversation has devolved to grade school levels. The partisan haters who love to attack are emboldened and they love Trump because he propagates these type of fights. I don’t know why these people think a divided America that hates eachother is a better America than one that is unified but that seems to be the trend. That’s what Trumpism is all about

big difference between the republicans planning a partisan, and political fight to make obama a one termer,


and your side refusing to respect the peaceful transfer of power.


that you blame others, for your behavior, is understandable. if i was you, i would not want to be held accountable for the shit your side has done either.

What’s been my behavior? What have I done specifically to challenge the transfer of power? Come on now, you accused me, now back it up. Show examples

you're identifying with your side. thank you for not denying it.


as to your personals actions in support of it, i can guess. probably a shit ton of pushing the narrative and carrying water for certain important lies.

You just said a whole lot of nothing. LMK when you’re ready to talk about real stuff. I have no interest in these generic labels and stereotypes. They are a waste of time

i made a comment about your side's behavior and you self identified with it.

that was your call. as to your personal contribution, you can share that with us, if you want. or not.

That’s all I do here is share my perspective. You ignore the specific to try and attack “my side” the imaginary left. It’s called a strawman argument and it is a weak minded tactic used by those who can’t deal with specifics. You seem like a relatively smart person. Do better.

you blamed trump for something that was actually the fault of teh group, "the left".

your dislike of discussing groups or using such labels, is common with liberals.


my point stands. trump is not responsible for the hysterical reaction from your side, to his election.

Trump attacked the media by calling them fake news and the enemy of the people so he faces a more hostile media than any other president. Yes that is provoked outcome. ....

the media have been growing increasingly partisan and lefty for decades.

that hillary's loss and trump's win, drove them over the edge, is not trump's fault.


calling them fake news and the enemy of the people, is a reasonable response to their behavior.


remember the way they just flat out lied about what he said at charlottesville? that was unforgivable.

The animosity against Trump is Absolutely his fault. He was on every show during the campaign, got a priceless amount of free airtime. It wasn’t u til he started his fake news campaign that the media turned on him. I don’t really blame them. When the most powerful man in the world is lying to the public I understand the urge to want to call him on it. That’s what’s been happening.

you're kidding yourself. the media was completely partisan whores during the obama years, before trump was a factor.


immediately after the glory of hte first black president, they bought into the glory of the first woman president.


they thought that the next republican president had not yet been born.


they were offended that trump was speaking out for working class white men. that alone was enough to piss them off.

Well gee, look at how Obama spoke to and treated the media. I don’t know how you were raised but typically relationships are build off of trust and respect. When Trump lies and disrespects all who challenge him then he is going to foster contentious relationships. You are ignorantly pushing all the blame onto Trumps opponents and not recognizing the primary cause... Trump

i was just looking at the day after he announced to see what the media was saying, day one.


everything it seems is behind a pay wall, but the headlines, the bits i could see,


do not look like there were starting out objective and balanced....

Of course not. There had been a steady decline through the campaign as Trump got more and more aggressive and dishonest. The more the media called him on the more he attacked the media. It’s his default reaction.

Trump lies, media calls him on the lie, trump calls the media fake news. Thats the formula. You do see this dont you?

except if that was the way it went, the stories from the day after he announced, would have been neutral.


they were not. they were already hostile. even before he said or did anything.

Why would they be neutral? I just explained how the relationship between Trump and the media had been eroding throughout the campaign. Why would an election erase all of that?

i'm talking about the day immediately after his announcement he was running. it would have been day one of his campaign.

You mean after the escalator speech when he said Mexico is sending us rapists and murders? You think he got unfair coverage?

you made the claim that the unfair coverage was a result of trump's behavior over time.


day one, that excuse does not fly.

 

[Correll]

It is pretty clear the left got very comfortable with having no strong opposition.

i think that is really it. even when republicans won, they never really stood up to the left on cultural issues or challenged their right to control the narrative.


trump did. he was not afraid. very impressive. and totally shocking to the left.

