What is the future of the GOP??

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I believe the GOP is in the midst of a political overhaul; what was once the party of fiscal sanity and conservatism is now too populist, trying to win votes instead of minds. There is still a part of the party that staunchly fights too much spending yet still wants a strong military and will budget a lot for money for it. That's chiefly why no deal was struck with the democrats prior to the election to compromise on the next COVID Relief Bill, and why no deal may be struck after the election either. Much depends on those 2 runoff Senate races in Georgia, it helps if the democrats do not have a majority that could abolish the filibuster and then pretty much do as they please.

Perhaps the best thing the Repubs have going for them is not Trump but the Democratic Party itself. They are in the process of a huge shift to the Left and I believe no amount of election fraud will keep them in power. So, for the immediate future the GOP will again be the Party of NO, as it should be if the democrats offer up elements of the insane Green New Deal and other equally disastrous policies. There were times while Trump was in office that the democrats refused to allow good legislation to pass in the Senate, and wouldn't compromise or cooperate at all. Case in point: Sen. Tim Scott's bill for police reform. And so I would expect the same treatment by the Repubs against Biden, even if the democrats manage to seize control of the Senate this time or in 2 years. Sometimes the GOP should say no if the legislation really is a bad idea in their minds at least, but a good idea ought to get passed unlike what the democrats did.

Interesting to see what Trump does in 2024, does he run again? He'll be 78 then, and even with the anticipated poor job that Biden will do, the animus against him probably won't be any less than it is now. He'll continue to find ways to alienate voters and I wouldn't bet the rent he'd win then either. One hopes by then the GOP is ready for a new and younger leader that doesn't have the negatives that Trump has. And more than likely the GOP's position will be much the same as the democrats' was this time: WE AIN'T THEM. IMHO, the Dems did a good job of misinformation and disinformation over the entire 4 years of Trump's term in office; the good news for the GOP is that they won't have to lie about anything like the Dems did.

There still is a sizable chunk of the GOP that is anti-Trump. With any luck he won't be the nominee again; he can say what he wants to and he does have the ear of a lot of people out there. BUT - he lost. The writing is on the wall, his lawyers don't have the evidence that will stand up in court and convince a judge or justice that election fraud occurred that was widespread enough to change the results of the election. Yes, there is election fraud, no question about that in my mind. But whether it was enough to alter the outcome has not been proven, not enough to invalidate the election. Maybe he runs again, maybe not but I dare to hope that if he does, next time he will not be the nominee. And hopefully the GOP returns somewhat to it's roots.
 

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The GOP obviously has to do something different. The last few decades conservatives have moved further right after every election loss. They are at the end of their rope. They cannot go any further right without actively seeking the overthrow of the federal government. No place to go except back towards the middle and they would be better off without the deplorable vote.
I don't think they went further right, I think they went further batshit crazy.
They had to absorb previously ignored fringe groups and they ended up taking over.
 

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His lawsuits have failed. The state election recounts have changed nothing. His "evidence" of voter fraud have failed to pass legal muster with even the most Conservative of judges. More and more states are certifying their election results. The transition of power has begun.

-Donald Trump has lost to Joe Biden-

What will the GOP look and sound like after 2020? Will Trump remain a powerful voice within the GOP? Will his legal and financial woes catch up with him? Will this 70+ year old, obese man be with us much longer? Donald Trump has pulled the GOP in a far different direction than that of Ronald Reagan. What is the future of the GOP?

Thoughts?
- We've won so many State Legislative seats that we will draw far more election maps for the next five election cycles than the Democrats will.
- Return to Majority in the House next election.
- +7 ECV for GOP states in 2024 as America continues to vote with their feet by moving from Blue States to Red States.
- State legislatures will tighten up voting procedures so that Dems can't steal another presidential election.
- Flip Joe Manchin to the GOP.

What do you see as the future of the Democrat party?
 

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I believe the GOP is in the midst of a political overhaul; what was once the party of fiscal sanity and conservatism is now too populist, trying to win votes instead of minds...
Fake News. We are NOT the party of the back-stabbing traitorous never-Trumpers. Those bastards can either join the Dems or start their own party.

Dems are the Party of Urban, Wealthy, Secular, Elitist Out of Touch Snobs and illegal immigrants and the non working able bodied.

