What is Meant When Someone Uses the Words "Un-American" or "Anti-American"

[Truthmatters]

Alpha is on SS?


ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Alpha1]

Give up your social security.

It was FORCED on me and I own it...like it or not....

You equate SS with Communism ? Are you older than 14 or 15 ?

And why change the subject ?

You claim people that preach communist ideals are un-American yet you will take social security.

I dont "take" it.....I bought it, I paid for it, I wasn't asked, I was forced under penalty of law, (note, Congress wasn't forced to take it) as you will be to buy health insurance....(note, Congress won't be forced to buy it)
\We are all FORCED to buy it....

 

[rikules]

"When people work against the majority vote because they have an extreme ideology bent that has been used by the leaders of their political party. That is often classic anti Americanism."

Classic, huh ?

Like fighting against the majority that voted for slavery and to make black people 3/5 of person ?
Yeah, thats extreme alright....thats unAmerican ?....

I know you are not suggesting that conservatives were ever against slavery. They are the ones celebrating the "Confederacy". What does that tell you?

It has nothing to do with conservative or liberal...those definitions change with the times and are only relative to one another....their are degrees of liberalism and degrees of conservatism and much they hold in common....

Republicans freed the slaves and fought for their rights, meager as they were at the time....democrats fought civil rights and went to war to keep slavery a part of their lives...thats history (short version)....aborations here and there for sure, not worth debating every nuance over the years...

You have chosen to SPIN the truth in a MISLEADING WAY

That makes you something of a liar.

the truth;

NORTHERNERS freed the slaves.

other than freedom, they didn't really fight for "their rights"

CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN SOUTHERNERS fought to maintain slavery
(complete with whippings and beatings!.....)


after the civil war (until the late 1960's)
CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN SOUTHERNERS violently opposed civil rights and equality for blacks


NORTHERN ACLU LIBERALS worked (and were beaten and sometimes killed by SOUTHERN CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS) to establish civil rights and equality for blacks

basically
CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS supported slavery, inequality and discrimination and MURDERED blacks and white aclu liberals

LIBERAL CHRISTIANS opposed slavery, discrimination and inequality and were MURDERED by CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS

you are completely wrong to minimize the importance of who did what to whom....

CONSERVATIVES enslaved and murdered
LIBERALS fought for freedom

 

[JScott]

It was FORCED on me and I own it...like it or not....

You equate SS with Communism ? Are you older than 14 or 15 ?

And why change the subject ?

You claim people that preach communist ideals are un-American yet you will take social security.

I dont "take" it.....I bought it, I paid for it, I wasn't asked, I was forced under penalty of law, (note, Congress wasn't forced to take it) as you will be to buy health insurance....(note, Congress won't be forced to buy it)

How much do you think you paid in? Would it last 30 or 40 more years after you retire?

How about if the government gave you exactly the amount you paid in and cut off funds. That cool with you?

 

[Alpha1]

Alpha is on SS?


ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

And so are you, braindead....Its the law....and you're not "on" it, you're "in" it.

 

[Truthmatters]

No one has to accept the SS checks fella

 

[rikules]

Its no more name calling than to say, "See that fat guy or see that tall guy...
Its a description....
Just because you're born in American doesn't mean you can't be unAmerican or hold unAmerican ideals.....

Calling someone un-American is name calling. No one is in the capacity of deeming someone un-American.

The principles of Communism and Communists states have been recognized as enemies of the United States for a hundred years ....so I conclude those that preach that philosophy over the type of Constitutional government we now have ...are by definition UN-American....and I claim the "capacity" , (the right) to make that claim and hold that view, whether you like it or not....

religious fundamentalists who believe that THEIR religion should be the source of law in America are ALSO VERY UN-American.

 

[JScott]

I also keep hearing this line: "Let's take our country back".

What is that supposed to mean?? Back from whom???

Lets take our country back
From the politicians that:

make laws for us that they don't have to live by
give themselves raises while unemployment is rampent
demand 747's to fly their asses all over the world at my expense
that spend money that doesn't exist
that are bankrupting the nation
that are taking over private industry
that are indoctrinating the children against their parents beliefs

I could go on and on, but whats the point.

Because most of your points are baseless.

 

[Alpha1]

You claim people that preach communist ideals are un-American yet you will take social security.

