Zone1 What Is The Law Of Birth?

[LeroyDumonde]

All Children go to heaven (Deut. 1:39)...........

Deut 1:39 is talking about Israel, not Heaven.

God is OK in dishing out righteous justice. The death of Egypt's first born rests entirely as Pharaoh's fault. The Pharaoh ordered the midwives to kill all of the Hebrew's baby boys. (Exodus 1:15-22)

So the children who didn't have anything to do with Pharaoh's actions are righteously punished for them? That's an evil god that you worship.

What would be better.....allowing the children of these pagan false gods to grow to maturity and face the final judgment as unrepentant sinners?

So you should be pro-abortion. All those aborted fetuses go to Heaven and never risk falling into the wrong religion. If your logic is sound then all pregnancies should end in abortion.

God did not kill the first born of Egypt..............it was the "Destroyer" that came because of the defiance of Pharaoh who had every chance to save the children.

The Destroyer was an angel sent by God. You blame Pharaoh for the deaths of the Hebrew boys because he ordered other to do his dirty work, but you don't blame God for the murder of Egyptian children because he only ordered their deaths. Total hypocrisy on your part.

Pharaoh did not have faith as did the Hebrews who believed God when He informed them to mark their doors with the blood of a sacrifical lamb in order to save their first born.........he did not believe that God would lose such as the destroyer of life on Egypt's firstborn. Death is the destroyer.........God allowed death to take the Pharaoh's children while protecting the children of the Hebrews.

Yes, God murders children. That was my point.

Innocent children die everyday around the world.........the destroyer of life is still practicing his trade even today. Why? Mankind has been under the curse of sin/death since Adam brought sin into the world.

God created everything (Rev 4:11, Col 1:16, Eph 3:9). Thus it was God who brought sin into the world.

 

[surada]

All Children go to heaven (Deut. 1:39)...........God is OK in dishing out righteous justice. The death of Egypt's first born rests entirely as Pharaoh's fault. The Pharaoh ordered the midwives to kill all of the Hebrew's baby boys. (Exodus 1:15-22)


What would be better.....allowing the children of these pagan false gods to grow to maturity and face the final judgment as unrepentant sinners? God did not kill the first born of Egypt..............it was the "Destroyer" that came because of the defiance of Pharaoh who had every chance to save the children. Pharaoh did not have faith as did the Hebrews who believed God when He informed them to mark their doors with the blood of a sacrifical lamb in order to save their first born.........he did not believe that God would lose such as the destroyer of life on Egypt's firstborn. Death is the destroyer.........God allowed death to take the Pharaoh's children while protecting the children of the Hebrews.

Innocent children die everyday around the world.........the destroyer of life is still practicing his trade even today. Why? Mankind has been under the curse of sin/death since Adam brought sin into the world.

That's really gruesome. You know Jews and Muslims don't believe in original sin.

 

[surada]

You being silly now- I'm done with this.

What Do Islam And Judaism Think About Original Sin – OpEd

Both Islam and Judaism agree that the Christian belief in 'Original Sin' is an unwarranted and overly negative and pessimistic evaluation of the nature of human beings. The Qur'an and the Torah both teach that Allah/God made humans with a tendency toward, and a capacity for, both good behavior...

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Thus, once it got the power to do so, the Church started pushing people to be baptized and convert to Christianity; and later, forcibly, with the establishment of the Catholic Inquisition in Spain and Portugal, it started burning Jews, Muslims and non-conforming Christians at the stake when they secretly continued to practice their own religion in private.

This never happened in Muslim states that were guided by the Qur’an’s admonition: “And had your Lord willed, everyone on earth would have believed [the same religion] all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel people in order that they become believers? [NO] it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah, and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason. [10:99-100]

This is why most Muslim rulers were guided by “There is no compulsion in religion” [ 2:256] and not by “we shall drive them out from there in disgrace, and they will be abased” ( 27:37)

 

[Clyde 154]

Deut 1:39 is talking about Israel, not Heaven.


So the children who didn't have anything to do with Pharaoh's actions are righteously punished for them? That's an evil god that you worship.


So you should be pro-abortion. All those aborted fetuses go to Heaven and never risk falling into the wrong religion. If your logic is sound then all pregnancies should end in abortion.



