What Is This Secular Thing?

[Sky Dancer]

90% of the southern and southwestern U S votes by the dictates of the Christian faith. 75%of the population claims to be a Christian. Secular?

It would be like saying Iran is Christian

People vote by their beliefs. You do, too.

But apparently, it's only bad when people vote by their Christian beliefs.

Bull. It's bad when Christians want to turn the US into a theocracy. The New Apostolic Reformation, for example.

We all vote our conscience. Somehow Christians think they're the only ones who have one.

 

[toxicmedia]

90% of the southern and southwestern U S votes by the dictates of the Christian faith. 75%of the population claims to be a Christian. Secular?

It would be like saying Iran is Christian

People vote by their beliefs. You do, too.

But apparently, it's only bad when people vote by their Christian beliefs.

I don't remember any politicians being told by anyone in the US, be it at the state level, or federal level...that they can't vote a certain way because they're christian.

Am I missing something?

 

[daveman]

They USE parts of it but the USA is not a theocracy and can never be one.
.

Really? I think that's exactly what the Republican party is shooting for.

Preserving stem cells at all costs while research could save hundreds of thousands of lives

Supporting any effort or activity to force young women to have unwanted children when the world is already full of them.

Supporting Israel against those who they have conquered and occupied and whose lands they have acquired through war.

Maintaining control and power and allowing the less fortunate to suffer while they put hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars into military research and development.

Standing in the way of the advancement of ordinary working Americans at any juncture.


Don't tell me about Republicans...I was one when they were a good political party.

It's a damn shame you belief all that horseshit about the GOP, then.

 

[toxicmedia]

We are the first nation on this earth to recognize that we have rights from God and freedom of all religions.
America is based on God, family and knowledge and the socialists of this nation has attacked these principle's very heavily for the last 50 years or so.

I don't know of any other nation's basis for government that says people are born with all rights and they're not granted by government.

Do you mean before?..or after the US did in the late 1700's?

 

[daveman]

What is this secular thing? You mean our government and the forces that want to turn the US into a theocracy?

You mean the forced that want to turn the US into a theocracy but can't.

 

[Sky Dancer]

They USE parts of it but the USA is not a theocracy and can never be one.
.

Really? I think that's exactly what the Republican party is shooting for.

Preserving stem cells at all costs while research could save hundreds of thousands of lives

Supporting any effort or activity to force young women to have unwanted children when the world is already full of them.

Supporting Israel against those who they have conquered and occupied and whose lands they have acquired through war.

Maintaining control and power and allowing the less fortunate to suffer while they put hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars into military research and development.

Standing in the way of the advancement of ordinary working Americans at any juncture.


Don't tell me about Republicans...I was one when they were a good political party.

It's a damn shame you belief all that horseshit about the GOP, then.

Republican platform is against stem cell research, it is against reproductive rights, it is pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian, it is pro guns and military and it is against workers rights.

 

[daveman]

90% of the southern and southwestern U S votes by the dictates of the Christian faith. 75%of the population claims to be a Christian. Secular?

It would be like saying Iran is Christian

People vote by their beliefs. You do, too.

But apparently, it's only bad when people vote by their Christian beliefs.

Bull. It's bad when Christians want to turn the US into a theocracy. The New Apostolic Reformation, for example.

We all vote our conscience. Somehow Christians think they're the only ones who have one.

Yeah, not really seeing how your victim-of-Christianity fantasy has anything to do with reality.

 

[daveman]

90% of the southern and southwestern U S votes by the dictates of the Christian faith. 75%of the population claims to be a Christian. Secular?

It would be like saying Iran is Christian

People vote by their beliefs. You do, too.

But apparently, it's only bad when people vote by their Christian beliefs.

I don't remember any politicians being told by anyone in the US, be it at the state level, or federal level...that they can't vote a certain way because they're christian.

Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing where I said that.