What exactly is it about a “strong opposition” that you think is a good thing for Americans?

well, i didn't say for "americans" but for " the left" and i made no comment on whether it was a good thing for them or not, just that they were unable to deal with it.

 

[Crepitus]

What is “Trumpism”?

The end of the United States as we know it, I fear.

We'll get past this. We're better than this.

I used to think so, but I keep running across shit here that makes me doubt. Did you know there's a thread active right now proclaiming McCarthyism as a good thing and comparing good old Joe to Billy the Bagman as if it's a good thing too?

Has anyone in that thread ever answered the questions about the Verona Papers?

Don't know, was too disgusted to read much of it.

 

[Indeependent]

Trump is an authoritarian Nationalist, but he mixes in quite a bit of racism, sexism and xenophobia.

He is basically a Dictator-in-Training, and if given free-reign would GLADLY take over this nation.

He tries to wrap himself in patriotism, but he is far from being a patriot when all he thinks about is himself.

Where the heck do you whackadoodles find authoritarianism? Seriously. If you buy the Trump is an evil insert 'ism' then you have simply become a victim of decades long smearing. I guess if you hear it often enough, even rational people will eventually succumb. You also might want to clean out your house. Biden actually says racist stuff on a regular basis, and half the leadership in Virginia got away with wearing black face.

You really don’t understand the relation between Trump and authoritarianism?! Seriously?

The fact that Trump has to be an authoritarian to MAGA?
Part of me wants another GW to totally destroy the slums.

Trump doesn’t have to be anything. He is what he is... I’m just looking for an honest discussion. So when I hear people denying the relation between Trump and authoritarianism I can only scratch my head

Trump is not like that when he's with a non-combative audience.
I’m just looking for an honest discussion, but when I'm having a discussion with someone that won't watch anything but CNN and MSNBC, I know I'm not having an honest discussion.

I watch more Fox than CNN and MSNBC. I listen to Beck, Hannity and Levine in the car. Do I qualify as somebody worthy of conversing with?

Did you watch Trump on Hannity during the campaign?

I’m sure I did what specifically are you referring to?

You hate Trump and yet I’m sure I did.
Anyone who hates Trump as much as you do would know.
End of dishonest discussion.

 

[playtime]

 

[Indeependent]

Adoration of an authoritarian nationalist strongman.

Arrogant ignorance, bigotry, paranoia, tribalism -- disguised as patriotism.

Unintentional mockery of "conservative values" and "small government".

Yeah. That's about it.

Are you sure it’s not just a fed up and retaliatory Right that has been given a label by ‘paranoid’ Leftists in an attempt to shut them back up?

There are many on the right, conservatives that are very much against Trump. His method of governing is toxic and people of all ideologies can recognize that.

his enemies are in open insurrection in the streets. that is "toxic" and "divisive".

if you consider trump the bad guy right now, you are the problem, not him.

I agree that many of Trump opponents are engaging in dishonest and unacceptable behavior. But if you don’t think Trump is neck deep in that crap then you are blind. I know the tactic is accuse the accusers instead of taking responsibility but you’re not fooling anybody with that tactic

the resist call went out before trump took office. before trump took office, federal agents were lying to judges to get warrants against him.


mayors are ordering the cops to stand down, so rioters can rule the streets and terrorize law abiding citizens.

innocent citizens are being arrested for defending themselves against violent mobs.


TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

That’s a very skewed and dishonest representation of history you’re presenting there. Some of those points we’ve debated in the past. Sounds like you’re dug in on that narrative but that’s just not how I see it. I guess that’s just how it is during these divided times

teh resist call went out, almost immediately after the election.


that is not me being "dishonest", that is the truth.

TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

Yes a call went out as soon as Trump was elected just as a call went out to stop Obama right after he was elected and just as the wings of every party activate to challenge the opposition when they gain power. But Trump owns the intensity of this battle and has fueled both his resistance and his followers with his rhetoric and method of attack. Smart leaders don’t give attention to the noise makers and they focus on the important things. As you can see clearly in this board, the conversation has devolved to grade school levels. The partisan haters who love to attack are emboldened and they love Trump because he propagates these type of fights. I don’t know why these people think a divided America that hates eachother is a better America than one that is unified but that seems to be the trend. That’s what Trumpism is all about

big difference between the republicans planning a partisan, and political fight to make obama a one termer,


and your side refusing to respect the peaceful transfer of power.


that you blame others, for your behavior, is understandable. if i was you, i would not want to be held accountable for the shit your side has done either.

What’s been my behavior? What have I done specifically to challenge the transfer of power? Come on now, you accused me, now back it up. Show examples

you're identifying with your side. thank you for not denying it.


as to your personals actions in support of it, i can guess. probably a shit ton of pushing the narrative and carrying water for certain important lies.

You just said a whole lot of nothing. LMK when you’re ready to talk about real stuff. I have no interest in these generic labels and stereotypes. They are a waste of time

i made a comment about your side's behavior and you self identified with it.

that was your call. as to your personal contribution, you can share that with us, if you want. or not.

That’s all I do here is share my perspective. You ignore the specific to try and attack “my side” the imaginary left. It’s called a strawman argument and it is a weak minded tactic used by those who can’t deal with specifics. You seem like a relatively smart person. Do better.

you blamed trump for something that was actually the fault of teh group, "the left".

your dislike of discussing groups or using such labels, is common with liberals.


my point stands. trump is not responsible for the hysterical reaction from your side, to his election.

Trump attacked the media by calling them fake news and the enemy of the people so he faces a more hostile media than any other president. Yes that is provoked outcome. Trump takes credit for successes that he didn’t earn and blames everything bad on the democrats so he has a very strong and unified opposition from the Dems. That is a provokes outcome. Trump lies and distorts on a regular basis which is offensive to many Americans so he is not trusted and not respected by many in the public. That’s is a provoked outcome all of which were a result of Trumps chosen words and actions. It’s why he is a piss poor leader. He would be a great TV propagandist though. He can have his own show next year

So wrong...
The media outlets attacked Trump first and then Trump called them proliferates of Fake News.

 

[Indeependent]

Adoration of an authoritarian nationalist strongman.

Arrogant ignorance, bigotry, paranoia, tribalism -- disguised as patriotism.

Unintentional mockery of "conservative values" and "small government".

Yeah. That's about it.

Are you sure it’s not just a fed up and retaliatory Right that has been given a label by ‘paranoid’ Leftists in an attempt to shut them back up?

There are many on the right, conservatives that are very much against Trump. His method of governing is toxic and people of all ideologies can recognize that.

his enemies are in open insurrection in the streets. that is "toxic" and "divisive".

if you consider trump the bad guy right now, you are the problem, not him.

I agree that many of Trump opponents are engaging in dishonest and unacceptable behavior. But if you don’t think Trump is neck deep in that crap then you are blind. I know the tactic is accuse the accusers instead of taking responsibility but you’re not fooling anybody with that tactic

the resist call went out before trump took office. before trump took office, federal agents were lying to judges to get warrants against him.


mayors are ordering the cops to stand down, so rioters can rule the streets and terrorize law abiding citizens.

innocent citizens are being arrested for defending themselves against violent mobs.


TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

That’s a very skewed and dishonest representation of history you’re presenting there. Some of those points we’ve debated in the past. Sounds like you’re dug in on that narrative but that’s just not how I see it. I guess that’s just how it is during these divided times

teh resist call went out, almost immediately after the election.


that is not me being "dishonest", that is the truth.

TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

Yes a call went out as soon as Trump was elected just as a call went out to stop Obama right after he was elected and just as the wings of every party activate to challenge the opposition when they gain power. But Trump owns the intensity of this battle and has fueled both his resistance and his followers with his rhetoric and method of attack. Smart leaders don’t give attention to the noise makers and they focus on the important things. As you can see clearly in this board, the conversation has devolved to grade school levels. The partisan haters who love to attack are emboldened and they love Trump because he propagates these type of fights. I don’t know why these people think a divided America that hates eachother is a better America than one that is unified but that seems to be the trend. That’s what Trumpism is all about

big difference between the republicans planning a partisan, and political fight to make obama a one termer,


and your side refusing to respect the peaceful transfer of power.


that you blame others, for your behavior, is understandable. if i was you, i would not want to be held accountable for the shit your side has done either.

What’s been my behavior? What have I done specifically to challenge the transfer of power? Come on now, you accused me, now back it up. Show examples

you're identifying with your side. thank you for not denying it.


as to your personals actions in support of it, i can guess. probably a shit ton of pushing the narrative and carrying water for certain important lies.

You just said a whole lot of nothing. LMK when you’re ready to talk about real stuff. I have no interest in these generic labels and stereotypes. They are a waste of time

i made a comment about your side's behavior and you self identified with it.

that was your call. as to your personal contribution, you can share that with us, if you want. or not.

That’s all I do here is share my perspective. You ignore the specific to try and attack “my side” the imaginary left. It’s called a strawman argument and it is a weak minded tactic used by those who can’t deal with specifics. You seem like a relatively smart person. Do better.

you blamed trump for something that was actually the fault of teh group, "the left".

your dislike of discussing groups or using such labels, is common with liberals.


my point stands. trump is not responsible for the hysterical reaction from your side, to his election.

Trump attacked the media by calling them fake news and the enemy of the people so he faces a more hostile media than any other president. Yes that is provoked outcome. ....

the media have been growing increasingly partisan and lefty for decades.

that hillary's loss and trump's win, drove them over the edge, is not trump's fault.


calling them fake news and the enemy of the people, is a reasonable response to their behavior.


remember the way they just flat out lied about what he said at charlottesville? that was unforgivable.

The animosity against Trump is Absolutely his fault. He was on every show during the campaign, got a priceless amount of free airtime. It wasn’t u til he started his fake news campaign that the media turned on him. I don’t really blame them. When the most powerful man in the world is lying to the public I understand the urge to want to call him on it. That’s what’s been happening.

you're kidding yourself. the media was completely partisan whores during the obama years, before trump was a factor.


immediately after the glory of hte first black president, they bought into the glory of the first woman president.


they thought that the next republican president had not yet been born.


they were offended that trump was speaking out for working class white men. that alone was enough to piss them off.

Well gee, look at how Obama spoke to and treated the media. I don’t know how you were raised but typically relationships are build off of trust and respect. When Trump lies and disrespects all who challenge him then he is going to foster contentious relationships. You are ignorantly pushing all the blame onto Trumps opponents and not recognizing the primary cause... Trump

i was just looking at the day after he announced to see what the media was saying, day one.


everything it seems is behind a pay wall, but the headlines, the bits i could see,


do not look like there were starting out objective and balanced....

Of course not. There had been a steady decline through the campaign as Trump got more and more aggressive and dishonest. The more the media called him on the more he attacked the media. It’s his default reaction.

Trump lies, media calls him on the lie, trump calls the media fake news. Thats the formula. You do see this dont you?

except if that was the way it went, the stories from the day after he announced, would have been neutral.


they were not. they were already hostile. even before he said or did anything.

Why would they be neutral? I just explained how the relationship between Trump and the media had been eroding throughout the campaign. Why would an election erase all of that?

i'm talking about the day immediately after his announcement he was running. it would have been day one of his campaign.

You mean after the escalator speech when he said Mexico is sending us rapists and murders? You think he got unfair coverage?

My Colombian co-worker agrees with Trump.

 

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Adoration of an authoritarian nationalist strongman.

