What Is Slavery.

[beagle9]

Except, they were liberals.....

Yes, the people who freed the slaves were very much liberals.

You were wrong in post #14 and you're still wrong.

No, I'm not wrong. The liberal position during that time period was to end slavery. It was the conservative position to keep it going. You might want to recheck your history.

If it was a liberal position to end slavery, why did it take a conservative republican like Abraham Lincoln to do so. Also, these days, it is the liberal democrats who are all into globalization. And it was the liberal democrat Bill Clinton who really got the ball rolling with sending our jobs to poor wage slave countries.

Your problem is that you are confusing today's definitions of conservatism and liberalism as well as today's Ideolological alignment of the Republican and Democratic parties with that of 150 years ago and you can't do that. Things have changed over time.

You are a low information voter

. Are you sure about that ? Is there any way to prove what you say ?

 

[overland]

No...slavery occurred when a bunch of lazy, unchristian plantation owners were too lazy to do the work themselves. So the lousy losers used fear and torture to ensure they had labor they didn't have to pay to make their profits for them. ThNkfully most, not all, but most Americans have figured out how bad of folk those plantation owners were. China is a different matter.

I already told you that even the bible promotes slavery. And even worse. That of course includes the new testament. So how can you call the southern plantation owners un-christian. And yes. China and the other foreign countries we send jobs to is a different matter. It is even worse!!! At least the Southern plantation owners had to look out for the feeding, clothing and whatever of their slaves. But with foreign wage slaves, the U.S. doesn't have to worry about it.

Try using 1/2 % of your brain power to pick up on the historical context of slavery mentioned in the bible. It doesn't promote it but gives instruction to those at the time who had slaves. A TIME when the entire world had slaves.

The fact that plantation owners referenced scriptures to keep slaves is outweighed by Christianity being one of the major forces in abolishing slavery. Those guys were just greedy.

I don't remember reading Jesus saying anywhere that people should free their slaves.

 

[overland]

Except, they were liberals.....

Yes, the people who freed the slaves were very much liberals.

You were wrong in post #14 and you're still wrong.

No, I'm not wrong. The liberal position during that time period was to end slavery. It was the conservative position to keep it going. You might want to recheck your history.

If it was a liberal position to end slavery, why did it take a conservative republican like Abraham Lincoln to do so. Also, these days, it is the liberal democrats who are all into globalization. And it was the liberal democrat Bill Clinton who really got the ball rolling with sending our jobs to poor wage slave countries.

Your problem is that you are confusing today's definitions of conservatism and liberalism as well as today's Ideolological alignment of the Republican and Democratic parties with that of 150 years ago and you can't do that. Things have changed over time

I think Abraham Lincoln was a member of the Whigg party. Which was pretty much as the republican party. And the more that things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[beagle9]

. They were filthy rich just like your corporate CEO's are today who in some cases were practicing a form of economic enslavement, where the employees can't ever be empowered to pursue their dreams no matter how hard or how long they work.

I agree. MANY good things came from unions. But sending jobs overseas or importing cheap foreign workers is like union busting on steroids.

thats the only good thing...we can fix it after the unions are gone....

Just how stupid are you. Unions put an end to child labor. They gave workers safer working conditions and better pay. They were also responsible for 8 hour work days and two day weekends off. What do we have now with all the union busting that has been going on? The average American worker has to work harder and longer, receiving less pay and paying more in taxes to receive far less than the citizens of all the other developed countries.

. Your unions screwed you in the end, screwed themselves in the end, and screwed the workers in the end. They were powerful, and then lost it by fault of their own.

Many unions were also run by scum sucking gangsters. But that doesn't mean that unions didn't do some positive things for our country in the past. Look at Andrew Carnegie. He was definitely anti-union. He looked at the long hours and poor working conditions he subjected his workers to as survival of the fittest. As if he was actually doing humanity a favor. But what he was actually doing was stuffing his pockets as full of money as they could hold.

But as I said before, sending American jobs overseas is like union busting on steroids. So is letting illegal invader scab scum mexicans come into and stay in our country. So you can't call the diminished power of unions their own fault.

. Good points again, but you have to agree that something is broken before you can fix it. The unions weren't faultless. Many saw the idea of globalized unionism becoming the wave of the future. Think.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Yes, the people who freed the slaves were very much liberals.

