What is the world supposed to do with the Iranian regime, or what were they supposed to do with them?

[Votto]

Your timeline is a little off. You should start with 1953 when the newly formed CIA and the brits overthrew the government there and installed our puppet and he created the secret police there.

As bad as they may have been, is the current regime better you think?

If so, why?

 

[pknopp]

So, you refute all the attacks on Americans that I listed?

In places we have no business being in like I explained. Like we would never accept. Would we allow Russians to put military bases in Canada?

How about the Americans that their proxy Hamas took prisoner on 10/7?

Did those people deserve it you think as well?

No, they didn't deserve it. Just like the people who went missing off the streets under the Shah.

 

[Votto]

In places we have no business being in like I explained. Like we would never accept. Would we allow Russians to put military bases in Canada?




No, they didn't deserve it. Just like the people who went missing off the streets under the Shah.

So, Americans abroad are fair game and can be killed if you deem it that they had no business being there.

Understood.

So, you are Ok with these same people building missiles and nukes that can reach the US then?

After all, they all deserve it now, don't they.

Were the Barbary pirates justified in attacking American vessels in the 1700's as well?

First Barbary War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pknopp]

So, Americans abroad are fair game and can be killed if you deem it that they had no business being there.

You can twist my words when not able to address what i say all you want. I just ignore it.

Understood.

So, you are Ok with these same people building missils and nukes that can reach the US then?

There is no indication they can come anywhere close to being able to do that now, or into the future.

We have accused North Korea of this for years and their rockets splash harmlessly into the ocean.

Why is it other countries don't have this constant fear?

 

[1srelluc]

I think it's great that we can use Iran as a target range.

 

[Votto]

You can twist my words when not able to address what i say all you want. I just ignore it.




There is no indication they can come anywhere close to being able to do that now, or into the future.

We have accused North Korea of this for years and their rockets splash harmlessly into the ocean.

Why is it other countries don't have this constant fear?

I had no doubt you would ignore basically my entire post which is baseline for you, which you did.

Speaking of North Korea, what has the international community done about them?

They treat their own people worse than the Iranians

For example, did you know that the average South Korean is about 3 feet taller than the average North Korean because Rocket man starves his people do death? What resolutions have they passed against them? None? The hell you say!!

Luckily for them, they don't kill Americans abroad indiscriminately, that is, those you deem should not be there, thus making them justifiable targets in your warped American hating mind.

 

[Votto]

I think it's great that we can use Iran as a target range.

I suppose the US just goes in and blows it all to hell every so often to prevent them from having nukes, or they let them have nukes so that they can implement the social justice that Leftists and the radical Islamic loons can implement on the US and Israel by blowing them to bits as they all celebrate dancing in the streets like they did when they blew the head off Charley Kirk.

Not sure what other options there are at this point.

 

[Winston]

God only knows what the US gave them in return for the release of those hostages, which only emboldened them.

Finally, the United States transferred directly and indirectly to Iran a total amount of USD 7.956 billion (equivalent to USD 25+ billion in 2020).

Iran hostage crisis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pknopp]

I had no doubt you would ignore basically my entire post which is baseline for you, which you did.

Speaking of North Korea, what has the international community done about them?

They treat their own people worse than the Iranians

Not as bad as the Shah did Iranians.

For example, did you know that the average South Korean is about 3 feet taller than the average North Korean because Rocket man starves his people do death? What resolutions have they passed against them? None? The hell you say!!

Luckily for them, they don't kill Americans abroad indiscriminately, that is, those you deem should not be there, thus making them justifiable targets in your warped American hating mind.

There is little to nothing we can do about how others run their countries. If the people want change, they have to be the ones to do it.

Ask Afghanistan. How did it work out getting rid of the Taliban?

Iraq just passed a law that 9 year Olds can legally be married off. Is that what we fought for?

 

[22lcidw]

Trump is accomplishing nothing, just like Biden, Obama and Bush before him.

Well other than running up the debt that the rest of the world will end up using against us.