It's obvious Cammpbell doesn't like people voting according to their faith...when then faith is Christianity.

 

[Sky Dancer]

People vote by their beliefs. You do, too.

But apparently, it's only bad when people vote by their Christian beliefs.

Bull. It's bad when Christians want to turn the US into a theocracy. The New Apostolic Reformation, for example.

We all vote our conscience. Somehow Christians think they're the only ones who have one.

Yeah, not really seeing how your victim-of-Christianity fantasy has anything to do with reality.

Are you going to tell me you don't notice Ann Coulter saying liberals are godless?

The GOP thinks its the party of God and no other citizens have conscience or religion.

 

[daveman]

Really? I think that's exactly what the Republican party is shooting for.

Preserving stem cells at all costs while research could save hundreds of thousands of lives

Supporting any effort or activity to force young women to have unwanted children when the world is already full of them.

Supporting Israel against those who they have conquered and occupied and whose lands they have acquired through war.

Maintaining control and power and allowing the less fortunate to suffer while they put hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars into military research and development.

Standing in the way of the advancement of ordinary working Americans at any juncture.


Don't tell me about Republicans...I was one when they were a good political party.

It's a damn shame you belief all that horseshit about the GOP, then.

Republican platform is against stem cell research, it is against reproductive rights, it is pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian, it is pro guns and military and it is against workers rights.

"against stem cell research"
No, against government-funded embryo stem cell research. Get it right.

"against reproductive rights"
No, against using abortion as a convenient method of birth control to kill inconvenient babies. Get it right.

"pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian"
When the Palestinians prove they're capable of running their own nation not dedicated to killing Jews, then I'll support them having their own country.

"pro guns and military"
Not seeing anything wrong with that.

"against workers rights"
No, against union thuggery and extortion. Get it right.

 

[daveman]

Bull. It's bad when Christians want to turn the US into a theocracy. The New Apostolic Reformation, for example.

We all vote our conscience. Somehow Christians think they're the only ones who have one.

Yeah, not really seeing how your victim-of-Christianity fantasy has anything to do with reality.

Are you going to tell me you don't notice Ann Coulter saying liberals are godless?

I don't read Coulter, and as I seem to have to keep reminding you, I'm not responsible for anyone's views but my own.

The GOP thinks its the party of God and no other citizens have conscience or religion.

No, that's your fantasy talking again.

 

[toxicmedia]

People vote by their beliefs. You do, too.

But apparently, it's only bad when people vote by their Christian beliefs.

I don't remember any politicians being told by anyone in the US, be it at the state level, or federal level...that they can't vote a certain way because they're christian.

Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing where I said that.

It's obvious Cammpbell doesn't like people voting according to their faith...when then faith is Christianity.

Without commenting on what Cammbell said.....I don't think there are any victims of religious persecution in the US.

Everybody can go to church, worship how they will, without breaking any laws.

Atheists are not forced to get religion either.

I don't get the hubbubb

 

[Sky Dancer]

It's a damn shame you belief all that horseshit about the GOP, then.

Republican platform is against stem cell research, it is against reproductive rights, it is pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian, it is pro guns and military and it is against workers rights.

"against stem cell research"
No, against government-funded embryo stem cell research. Get it right.

"against reproductive rights"
No, against using abortion as a convenient method of birth control to kill inconvenient babies. Get it right.

"pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian"
When the Palestinians prove they're capable of running their own nation not dedicated to killing Jews, then I'll support them having their own country.

"pro guns and military"
Not seeing anything wrong with that.

"against workers rights"
No, against union thuggery and extortion. Get it right.

Yep. I was right. You're against reproductive choice. You're pro Israel. You are into guns and the military and you're against unions and workers rights.

You're against stem cell research unless one of your private corporations gets to profit from it.

 

[peach174]

Not true.

Good guess though.

Name another country who has, before 1776.
Natural rights not human rights.
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness

Holland.