The GOP are the party of Rural, Working Class, Middle Class, Religious and skilled and working immigrants.
... There is still a part of the party that staunchly fights too much spending yet still wants a strong military and will budget a lot for money for it...
We are the party of a strong Military that serves America First. The War Mongers want a big meddlesome military with the GOP base staffing the positions where the bullets are flying.
That's chiefly why no deal was struck with the democrats prior to the election to compromise on the next COVID Relief Bill...
Fake News. No deal was struck, because Pelosi wouldn't deal because she figured it would cost Trump the election, and it may have, but it cost Dems control of the map making process for the next five election cycles and very nearly cost Dems the majority. They lost half of their lead of the GOP and will likely lose the rest in 2022.
... why no deal may be struck after the election either...
They'll get a deal after the election. A skinny one if McConnell stays in the majority, a fatter one if Schumer takes over.
... Much depends on those 2 runoff Senate races in Georgia, it helps if the democrats do not have a majority that could abolish the filibuster and then pretty much do as they please...
Fake News. Manchin would still be the 50th vote and he has already said no creating new fake states in order to stack the Senate and no to ending the Filibuster. I hear McConnell is offering to mow his lawn for the rest of his life if he will switch parties, and as a Republican Manchin will easily be re-elected, as a Democrat, he may not.
... Interesting to see what Trump does in 2024, does he run again?...
No. He did a great job, we were lucky to have him, but, second terms are generally unproductive, he has a great life to return to and a 4 year record that is frankly amazing.

COVID POLICY AND CLASS WAR, It’s worth quoting this part because it shows a lefty with more connection to reality than most:
I, too, have been shocked at the refusal to acknowledge Trump’s wins, many of which were actually really progressive.
They weren't "progressive", they were empowering:
Thanks to his economy, the base pay of the lower 25% of wage earners rose by 4.5%, which is unprecedented in recent history (certainly, nothing like this happened under Clinton or Obama).
They told him that it couldn't be done by his American Worker First approach. He was right, they were wrong and the data speaks loudly.
He brought truly unprecedented unemployment to marginalized communities and gave millions and millions of dollars to HBCUs. He freed over 4,000 Black men from prison; men sent to prison because of Joe Biden’s crime bill. Had the Democrats not been so totally committed to their loathing of Trump, they could have gotten much more out of him. This is a man who will do literally anything to be praised on cable news.
A massive opportunity missed to rebuild our inner cities and infrastructure, but, a dream was lit, another will see it through. Dems wants their poor dependent and in squalor, relying on them for handouts, Trump gave them a glipse and a taste of freedom and self-sufficiency, that genie will not go back into the bottle, but, it will be the next generation of GOP leaders that will grab that baton.
There are a number of reasons the mainstream news media refused him that praise even for policies they should have applauded. For starters, the media realized in 2015 that hating on Trump was really, really good for business. TV ratings for CNN and MSNBC went through the roof. With Google Analytics and social media, you know exactly what stories are getting clicks, and the anti-Trump stuff did so well it literally saved the New York Times, which was struggling for its existence.
They Lying Fake News Corporatist Media Scum are exposed. The Nation now knows who they are.
This is why Trump’s name appears so often in the Times — every 250 words or so, even in places like the Food section. It’s because of the Times’ digital media business model. Like Facebook, the Times is selling its readers’ emotions to advertisers—literally. Look up “Project Feels.” The more the reader feels, the more likely they are to click on an ad. And just the name Trump makes affluent liberals see red.
They are trolling greedy scum.
In other words, digital media met an affluent liberal audience desperate to be told that the people they looked down on were evil racists and that we live in a white supremacy. So the New York Times, Vox, MSNBC, and CNN gave them what they wanted. And media companies went from being broke to making bank.
Yeah, but, folks have seen a glipse behind the curtain, and what they saw will continue to knaw at them.
All of this gets to your really smart point about the Democrats, who are supposed to be the party of the people. There was a time when Democrats represented labor, while the Republicans were all about the rich. We’ve seen a reversal of that under Trump. Trump’s economic agenda was protectionist in nature, and very much geared at the working class. (Like many Scandinavian countries, he coupled this with a big corporate tax cut early on.) Meanwhile the Democrats have doubled down on a thirty-year trajectory of going all in on college-educated voters. . . .
It was just "America First" and trade as freely with our trading "partners" and they trade with us. It made perfectly good sense, worked wonderfully, and raised working and middle class incomes like nothing has in decades.
That’s how you end up with an MSNBC host worth $25 million looking down her nose at a person without a college degree and sneering, “You voted for Trump? You racist!” and feeling like a hero.
Yes, they are vile lying trolling millionaire clickbait whores, no one but fellow travelers are impressed with them. We have far more respect for a skilled tradesperson trained is something that is actually valuable to their fellow citizens.