No more Iran agendas. Frankly, if we had better intelligence and a less corrupted military/industrial complex the drones and other Iranian technologies would have been settled fairly early.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Why is Iran enriching uranium deep underground for power plants?

Why do they deny UN inspectors entry to inspect?

Seems odd.

Do we want an Islamic Theocracy with a global caliphate to have NUCLEAR WEAPONS?

 

[pknopp]

Why is Iran enriching uranium deep underground for power plants?

Why do they deny UN inspectors entry to inspect?

Seems odd.

Do we want an Islamic Theocracy with a global caliphate to have NUCLEAR WEAPONS?

Do we allow inspectors to inspects our facilities?

 

[berg80]

What is the world supposed to do with the Iranian regime, or what were they supposed to do with them?​

One might ask the same question of the current American regime.

 

[pknopp]

What is the world supposed to do with the Iranian regime, or what were they supposed to do with them?​

One might ask the same question of the current American regime.

The world is asking that question. Look at the number of countries that have denied us use of their airspace.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Think of how wealthy everyone in Persia would be if the regime was peaceful and just sold oil.

Islamic fundamentalists are a scourge on the planet.

 

[22lcidw]

In places we have no business being in like I explained. Like we would never accept. Would we allow Russians to put military bases in Canada?




No, they didn't deserve it. Just like the people who went missing off the streets under the Shah.

The eastern Canadian provinces, Ontario and the Vancouver area deserve Russian military bases.

 

[Votto]

Not as bad as the Shah did Iranians.




There is little to nothing we can do about how others run their countries. If the people want change, they have to be the ones to do it.

Ask Afghanistan. How did it work out getting rid of the Taliban?

Iraq just passed a law that 9 year Olds can legally be married off. Is that what we fought for?

Let's look at how the Shah treated the Iranians verses the current regime, shall we?

Millions of Iranians Living Below the Poverty Line - Iran Focus

The expansion of poverty under Iran’s regime in recent years has become a serious concern. Official statistics present a catastrophic picture of poverty in the country, although these figures are often manipulated to understate the reality. According to a report by the Research Center of the...

iranfocus.com

80% if Iranians live in poverty today. How many were in poverty under the Shah? You do realize that the oil rich nation of Iran should have a standard of living above most in the world today, right? Instead, the regime either pockets the money for themselves, or they use it to fund terror around the world and their WMD program. In fact, the number of Iranian billionaires has skyrocketed even though their economy has not grown at all.

Were women and gays better off under the Shah?

Women’s Rights in Iran: 47 Years of Structural Discrimination

The Leading Role of Women in the January Uprising and Gender-Based Repression 8 March; A Global Benchmark for Equality and

iran-hrm.com

LGBTQ rights in Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And did the Shah murder over 30 thousand protesters like the current Iranian regime?

Keep in mind, they have killed many more of the years as their justice system is an absolute joke. All they have to do is want you dead for any reason and they can have you lynched in that same day without any ability to fight it.

 

[pknopp]

Let's look at how the Shah treated the Iranians verses the current regime, shall we?

Millions of Iranians Living Below the Poverty Line - Iran Focus

The expansion of poverty under Iran’s regime in recent years has become a serious concern. Official statistics present a catastrophic picture of poverty in the country, although these figures are often manipulated to understate the reality. According to a report by the Research Center of the...

iranfocus.com

80% if Iranians live in poverty today. How many were in poverty under the Shah? You do realize that the oil rich nation of Iran should have a standard of living above most in the world today, right? Instead, the regime either pockets the money for themselves, or they use it to fund terror around the world and their WMD program. In fact, the number of Iranian billionaires has skyrocketed even though their economy has not grown at all.

Were women and gays better off under the Shah?

Women’s Rights in Iran: 47 Years of Structural Discrimination

The Leading Role of Women in the January Uprising and Gender-Based Repression 8 March; A Global Benchmark for Equality and

iran-hrm.com

LGBTQ rights in Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And did the Shah murder over 30 thousand protesters like the current Iranian regime?

Keep in mind, they have killed many more of the years as their justice system is an absolute joke. All they have to do is want you dead for any reason and they can have you lynched in that same day without any ability to fight it.

