Wrong answer. Start over.
First, this isn't a hate the rich thing. It's an obvious thang. Do you think that these people are fighting with their mentally ill relative to take medication? Do you think that these people are dealing with psychotic breaks in their home? Do you think these people are calling the cops on a regular basis to help them deal with said relative? They are not.
They are sent someplace else so they do not have to deal with the shit.
Second, what are they donating to? Let's have a look see at how this works
Let's look at some costs associated with mental illness. From the time of the call to the police, covering incarceration, public defenders and bench time for magistrates......who pays for that?
From the initial call to the police and admitting to a psych ward, the medication, and subsequent release..........who pays for that? It's called treat and release. You will notice they are heavily medicated and considered cured and released with prescriptions that don't get filled. This could be (and has been) repeated ad nauseum for the entire life time of an individual. Who pays for that?
Who pays for the counselor or therapist to come to the home if there is an older parent with an adult mentally ill kid with severe aggression that can't function in society and lives in that home? The whole thing is about escaping liability.
Who pays for the medication?
Who pays the disability check to the mentally ill that can cash the check and immediately buy drugs with it and lives on the streets?
I do. Taxpayers do.
Right now we are spending a plethora of money in multiple directions that are not solving the problems. There is a more cost effective way.
What do *I* do? I work with them, and the intellectually disabled, and the addicts and all kinds of people you cannot begin to wrap your brain around.
Do you think that these people are fighting with their mentally ill relative to take medication?
Yes. I know several that are. Some in my own family in fact.
They are sent someplace else so they do not have to deal with the shit.
Some no doubt. If you want that ability, then you need to earn the money to pay for it. Having high priced professional full time assisted living, is not a right. It's something you earn by working and paying for it.
It also is something you as and individual should have savings and insurance for, so that you are not too much of a burden to your family.
Second, what are they donating to? Let's have a look see at how this works
They are donating to many things. Charity care for those who can't afford to pay for it. They are donating to research for drugs and treatments that are actually effective. And they donate to direct support for families ruined by such things.
Who pays for that?
The family should. Otherwise charities should help. Like I said before, in my family, we have on occasion, helped. That's the way it should be. Help based on love. Not a dictation by left-wing radicals who use the force of government, to coerce people into helping.
When my Grand mother started losing her ability to survive on her own, my parents didn't demand a government program. They didn't try and vote for someone who said they'd fix it. They brought her into their home, and cared for her until her last day.
Who pays the disability check to the mentally ill that can cash the check and immediately buy drugs with it and lives on the streets?
I do. Taxpayers do.
This is the double talk that I expect from the left-wing.
On the one hand you complain about the cost of everything. On the other you say it's all being paid for by tax payers.
Which is it? If it's all covered by government, then what are you complaining about? If the cost to the people is so high, then how do you claim the tax payers are paying for it?
There is a better way. I agree. It's called personal responsibility, and free-market capitalism.
You are deflecting.
You are not uber wealthy. You are not in that category. Those places don't exist in the US anymore. They were closed down because the private sector said they could do the job more efficiently and more cost effective manner. They can't. In order for them to circumvent liability and hiring quality staff they have shifted it. The point is, you cannot donate to something that no longer exists.
In fact, they are closing beds in your treat and release hospitals for actively suicidal and homicidal individuals.
There is no double talk. You are simply ignorant in both the history and the system itself.
Many of these people do not have family or they cannot be physically controlled. Genetic and chromosomal disorders may also play a part and it is a case of the blind leading the blind. This is the reality.
Please provide evidence showing the reason they were closed down is because the private sector said they could do better?
See you claim that I am ignorant of history and the system, but you seem to know nothing yourself. Or at least, nothing you have said seems to fit with the reality said by people who know.
First the removal of people from state institutions, started before the 1980s.
The number of people institutionalized in California for example, peaked in 1959, at over 37,000 people. That number fell to 22,000 before Ronald Reagan ever became governor.
Contrary to your BS crap, it was the people involved in mental health care that demanded the changes.
Dr. Robert H. Felix, who was then director of the National Institute of Mental Health and a major figure in the shift to community centers, says now on reflection: ''Many of those patients who left the state hospitals never should have done so. We psychiatrists saw too much of the old snake pit, saw too many people who shouldn't have been there and we overreacted. The result is not what we intended, and perhaps we didn't ask the questions that should have been asked when developing a new concept, but psychiatrists are human, too, and we tried our damnedest.''
Here's the difference between me and you. You made endless unsupported claims. I gave you facts.
But the damning evidence continues:
The original policy changes were backed by scores of national professional and philanthropic organizations and several hundred people prominent in medicine, academia and politics. The belief then was widespread that the same scientific researchers who had conjured up antibiotics and vaccines during the outburst of medical discovery in the 50's and 60's had also developed penicillins to cure psychoses and thus revolutionize the treatment of the mentally ill.
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Finally, there was a growing economic and political liability faced by state legislators. Enormous amounts of tax revenues were being used to support the state mental hospitals, and the institutions themselves were increasingly thought of as ''snake pits'' or facilities that few people wanted.
One of the most influential groups in bringing about the new national policy was the Joint Commission on Mental Illness and Health, an independent body set up by Congress in 1955.
HOW RELEASE OF MENTAL PATIENTS BEGAN
So let's review.... shall we miss "ignorant in both the history and the system itself"?
The driving force the changed the system, was not some mythical "private sector said they could do it better".
Rather the driving force was the National Institute of Mental Health, scores of national professional, philanthropic organizations, hundred people prominent in medicine, academia and politics, and finally growing economic and political liability.
Government doesn't have magic money trees to pay for everything you want.
No private sector saying they'll do it better. No evil greedy CEOs in the mix. Ivy league professors, politicians, psychiatrists, and a Joint Commission on Mental Illness and Health setup by the government itself.
Facts. Not your BS ideologically driven lies. Facts baby.
And by the way.... the state run mental hospitals were terrible. Much as they are today if you don't know. Why do you think they wrote that book "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" in 1962, which was a Broadway play in 1963, and a movie in 1975?
You think things are much different today? Read from people who have been in them.
The Truth about Many Psychiatric Hospitals
Many times, people are treated with disrespect and like animals. They are often neglected, abused, and don’t get the help they desperately need. Many times they are given medications for the sole purpose of getting them to be quiet and not give the staff trouble and to make their jobs easier.
Patients are left to fend for themselves, given nothing to do and many times are scared due to the behavior of other patients. If you look at the Calendar of Events, you would think that the place keeps the patients busy and offers a lot to them to help with their mental illness. However. those calenders are, in my opinion, to pass the requirements from the state or whoever approves funding and have never really seen them followed.
That's your tax dollars at work. Don't you feel better about paying your taxes? See this is why right-wingers are always cutting this crap. We work hard, and then see what are tax dollars are used for. A calendar of events that never happen, so that they meet a state requirement and get funding.
And let's not forget that awesome state run mental hospital, where they left a woman to die on the floor. All those state Union employees rushing to..... stand by the wall and look at her, and the another rushes..... to roll on a chair and look at her, and the rolls back.
Good job Disir. That is all you girl. You support that system. You champion state run help. You claim the private sector can't do better. So that right there is all you.
You own it girl.
at least be mature enough to own what you support.