We have Cruz, Haley, Desantos and Pence. Who ever takes first in the primaries will pick their running mate.
... There still is a sizable chunk of the GOP that is anti-Trump....
Fake News. 93% of the GOP vote went to Trump. 94% of the Dem vote went to Biden. The vile back stabbing traitorous bastard "Lincoln Party" never-Trumpers are Benedict Arnolds that will never be welcome or trusted, ever again. We supported candidates from their wing, Dole, McCain and Romney, but, you don't get your way and instead of coming together like we did when your wing won, you plant a hatchet in our backs, twice, well, can you see which fingers are sticking up? You are dead to us, unless you are moving then you are vile and hated.
... With any luck he won't be the nominee again; he can say what he wants to and he does have the ear of a lot of people out there. BUT - he lost...
Stolen with unverified mail in votes, which the state legislators couldn't stop because ACB wasn't seated yet and Roberts is untrustworthy.
... his lawyers don't have the evidence that will stand up in court and convince a judge or justice that election fraud occurred that was widespread enough to change the results of the election. Yes, there is election fraud, no question about that in my mind. But whether it was enough to alter the outcome has not been proven...
If the signature isn't verified before the ballot is separated from it, even if the signature is later proven to be a fraud, there is no way to later tie it to a vote. Dems got away with stealing this one. It's up to the State legislatures and the Court to make sure they don't steal another one.
... hopefully the GOP returns somewhat to it's roots.
We have. The securing of individual rights. If you are hoping we will become the party of backstabbing anti-trumpers and "Lincoln Party" Benedict Arnold's, you have a sad future coming. Those bastards will never be welcome. They can't be trusted. They are bloodthirsty leeches only interested in the graft. FU. Go enjoy your new friend Joe Biden.
 
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The GOP obviously has to do something different. The last few decades conservatives have moved further right after every election loss. They are at the end of their rope. They cannot go any further right without actively seeking the overthrow of the federal government. No place to go except back towards the middle and they would be better off without the deplorable vote.
how much farther left can the democrats go?..both are hopefully at the end of their ropes.....
Think hard. Demonizing Christianity. Restrictions on freedom. Gun confiscation on the horizon......
Almost sounds like Communism huh?

You are aware of Joe's allegiance to China, right ??
you are asking the wrong person....
 

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His lawsuits have failed. The state election recounts have changed nothing. His "evidence" of voter fraud have failed to pass legal muster with even the most Conservative of judges. More and more states are certifying their election results. The transition of power has begun.

-Donald Trump has lost to Joe Biden-

What will the GOP look and sound like after 2020? Will Trump remain a powerful voice within the GOP? Will his legal and financial woes catch up with him? Will this 70+ year old, obese man be with us much longer? Donald Trump has pulled the GOP in a far different direction than that of Ronald Reagan. What is the future of the GOP?

Thoughts?
Neither the GOP nor the Jackasses have anything to do with Trump.
Both the GOP and the Jackasses suck.
 

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The GOP obviously has to do something different. The last few decades conservatives have moved further right after every election loss. They are at the end of their rope. They cannot go any further right without actively seeking the overthrow of the federal government. No place to go except back towards the middle and they would be better off without the deplorable vote.
how much farther left can the democrats go?..both are hopefully at the end of their ropes.....
Not nearly as leftist as they are made out to be. If they were Bernie Sanders would have been nominated. Progressives didn't really bitch that much either and turned out for Biden. They don't expect a miraclous leftist transformation, they just want a seat at the table and fully expect to have to compromise to get anything they want.
they are getting there.....if joey is the moderate he claims to be he would not have picked a pretty far left person like harris for his VP....
 

