what is the lefts plan to end the war in Ukraine ?

[hadit]

The left's plan is a simple won. Continue funding Ukraine while they slowly lose more and more territory over the years until there is no more Ukraine at all. Then they can say they made Putin pay the price.

So far, the only "plan" I've seen even attempted by the left involves more years of people dying and more of Ukraine being ground into the dirt. Not a single one I've seen has yet proposed anything that stops the war.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Post #404. Look it up.


You claim that the Marines don't need tanks in modern warfare, while the commandant says they will just ask for Army tanks, if they need tanks. I'm going with the commandant.

In post #404, I said:
"But they never brought the tanks ashore in an amphibious assault. That is my point. Why not bring in Army tanks when needed just like they do with the Marine's tanks?"

Where does that say I was referring to WWII and Korea. I was on an amphib ship in 1993-1994. A tank never left our ship over the well deck. I recall carrying 5 in an exercise. I think they practiced loading them on and off the ship via the side ramps. That is what I was referring to as in modern day.

 

[DonGlock26]

In post #404, I said:
"But they never brought the tanks ashore in an amphibious assault. That is my point. Why not bring in Army tanks when needed just like they do with the Marine's tanks?"

Where does that say I was referring to WWII and Korea. I was on an amphib ship in 1993-1994. A tank never left our ship over the well deck. I recall carrying 5 in an exercise. I think they practiced loading them on and off the ship via the side ramps. That is what I was referring to as in modern day.

When was the last Marine large scale amphibious assault under fire? Did they use USMC tanks?

So, the Navy & Marines were training with tanks in the 90's. Now, the Marines want to use Army tanks.
This clearly shows that the need for armor hasn't gone away. The Marines just want to depend on the Army.
How does the Navy propose to get US Army tanks ashore?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When was the last Marine large scale amphibious assault under fire? Did they use USMC tanks?

So, the Navy & Marines were training with tanks in the 90's. Now, the Marines want to use Army tanks.
This clearly shows that the need for armor hasn't gone away. The Marines just want to depend on the Army.
How does the Navy propose to get US Army tanks ashore?

That's what LCACs and LCUs are for, but there will never be a large scale usage.

 

[Redfish]

Biden didn't start the war. Putin did. And Trump didn't do anything in his first term to dissuade his BFF from invading.
I think you're a bit befuddled. No Democrat or anyone on the "left" needs to provide any solution.

the dems only solution is to continue sending billions of our money to a losing cause in Ukraine, and we know why, because some % of it is coming back to the dems bank accounts. That war should have been over years ago. dem stupidity and greed has kept it going.

 

[DonGlock26]

That's what LCACs and LCUs are for, but there will never be a large scale usage.

When was the last Marine large scale amphibious assault under fire? Did they use USMC tanks?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When was the last Marine large scale amphibious assault under fire? Did they use USMC tanks?

Stilling in the past is not healthy. Grow up. Marine tanks are history.

 

[DonGlock26]

Stilling in the past is not healthy. Grow up. Marine tanks are history.

I just hope they have time to wait for the Army's tanks to come to their aid because the historical record shows Marines using tanks from Guadalcanal to Afghanistan.

BTW- who rescued the Rangers in Mogadishu?

"A relief column was hastily formed, primarily composed of Malaysian mechanized infantry companies, a Pakistani tank platoon, and US infantry.[141] At 11 pm, this convoy, consisting of around 100 vehicles - including four Pakistani M48 tanks, M113 APC's, Malaysian Condor APCs, American HMMWVs, and multiple M939 five-ton flatbed trucks - advanced into the city led by the Pakistani tanks.[167]"

Battle of Mogadishu (1993) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JoeB131]

Making the same mistake Hitler and Napoleon made.

Not really. We aren't invading Russia, we are protecting Ukraine from invasion.

 

[yidnar]

Not really. We aren't invading Russia, we are protecting Ukraine from invasion.

your CCP benefactors just stated that they are ready for war with the US .. we all know you will not [can not ] criticize your communist allies .. we all know you will take the side of the country that is responsible for the deaths of over 1 million Americans .. you CCP loving traitor !

China says it is ready for 'any type of war' with US

The comments come in response to US tariffs and as Beijing boosts defence spending by 7.2%.

www.bbc.com

 

[DonGlock26]

Not really. We aren't invading Russia, we are protecting Ukraine from invasion.

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[Zavulon]

Not really. We aren't invading Russia, we are protecting Ukraine from invasion.