The Destroyer was an angel sent by God. You blame Pharaoh for the deaths of the Hebrew boys because he ordered other to do his dirty work, but you don't blame God for the murder of Egyptian children because he only ordered their deaths. Total hypocrisy on your part.




Yes, God murders children. That was my point.


God created everything (Rev 4:11, Col 1:16, Eph 3:9). Thus it was God who brought sin into the world.

Death is as natural as dying.......innocent men, women and children die everyday, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Secular Humanists. Why the false concern over innocent children who will go directly into the hands of Father Abraham at death (Luke16)? Its man that brought sin into this world through the free will decisions they make. God does not and cannot control the thoughts of men.

God created men and Angels with free will...........some used this free will to sin. Angels can choose to sin as declared by Peter. (2 Peter 2:4). Sin can only be imputed by FREE WILL. Sin is the breaking of God's law. Sin is simply choosing Lawlessness over the Law. (1 John 3:4).

The scriptures prove that God does not nor cannot control the free will thoughts and actions of mankind. "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, AND EVERY IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS OF HIS HEART WAS ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY................AND IT REPENTED (turned away) THE LORD THAT HE HAD MADE MAN ON EARTH, AND IT GRIEVED HIM AT HIS HEART......." -- Genesis 6:5-6 How could God be sorry that He created mankind............IF? He had foreknowledge of the thoughts and actions of all men? He could not. God creates then allows the laws of nature that He created control His creation. God has no respect of person (Romans 2:11-16)......the Christian is not superior to all other men on earth.........its man that decides if he/she will go to heaven or hell, except with the children All CHILDREN go to heaven because they cannot discern good from evil with their limited mental capacities.......the same for the mentally challenged. "Blessed are the poor in spirit (mind)..........for theirs is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:3)


We must all attempt to become as innocent as little children......because Heaven is reflected in the heart of our children (Matthew 18:3)

The scriptures are clear............man brought sin into the world. "Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered the world and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for all have sinned." (Romans 5:12-14) If you want to Logically play your fake case of caring about the death of innocent people..........you could say that Adam caused the death of all the innocent children that has ever lived and died on earth, because death became natural when Adam chose to become like God in having the knowledge to know evil from good. The reason that God banned mankind from the Garden of Eden (life,) where the tree of life exists. God banned Adam (mankind) from the Garden when Adam became like "one of US.......the Godhead" to know right from wrong. God forbid Adam from partaking from the tree of knowledge (THE LAW)..........Adam chose to commit an act of lawlessness and make the first sin.


"And the Lord God (the godhead) declared, BEHOLD THE MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL; ..........................and now least he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live forever.............therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden......." -- Genesis 3:22-13

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Death is as natural as dying.......innocent men, women and children die everyday, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Secular Humanists. Why the false concern over innocent children who will go directly into the hands of Father Abraham at death (Luke16)? Its man that brought sin into this world through the free will decisions they make. God does not and cannot control the thoughts of men.

God created men and Angels with free will...........some used this free will to sin. Angels can choose to sin as declared by Peter. (2 Peter 2:4). Sin can only be imputed by FREE WILL. Sin is the breaking of God's law. Sin is simply choosing Lawlessness over the Law. (1 John 3:4).

The scriptures prove that God does not nor cannot control the free will thoughts and actions of mankind. "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, AND EVERY IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS OF HIS HEART WAS ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY................AND IT REPENTED (turned away) THE LORD THAT HE HAD MADE MAN ON EARTH, AND IT GRIEVED HIM AT HIS HEART......." -- Genesis 6:5-6 How could God be sorry that He created mankind............IF? He had foreknowledge of the thoughts and actions of all men? He could not. God creates then allows the laws of nature that He created control His creation. God has no respect of person (Romans 2:11-16)......the Christian is not superior to all other men on earth.........its man that decides if he/she will go to heaven or hell, except with the children All CHILDREN go to heaven because they cannot discern good from evil with their limited mental capacities.......the same for the mentally challenged. "Blessed are the poor in spirit (mind)..........for theirs is the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:3)


We must all attempt to become as innocent as little children......because Heaven is reflected in the heart of our children (Matthew 18:3)

The scriptures are clear............man brought sin into the world. "Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered the world and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for all have sinned." (Romans 5:12-14) If you want to Logically play your fake case of caring about the death of innocent people..........you could say that Adam caused the death of all the innocent children that has ever lived and died on earth, because death became natural when Adam chose to become like God in having the knowledge to know evil from good. The reason that God banned mankind from the Garden of Eden (life,) where the tree of life exists. God banned Adam (mankind) from the Garden when Adam became like "one of US.......the Godhead" to know right from wrong. God forbid Adam from partaking from the tree of knowledge (THE LAW)..........Adam chose to commit an act of lawlessness and make the first sin.