Arrogant ignorance, bigotry, paranoia, tribalism -- disguised as patriotism.

Unintentional mockery of "conservative values" and "small government".

Yeah. That's about it.

Are you sure it’s not just a fed up and retaliatory Right that has been given a label by ‘paranoid’ Leftists in an attempt to shut them back up?

There are many on the right, conservatives that are very much against Trump. His method of governing is toxic and people of all ideologies can recognize that.

his enemies are in open insurrection in the streets. that is "toxic" and "divisive".

if you consider trump the bad guy right now, you are the problem, not him.

I agree that many of Trump opponents are engaging in dishonest and unacceptable behavior. But if you don’t think Trump is neck deep in that crap then you are blind. I know the tactic is accuse the accusers instead of taking responsibility but you’re not fooling anybody with that tactic

the resist call went out before trump took office. before trump took office, federal agents were lying to judges to get warrants against him.


mayors are ordering the cops to stand down, so rioters can rule the streets and terrorize law abiding citizens.

innocent citizens are being arrested for defending themselves against violent mobs.


TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

That’s a very skewed and dishonest representation of history you’re presenting there. Some of those points we’ve debated in the past. Sounds like you’re dug in on that narrative but that’s just not how I see it. I guess that’s just how it is during these divided times

teh resist call went out, almost immediately after the election.


that is not me being "dishonest", that is the truth.

TRump is not the problem. the problem is that a significant portion of the left, is no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

Yes a call went out as soon as Trump was elected just as a call went out to stop Obama right after he was elected and just as the wings of every party activate to challenge the opposition when they gain power. But Trump owns the intensity of this battle and has fueled both his resistance and his followers with his rhetoric and method of attack. Smart leaders don’t give attention to the noise makers and they focus on the important things. As you can see clearly in this board, the conversation has devolved to grade school levels. The partisan haters who love to attack are emboldened and they love Trump because he propagates these type of fights. I don’t know why these people think a divided America that hates eachother is a better America than one that is unified but that seems to be the trend. That’s what Trumpism is all about

big difference between the republicans planning a partisan, and political fight to make obama a one termer,


and your side refusing to respect the peaceful transfer of power.


that you blame others, for your behavior, is understandable. if i was you, i would not want to be held accountable for the shit your side has done either.

What’s been my behavior? What have I done specifically to challenge the transfer of power? Come on now, you accused me, now back it up. Show examples

you're identifying with your side. thank you for not denying it.


as to your personals actions in support of it, i can guess. probably a shit ton of pushing the narrative and carrying water for certain important lies.

You just said a whole lot of nothing. LMK when you’re ready to talk about real stuff. I have no interest in these generic labels and stereotypes. They are a waste of time

i made a comment about your side's behavior and you self identified with it.

that was your call. as to your personal contribution, you can share that with us, if you want. or not.

That’s all I do here is share my perspective. You ignore the specific to try and attack “my side” the imaginary left. It’s called a strawman argument and it is a weak minded tactic used by those who can’t deal with specifics. You seem like a relatively smart person. Do better.

you blamed trump for something that was actually the fault of teh group, "the left".

your dislike of discussing groups or using such labels, is common with liberals.


my point stands. trump is not responsible for the hysterical reaction from your side, to his election.

Trump attacked the media by calling them fake news and the enemy of the people so he faces a more hostile media than any other president. Yes that is provoked outcome. Trump takes credit for successes that he didn’t earn and blames everything bad on the democrats so he has a very strong and unified opposition from the Dems. That is a provokes outcome. Trump lies and distorts on a regular basis which is offensive to many Americans so he is not trusted and not respected by many in the public. That’s is a provoked outcome all of which were a result of Trumps chosen words and actions. It’s why he is a piss poor leader. He would be a great TV propagandist though. He can have his own show next year

So wrong...
The media outlets attacked Trump first and then Trump called them proliferates of Fake News.

which you can see, by looking at the first day reports.