You miss the main point. It is NONE of our business how others want to run their country. There is very little we can do about it. Sadly the one thing we can do, we don't. We prefer enriching the military complex at the cost to the people.

 

[Votto]

You miss the main point. It is NONE of our business how others want to run their country. There is very little we can do about it. Sadly the one thing we can do, we don't. We prefer enriching the military complex at the cost to the people.

I see, so we have gone from "The Shah treated the people much worse" to "It's none of our business after showing you that the people were better off under the Shah"

Hilarious!



Say, is your kid in here anywhere?

 

[JoeB131]

Iran began its current regime with a coup over the Shah of Iran in 1979, as the Iranian regime illegally took over the US embassy in their own country and held American prisoners for years. But the US allowed it and basically did nothing to punish them as they negotiated their release. God only knows what the US gave them in return for the release of those hostages, which only emboldened them. For you see, it was their position that both Israel and the US were "The Great Satan" of the world, therefore, fighting them with any means possible was justifiable and righteous, because they were just that evil. Since then, they have been chanting death to America and death to Israel pretty much every day of every year since. And many of you may agree and would like to assist them in destroying both Israel and America because they deserve it. Basically, it is the final and only answer to all the evils both countries have supposedly done to them and the world.

Oh, noes, they are saying MEAN THINGS about us.

Let's put this in reality. The Iranians elected a government that nationalized their oil wealth. The CIA overthrew that government and put the Shah in as a dictator. (Before that, he was a constitutional monarch with limited powers). For the Next 25 years, the Shah squandered Iran's oil wealth building himself palaces, while average Iranians had nothing to show for it.

The Iranians took hostages (at first radical students, but then the government got involved when the US raised the stakes by trying to invade) because the US let the Shah in for Cancer treatment. For the Iranians, they legitimately thought that we were gearing up to stage another coup against them.

The fact is, we've been punishing Iran for 47 years for picking a form of government we don't like.

But Iran was not a world power that could directly confront the US and Israel, so it used its oil revenue to fund terrorism against both powers by funding various proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis.

A few points here. The US has also armed "proxies" in the region. We funded the Muhajedeen in Afghanistan, encouraging radical Arabs to go there to fight the Soviets. Eventually, those radicals became Al Qaeda and bit us in the ass. We funded rebels in Libya and supported them with Air power. They turned around and bit us in the ass. We armed Saddam during his war with Iran from 1981 to 1989. He turned around and bit us in the ass.

So you can't go whining that "Iran is funding terrorists" when we fund our own proxies who are just as bad.

It also began a weapons program to create ballistic missiles than could reach those countries as well as possible WMD's to put on those weapons, thus giving them for the first time an ability to directly attack and confront both countries. This is what President Trump said he was there to prevent in the most recent attack on them.

If Israel and America can have all those weapons, why can't Iran? The US is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons on people. We are hardly on the moral high ground here.

Iran is viewed in a similar light. Just like the Black-on-Black violence in America must be overlooked, the fact that Iran has just recently murdered over 30 thousand of its own people must also be overlooked. The fact that Iran attacked all of its neighboring countries who had NOTHING to do with the US attack must also be overlooked. And the fact that it has oppressed its people, especially women and gays, since their revolution as well as all of the proxy wars across the Middle East that have murdered hundreds of thousands must also be overlooked.

Well, first, the 30K number is Zionist Bullshit, but you are right, it's terrible that they are oppressing their own people. It's also none of our business. Just like what is going on in Myanmar is none of our business. Or North Korea. Or any other country that has decided they like them some strongmen.

Currently, Iran is not allowing oil to flow to the rest of the world despite the fact that these countries had nothing to do with the American attack that just occurred. Why? As Trump said, this is YOUR problem now. The international community must get off their arse and finally hold Iran accountable for something and stop overlooking their own crimes against their own people and against the international community. As Trump said, the US does not need any of their oil, so it is not their problem.

This problem wouldn't exist if Israel Trump hadn't attacked Iran to start with.

The solution for the rest of the world would be to reach their own agreements with Iran and ignore American attempts to bring down their regime.