"And the Lord God (the godhead) declared, BEHOLD THE MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL; ..........................and now least he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live forever.............therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden......." -- Genesis 3:22-13

You appear to be arguing that since everybody dies then murder is not a sin. The Angel of Death was sent by God.

 

[Clyde 154]

You appear to be arguing that since everybody dies then murder is not a sin. The Angel of Death was sent by God.

What? When a criminal commits an act of violence........its called "MURDER" when he receives a death sentence for crimes against humanity? Under the Law (old testament) justice was served with and "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" (Ex. 21:24) When death (the natural enemy of all things that live called the destroyer of life -- Ex. 12:23) was allowed by God to take the first born of Egypt it was in response of the Pharaoh ordering the death of all Hebrew male children.......Pharaoh invoked his own punishment. (Ex. 1:21)

Before you attempt to match wits with the Holy Spirit of God (the author of all scripture -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17) its best not to bring an empty chamber, its clear you have never attempted to comprehend the word of God before pretending to be outraged because Death is a reality of this existence known as life.

It was God that authorized the death penalty. Would you have God contradict His own words? "Whosoever sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be spilled, for in the image of God made He man." -- Genesis 6:6 God also authorized the death of enemy children because said enemy was guilty of stealing Hebrew Children and using them for sex salves or for actual sacrifice at an alter of fire. (1 Sam. 15:3) Again.....would it be better that these children of the enemy be allowed to mature and carry on the pagan practices of their parents........or go directly to heaven as innocent children?

Again......under the OLD LAW, it was a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye. The Pharaoh sentenced his own blood line to death when he ordered the death of the first born male Hebrew children (Ex. 12:23). Under the New Testament of Grace the Law is no longer applied as a tooth for a tooth..etc., (Matthew 5:38-49) The Old Laws and Customs were nailed to the cross of Jesus Christ (Col. 2:14) God has appointed the civil governments of the world to bring justice for the crimes against humanity.........and he (the government) does not bear the sword in vain (meaning: the death sentence still applies today under the New Testament covenant for crimes against humanity).

When you reject the governing authorities you reject God. (Romans 13:1-4) I'd declare that you are not outraged in the least by the death of over 73 million children every year around the world by Abortion on Demand? No? If you are going to attempt to erect a straw man argument.....lets make it a burning man straw argument.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

What? When a criminal commits an act of violence........its called "MURDER" when he receives a death sentence for crimes against humanity? Under the Law (old testament) justice was served with and "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" (Ex. 21:24)

But the first born of every household didn't commit the crime of murdering Hebrew boys. What your saying is that if someone commits murder the proper punishment is not for him to be executed, but for his first born child to be executed. This contradicts God's own law. By God's standards, God is a sinner.

When death (the natural enemy of all things that live called the destroyer of life -- Ex. 12:23) was allowed by God to take the first born of Egypt

God didn't "allow" it, he commanded it. Your apologetics suck.

it was in response of the Pharaoh ordering the death of all Hebrew male children.......Pharaoh invoked his own punishment. (Ex. 1:21)

Pharoah's first born was punished for Pharoah's crime. Your God is evil.

Before you attempt to match wits with the Holy Spirit of God (the author of all scripture -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17) its best not to bring an empty chamber, its clear you have never attempted to comprehend the word of God before pretending to be outraged because Death is a reality of this existence known as life.

And now you're misrepresenting my argument. This smacks of desperation. You know that your God is evil, but you can allow yourself to accept it.

It was God that authorized the death penalty. Would you have God contradict His own words? "Whosoever sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be spilled, for in the image of God made He man." -- Genesis 6:6

God contradicted his own word. He didn't spill the blood of the person who spilled blood.

Again......under the OLD LAW, it was a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye. The Pharaoh sentenced his own blood line to death when he ordered the death of the first born male Hebrew children (Ex. 12:23).

No he didn't. Why? Because that's not how God's laws work. God had to violate his own laws to do what he did. That makes God a sinner.