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The GOP obviously has to do something different. The last few decades conservatives have moved further right after every election loss. They are at the end of their rope. They cannot go any further right without actively seeking the overthrow of the federal government. No place to go except back towards the middle and they would be better off without the deplorable vote.
What policy or behavior indicates the Right has gone too far right?
Are you sure they haven’t stayed right where they’ve always been?
Take note ladies and gentlemen.......As the Left moves further left Lefties will accuse the right of moving further right...They can't stand it when the right resists and doesn't happily swallow what they are shoving down our throats.
Mac1958 will call you a "winger" and occupied will say you've moved "hard right" if you don't allow illegals to invade, offer free shit for all and if you believe chicks with dicks have mental disorders.
 

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His lawsuits have failed. The state election recounts have changed nothing. His "evidence" of voter fraud have failed to pass legal muster with even the most Conservative of judges. More and more states are certifying their election results. The transition of power has begun.

-Donald Trump has lost to Joe Biden-

What will the GOP look and sound like after 2020? Will Trump remain a powerful voice within the GOP? Will his legal and financial woes catch up with him? Will this 70+ year old, obese man be with us much longer? Donald Trump has pulled the GOP in a far different direction than that of Ronald Reagan. What is the future of the GOP?

Thoughts?
The GOP as a party lacks any cohesive ideology save grievance and conspiracy.

I imagine it will continue the same way.
 

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The GOP should be letting out a sigh of relief
Trump was soundly defeated. The Trump experiment is done. Time to reclaim the party for real Republican and real Conservative values


But no.....The GOP still lacks balls.
Trump still controls MAGA and they are afraid of him. They will continue to pander to Trumps lunacy and doom the party.
What he said.

They say when you see your opponent harming himself, that you should get out of the way.

I look forward to it.
 

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If biden gets away with stealing this election there is no future for the GOP other than shining democrats shoes in congress as the minority party

never trumper RINOs who think they have a shot at the white house in the future are just fooling themselves

we will be a china-california style one party state
Start w/the Georgia Republicans.

Burn their sorry asses to the ground I say!!!
 

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The GOP should be letting out a sigh of relief
Trump was soundly defeated. The Trump experiment is done. Time to reclaim the party for real Republican and real Conservative values


But no.....The GOP still lacks balls.
Trump still controls MAGA and they are afraid of him. They will continue to pander to Trumps lunacy and doom the party.
What he said.

They say when you see your opponent harming himself, that you should get out of the way.

I look forward to it.
Trump is a symptom of the conservative mindset's collapse into conspiratorial madness.

The GOP has no where to go but deeper into grievance and batshit. They have no plausible connection to reality to guide them to anything else.

Look at their reaction to the election results. The GOP will be more of the same for a very long time.
 

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The GOP should be letting out a sigh of relief
Trump was soundly defeated. The Trump experiment is done. Time to reclaim the party for real Republican and real Conservative values


But no.....The GOP still lacks balls.
Trump still controls MAGA and they are afraid of him. They will continue to pander to Trumps lunacy and doom the party.
Even with no Trump, conservative ideas are not popular. I'd say it may be the end for the reps as far as newly elected rep presidents. Esp true if dems can change / rig the system. Reps only have themselves to blame.
 

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In a nutshell, no pun intended, either the sane people are somehow going to be able to grab the party back, or Donald Jr. is next.
If biden gets away with stealing this election there is no future for the GOP other than shining democrats shoes in congress as the minority party

never trumper RINOs who think they have a shot at the white house in the future are just fooling themselves

we will be a china-california style one party state
They have to take the guns first.....

You ain't gonna believe what's about to come down the pike.

$200 PER GUN and PER MAGAZINE TAX (or you can REGISTER all your guns with the Feds) LMAO
As we all know, registration ALWAYS proceeds confiscation.
The Tax deal is just to squeeze you into registering...which you've done anyway if you pay the tax !!
They will use the tax to buy back the guns they confiscate.
 

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In a nutshell, no pun intended, either the sane people are somehow going to be able to grab the party back, or Donald Jr. is next.
If biden gets away with stealing this election there is no future for the GOP other than shining democrats shoes in congress as the minority party

never trumper RINOs who think they have a shot at the white house in the future are just fooling themselves

we will be a china-california style one party state
Yes, sound right.

First time I voted in 45 years...and last time. I'm going back underground.
 