Locke's theory was written in Holland but was not implemented in Holland.
Holland had a constitution in 1579 but Locke's theory was not used. They had a new one in 1798 after ours.

 

[Cammmpbell]

They USE parts of it but the USA is not a theocracy and can never be one.
.

Really? I think that's exactly what the Republican party is shooting for.

Preserving stem cells at all costs while research could save hundreds of thousands of lives

Supporting any effort or activity to force young women to have unwanted children when the world is already full of them.

Supporting Israel against those who they have conquered and occupied and whose lands they have acquired through war.

Maintaining control and power and allowing the less fortunate to suffer while they put hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars into military research and development.

Standing in the way of the advancement of ordinary working Americans at any juncture.


Don't tell me about Republicans...I was one when they were a good political party.

It's a damn shame you belief all that horseshit about the GOP, then.

My voting record:

1956 Eisenhower
1960 Nixon
1964 Goldwater
1968 Nixon
1972 Nixon
1976 Did Not Vote
1980 Anderson(I)
1984 Reagan
1988 Did Not Vote
1992 Did Not Vote
1996 Did Not Vote
2000 Did Not Vote
2004 Kerry ****
2008 Obama ****

**** Voted Against Spend and Borrow Republicans

Total U S Debt

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 $907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 $826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 $771,544,000,000.00
09/30/1977 $698,840,000,000.00
06/30/1976 $620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 $533,189,000,000.00
06/30/1974 $475,059,815,731.55
06/30/1973 $458,141,605,312.09
06/30/1972 $427,260,460,940.50
06/30/1971 $398,129,744,455.54
06/30/1970 $370,918,706,949.93
06/30/1969 $353,720,253,841.41
06/30/1968 $347,578,406,425.88
06/30/1967 $326,220,937,794.54
06/30/1966 $319,907,087,795.48
06/30/1965 $317,273,898,983.64
06/30/1964 $311,712,899,257.30
06/30/1963 $305,859,632,996.41
06/30/1962 $298,200,822,720.87
06/30/1961 $288,970,938,610.05
06/30/1960 $286,330,760,848.37
06/30/1959 $284,705,907,078.22
06/30/1958 $276,343,217,745.81
06/30/1957 $270,527,171,896.43
06/30/1956 $272,750,813,649.32
06/30/1955 $274,374,222,802.62
06/30/1954 $271,259,599,108.46
06/30/1953 $266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 $259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 $255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 $257,357,352,351.04

 

[techieny]

Bull. It's bad when Christians want to turn the US into a theocracy. The New Apostolic Reformation, for example.

We all vote our conscience. Somehow Christians think they're the only ones who have one.

Yeah, not really seeing how your victim-of-Christianity fantasy has anything to do with reality.

Are you going to tell me you don't notice Ann Coulter saying liberals are godless?

The GOP thinks its the party of God and no other citizens have conscience or religion.

You are so far left you can't see the right thing. The ONLY thing you leftist progressives will end up with is Sharia Law. Is that acceptable???

 

[Unkotare]

Are you going to tell me you don't notice Ann Coulter saying liberals are godless?

The GOP thinks its the party of God and no other citizens have conscience or religion.

You are truly, truly stupid.

 

[Unkotare]

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Republican platform is against stem cell research.

Are you not aware of how outdated this talking point is by now?

 

[techieny]

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Republican platform is against stem cell research.

Are you not aware of how outdated this talking point is by now?

I'll make an exception here. Unkotare could possibly benefit from some directed stem cell therapy!

 

[toxicmedia]

Name another country who has, before 1776.
Natural rights not human rights.
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness

Holland.

Locke's theory was written in Holland but was not implemented in Holland.
Holland had a constitution in 1579 but Locke's theory was not used. They had a new one in 1798 after ours.

Hollanders had religious and economic freedom in the early 1500's, which included freedom to persue life liberty and happiness. I thought somebody here said America was the first to have that?..