Under the New Testament of Grace the Law is no longer applied as a tooth for a tooth..etc., (Matthew 5:38-49) The Old Laws and Customs were nailed to the cross of Jesus Christ (Col. 2:14) God has appointed the civil governments of the world to bring justice for the crimes against humanity.........and he (the government) does not bear the sword in vain (meaning: the death sentence still applies for crimes against humanity).

None of that has to do with what happened in Egypt.

When you reject the governing authorities you reject God. (Romans 13:1-4) I'd declare that you are not outraged in the least by the death of over 73 million children every year around the world by Abortion on Demand? No?

According to you it's a good thing they got aborted because it's a free pass into Heaven.

 

[Clyde 154]

But the first born of every household didn't commit the crime of murdering Hebrew boys. What your saying is that if someone commits murder the proper punishment is not for him to be executed, but for his first born child to be executed. This contradicts God's own law. By God's standards, God is a sinner.


God didn't "allow" it, he commanded it. Your apologetics suck.

Pharoah's first born was punished for Pharoah's crime. Your God is evil.


And now you're misrepresenting my argument. This smacks of desperation. You know that your God is evil, but you can allow yourself to accept it.


God contradicted his own word. He didn't spill the blood of the person who spilled blood.


No he didn't. Why? Because that's not how God's laws work. God had to violate his own laws to do what he did. That makes God a sinner.



None of that has to do with what happened in Egypt.

According to you it's a good thing they got aborted because it's a free pass into Heaven.

What? Because you keep repeating the same subjective BS over and over it becomes truth with repetition?


You are "pretending" to be outraged by a Law that has been antiquated for over 2000 years. An "eye for an eye, tooth for tooth" (Ex. 21:24)...........a Law that pertained to only one nation on earth, Biblical Israel and the Hebrew Tribes (Deut. 5:2-3). You are attempting to construct an argument constructed Not of Straw, but of chaff..........as you never mention the 73 million innocent children killed in the womb every year around the world. Where is the outrage for these murderous physicians that have taken an oath, "First do no harm......"? You don't conclude that the killing of a viable gestating human child is an act of murder? Again..........God did not kill the children of Egypt......the Destroyer (natural death) overtook the children because of the hard heart of the pharaoh.

According to YOUR LOGIC or lack thereof..........the United States is still bound by the Laws of England because of the United State's use of Blackstone's theories.

The Pharaoh chose his own punishment when he ordered the death of the Hebrews first born children. (Ex. 1:15-22) It was death (the destroyer of life) -- Ex. 12:23 that killed the children because the Pharaoh refused to repent of his murderous acts. Moses gave the Pharaoh every change to save the children of Egypt (Ex. 4:22-23) Pharaoh's Heart became hardened against the Hebrews..........just like the unrepentant Murderer he was.


Now you attempt to redefine a sentence of Justice (the children that die went straight to heaven.....if they had grown they would become unrepentant pagans serving the murderous edicts of men such as the Pharaoh. What law did God violate..........a tooth for a tooth is HIS OWN LAW under the Old Testament covenant? God's Law under the Old Testament clearly states, when the blood of the innocent is shed by man............the criminal shall have his blood spilled (Genesis 9:6)

Most importantly. You act as if you can set in Judgment of God the Creator. God requires nothing from you. But its He that will judge you as you have lived in this reality called life. Whether you want to admit it or not, YOU EXIST within GOD.....without God you don't exist. (Acts 17:26-28). Is it not a grand thing that fake individuals such as you do not hold the power or authority of judgment? You are yet to prove your illogical argument as based upon the actual content of the Word of God.

 

[surada]

It is well known that America was founded after the pattern of ancient Israel. The first of America's foundation stones were laid in Massachusetts Bay. Those who laid those stones spoke of its calling in terms of "A Holy Commonwealth" an Israel of the New World.
During the American Revolution, America's departure from English rule was linked to the exodus of Israel from the rule of Pharaoh?

What is the law of birth? Where is it? One of the distinctions that separated Israel from the nations surrounding it was the prohibition against killing of children. The Canaanites were especially known for offering their children as sacrifices to their gods. Israel was warned by their prophets NEVER to take part in such horrors.

Just before Israel's exodus from Egypt they were given a unique law concerning birth, the women, and one's children. What is the law they were given?

The Jews were Canaanites. They were just demonizing the other tribes.