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The GOP obviously has to do something different. The last few decades conservatives have moved further right after every election loss. They are at the end of their rope. They cannot go any further right without actively seeking the overthrow of the federal government. No place to go except back towards the middle and they would be better off without the deplorable vote.
how much farther left can the democrats go?..both are hopefully at the end of their ropes.....
Not nearly as leftist as they are made out to be. If they were Bernie Sanders would have been nominated. Progressives didn't really bitch that much either and turned out for Biden. They don't expect a miraclous leftist transformation, they just want a seat at the table and fully expect to have to compromise to get anything they want.
they are getting there.....if joey is the moderate he claims to be he would not have picked a pretty far left person like harris for his VP....
He didn't pick Kamel Toe, his handlers did.

The senile old fck can't pick his breakfast
 

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I believe the GOP is in the midst of a political overhaul; what was once the party of fiscal sanity and conservatism is now too populist, trying to win votes instead of minds. There is still a part of the party that staunchly fights too much spending yet still wants a strong military and will budget a lot for money for it. That's chiefly why no deal was struck with the democrats prior to the election to compromise on the next COVID Relief Bill, and why no deal may be struck after the election either. Much depends on those 2 runoff Senate races in Georgia, it helps if the democrats do not have a majority that could abolish the filibuster and then pretty much do as they please.

Perhaps the best thing the Repubs have going for them is not Trump but the Democratic Party itself. They are in the process of a huge shift to the Left and I believe no amount of election fraud will keep them in power. So, for the immediate future the GOP will again be the Party of NO, as it should be if the democrats offer up elements of the insane Green New Deal and other equally disastrous policies. There were times while Trump was in office that the democrats refused to allow good legislation to pass in the Senate, and wouldn't compromise or cooperate at all. Case in point: Sen. Tim Scott's bill for police reform. And so I would expect the same treatment by the Repubs against Biden, even if the democrats manage to seize control of the Senate this time or in 2 years. Sometimes the GOP should say no if the legislation really is a bad idea in their minds at least, but a good idea ought to get passed unlike what the democrats did.

Interesting to see what Trump does in 2024, does he run again? He'll be 78 then, and even with the anticipated poor job that Biden will do, the animus against him probably won't be any less than it is now. He'll continue to find ways to alienate voters and I wouldn't bet the rent he'd win then either. One hopes by then the GOP is ready for a new and younger leader that doesn't have the negatives that Trump has. And more than likely the GOP's position will be much the same as the democrats' was this time: WE AIN'T THEM. IMHO, the Dems did a good job of misinformation and disinformation over the entire 4 years of Trump's term in office; the good news for the GOP is that they won't have to lie about anything like the Dems did.

There still is a sizable chunk of the GOP that is anti-Trump. With any luck he won't be the nominee again; he can say what he wants to and he does have the ear of a lot of people out there. BUT - he lost. The writing is on the wall, his lawyers don't have the evidence that will stand up in court and convince a judge or justice that election fraud occurred that was widespread enough to change the results of the election. Yes, there is election fraud, no question about that in my mind. But whether it was enough to alter the outcome has not been proven, not enough to invalidate the election. Maybe he runs again, maybe not but I dare to hope that if he does, next time he will not be the nominee. And hopefully the GOP returns somewhat to it's roots.
The filter of the primaries will make any 'sizable chunk' of anti-Trump GOP members moot. Trump is merely a symptom of the descent into conspiracy that has overtaken the the GOP. And that disease is raging within the body politic of the entire conservative movement.

There's a reason that so many conservatives are fleeing from Twitter to Parler.....from Fox News to OANN: They don't want to accept a reality that contradicts the conspiracies they've embraced. And they've reached a critical mass of dissonance that forces many to surround themselves with the most obsequious catering to their fragile world view.

Where anything that makes them uncomfortable is 'fake'.

This isn't going anywhere. There's no recovering from that. The GOP has converted an enormous quantity of their followers into fragile conspiracy addicts. And addicts are going where they have to get their fix.
 

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Start w/the Georgia Republicans.

Burn their sorry asses to the ground I say!!!
Whats to stop you?

just whip out a few thousand illegal votes as needed and the dems are home free
 
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The GOP has been overwhelmed by the swamp of crazy, the lying grifters who spin bizarre conspiracy tales and falsehoods to advance their own profits and agendas.

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