As if Russian forces, "protecting Alaska and California from American invasion" wouldn't be invading in America.

 

[JoeB131]

your CCP benefactors just stated that they are ready for war with the US .. we all know you will not [can not ] criticize your communist allies .. we all know you will take the side of the country that is responsible for the deaths of over 1 million Americans .. you CCP loving traitor !

The only person responsible for 1 million deaths is Trump and his bleach-drinking incompetence in dealing with Covid.

Trump is the guy unnecessarily provoking China for no good reason. While telling our allies that we will sell them out in a heartbeat if they don't sufficiently kiss his ass.

This is not good diplomacy.

 

[JoeB131]

As if Russian forces, "protecting Alaska and California from American invasion" wouldn't be invading in America.

You guys gave up the Donbas in 1991, and signed treaties to that effect.

 

[Zavulon]

You guys gave up the Donbas in 1991, and signed treaties to that effect.

And NATO owed not to expand even one inch eastward. You started expansion eastward (to prepare to the war), we started our expansion westward (to prepare to the war).

And no, we didn't "gave up" Donbass. No more than Americans "gave up Canada". There is no problem in having Donbass as a part of Russia-friendly (or even neutral) state, where they do respect basic human rights. But if we can recognise independence of Kiev, we can easily recognise independence of Donetsk and Lugansk, too.

 

[JoeB131]

And NATO owed not to expand even one inch eastward. You started expansion eastward (to prepare to the war), we started our expansion westward (to prepare to the war).

when did NATO vow this?

The reality is, after 40 years under the Russian Boot, the former Warsaw Pact countries and even some former Soviet Republics couldn't WAIT to join NATO.

And no, we didn't "gave up" Donbass. No more than Americans "gave up Canada". There is no problem in having Donbass as a part of Russia-friendly (or even neutral) state, where they do respect basic human rights. But if we can recognise independence of Kiev, we can easily recognise independence of Donetsk and Lugansk, too.

I think you are confused.

The US actually DID try to annex Canada in the War of 1812. We saw that the UK was pre-occuppied with Napoleon and tried to take advantage. We got our asses whooped for doing so.

The thing was, when the USSR broke up, Russia didn't say squat about the Donbass. They just didn't care.

They still don't care about the Donbas, it's just a pretext for aggression.

 

[martybegan]

Not really. We aren't invading Russia, we are protecting Ukraine from invasion.

Considering you would be sending troops to areas Russian Soldiers occupy, that would be a distinction without merit.

 

[Zavulon]

when did NATO vow this?

In 1990. During reunification of Germany.

The reality is, after 40 years under the Russian Boot, the former Warsaw Pact countries and even some former Soviet Republics couldn't WAIT to join NATO.

As well as former Ukrainian regiona can't wait to join Russian

I think you are confused.

The US actually DID try to annex Canada in the War of 1812. We saw that the UK was pre-occuppied with Napoleon and tried to take advantage. We got our asses whooped for doing so.

Its all the questions of motivation. You did annex Texas, you could annex Canada if you wish.

The thing was, when the USSR broke up, Russia didn't say squat about the Donbass. They just didn't care.

They still don't care about the Donbas, it's just a pretext for aggression.

We are human beings, and we are rationally thinking human beings. We don't start aggression wars without really good reason.

Russian politician who doesn't care about Russian people, or at least, don't try to seems like he do care, very soon cease his career as a Russian politician or even cease his existence at all. And its a part of being collective animal. Collective self-defence. Attack one of us, and all of us will fight back.


So, lets play the game. New, illegal (from US point of view) Canadian regime, started discrimination and terror against pro-American Canadians. Like, say, burning alive, during on-line show, one hundred of peacefully protesting "Rednecks and Hillbillies" (exactly for being Trumpists). Do you believe that there is any force on our green Earth, that could stop the flow of American volonteers wishing to fight against pro-EU Canadian regime?

 

[JoeB131]

In 1990. During reunification of Germany.

Do you have a link to that? It wasn't like Russia had anything to say about that.

Its all the questions of motivation. You did annex Texas, you could annex Canada if you wish.

No, because that isn't done anymore.

 

[yidnar]

The only person responsible for 1 million deaths is Trump and his bleach-drinking incompetence in dealing with Covid.

Trump is the guy unnecessarily provoking China for no good reason. While telling our allies that we will sell them out in a heartbeat if they don't sufficiently kiss his ass.

This is not good diplomacy.

who's responsible for the deaths in other countries like India , Italy ,France ect ..