You were wrong in post #14 and you're still wrong.

No, I'm not wrong. The liberal position during that time period was to end slavery. It was the conservative position to keep it going. You might want to recheck your history.

If it was a liberal position to end slavery, why did it take a conservative republican like Abraham Lincoln to do so. Also, these days, it is the liberal democrats who are all into globalization. And it was the liberal democrat Bill Clinton who really got the ball rolling with sending our jobs to poor wage slave countries.

Your problem is that you are confusing today's definitions of conservatism and liberalism as well as today's Ideolological alignment of the Republican and Democratic parties with that of 150 years ago and you can't do that. Things have changed over time

I think Abraham Lincoln was a member of the Whigg party. Which was pretty much as the republican party. And the more that things change, the more they stay the same.

The Republican and Democratic parties of today are not the same parties they were in the mid 19th century. Lincoln was an opponent of slavery which is a liberal ideal. In the same respect, he was a proponent of a powerful central government which is a left wing ideal. You guys seem to be equating Lincoln's liberalism with something bad based on those people who self identify as liberals today and that's the problem. They aren't the same people. The Founding Fathers were liberals for their time, but they would have little in common with today's liberals.

 

[overland]

You were wrong in post #14 and you're still wrong.

No, I'm not wrong. The liberal position during that time period was to end slavery. It was the conservative position to keep it going. You might want to recheck your history.

If it was a liberal position to end slavery, why did it take a conservative republican like Abraham Lincoln to do so. Also, these days, it is the liberal democrats who are all into globalization. And it was the liberal democrat Bill Clinton who really got the ball rolling with sending our jobs to poor wage slave countries.

Your problem is that you are confusing today's definitions of conservatism and liberalism as well as today's Ideolological alignment of the Republican and Democratic parties with that of 150 years ago and you can't do that. Things have changed over time

I think Abraham Lincoln was a member of the Whigg party. Which was pretty much as the republican party. And the more that things change, the more they stay the same.

The Republican and Democratic parties of today are not the same parties they were in the mid 19th century. Lincoln was an opponent of slavery which is a liberal ideal. In the same respect, he was a proponent of a powerful central government which is a left wing ideal. You guys seem to be equating Lincoln's liberalism with something bad based on those people who self identify as liberals today and that's the problem. They aren't the same people. The Founding Fathers were liberals for their time, but they would have little in common with today's liberals.

When it gets right down to it, what is democrat, republican, independent, imperialist, socialist, fascist, communist, etc. To a large degree, just horseshit labels. There are many common beliefs among all of them. For example, all of them probably provide something for the poor. All of them probably have people who deliver mail or put out house fires. All of them probably employ police. Etc.

 

[BlindBoo]

China is no threat. They got zippo.

No no, zippos are made here.

Zippo Lighters - Classics

Slavery has existed as long as society has. It was the norm until the last couple of centuries. Farming is hard work without modern equipment. Not all societies tried to keep an entire race slaves in perpetuity. The South paid a heavy price for that sin or rather for trying to secede from the union in order to continue that inhumane system.

 

[beagle9]

China is no threat. They got zippo.

No no, zippos are made here.

Zippo Lighters - Classics

Slavery has existed as long as society has. It was the norm until the last couple of centuries. Farming is hard work without modern equipment. Not all societies tried to keep an entire race slaves in perpetuity. The South paid a heavy price for that sin or rather for trying to secede from the union in order to continue that inhumane system.

. Yep, and their are those today who want to still capitalize on the events by way of accusing generation after generation of being guilty of what their acient ancestors had done. It's time that the gig is up.

 

[overland]

China is no threat. They got zippo.

No no, zippos are made here.

Zippo Lighters - Classics

Slavery has existed as long as society has. It was the norm until the last couple of centuries. Farming is hard work without modern equipment. Not all societies tried to keep an entire race slaves in perpetuity. The South paid a heavy price for that sin or rather for trying to secede from the union in order to continue that inhumane system.

. Yep, and their are those today who want to still capitalize on the events by way of accusing generation after generation of being guilty of what their acient ancestors had done. It's time that the gig is up.

Slavery STILL goes on in Africa. But Whites are the bad guys.