I dont "take" it.....I bought it, I paid for it, I wasn't asked, I was forced under penalty of law, (note, Congress wasn't forced to take it) as you will be to buy health insurance....(note, Congress won't be forced to buy it)

How much do you think you paid in? Would it last 30 or 40 more years after you retire?

How about if the government gave you exactly the amount you paid in and cut off funds. That cool with you?

How about they give me what I figure I would have earned with it.....?

I'll do the math, I know best what I would have earned .....

 

[JScott]

I dont "take" it.....I bought it, I paid for it, I wasn't asked, I was forced under penalty of law, (note, Congress wasn't forced to take it) as you will be to buy health insurance....(note, Congress won't be forced to buy it)

How much do you think you paid in? Would it last 30 or 40 more years after you retire?

How about if the government gave you exactly the amount you paid in and cut off funds. That cool with you?

How about they give me what I figure I would have earned with it.....?

I'll do the math, I know best what I would have earned .....

You didnt answer my question.

 

[uscitizen]

What is Meant When Someone Uses the Words "Un-American" or "Anti-American"

It used to mean they are a Bush supporter and you are not.
Not sure what it means now.

 

[Truthmatters]

I personally know several right leaning people who swore they would never take the money and its now their main income.

 

[Alpha1]

I also keep hearing this line: "Let's take our country back".

What is that supposed to mean?? Back from whom???

Lets take our country back
From the politicians that:

make laws for us that they don't have to live by
give themselves raises while unemployment is rampent
demand 747's to fly their asses all over the world at my expense
that spend money that doesn't exist
that are bankrupting the nation
that are taking over private industry
that are indoctrinating the children against their parents beliefs

I could go on and on, but whats the point.

Because most of your points are baseless.

well school me sonny, start at the top....with SOC.SEC. law....laws against being able to sue them, they will be exempt from the new healthcare crap..., paying for their auto ins. and auto leases, their private gym,...
their meals and bar tabs....etc

 

[rikules]

Caging (voter suppression) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think this is clearly unAmerican



1980s
In 1981 and 1986 the Republican National Committee (RNC) sent out letters to predominately African-American neighborhoods. When tens of thousands of them were returned undeliverable, the party successfully challenged the voters and had them deleted from voting rolls. Due to the violation of the Voting Rights Act, the RNC was taken to court. Its officials entered a consent decree which prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that targeted minorities or conducting mail campaigns to "compile voter challenge lists."[5]

[edit] 2004 US Election
BBC journalist Greg Palast obtained an RNC document entitled "State Implementation Template III.doc" that described Republican election operations for caging plans in numerous states. The paragraph in the document pertaining to caging was:

Wanting....yes, demanding that elections are fair is totally and unequivocally American in every way....to make an effort that voters are registered according to the laws now in place and vote in their designated districts is the DUTY of every American.....
Demanding that only lawful citizens vote is our DUTY.

"Demanding that only lawful citizens vote is our DUTY. "


define "lawful citizen"


is an atheist a "lawful citizen"?

according to g bush the 1st they are NOT....

g bush the first would DENY ATHEISTS the right to vote


some con on these boards just recently posted a thread suggesting that people on welfare NOT be allowed to vote...

some fundamentalist christians believe that America is a christian ntion and that ONLY christians be allowed to vote, teach in schools, serve in the military, hold public office

 

[JScott]

Lets take our country back
From the politicians that:

make laws for us that they don't have to live by
give themselves raises while unemployment is rampent
demand 747's to fly their asses all over the world at my expense
that spend money that doesn't exist
that are bankrupting the nation
that are taking over private industry
that are indoctrinating the children against their parents beliefs

I could go on and on, but whats the point.

Because most of your points are baseless.

well school me sonny, start at the top....with SOC.SEC. law....laws against being able to sue them, they will be exempt from the new healthcare crap..., paying for their auto ins. and auto leases, their private gym,...
their meals and bar tabs....etc

Answer my other question and ill school ya.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

What is Meant When Someone Uses the Words "Un-American" or "Anti-American" about another American?...

...

When I hear the terms...

I think of former US Senator Joe McCarthy, The John Birch Society, The KKK, The American Nazi Party(s), Colonialist Torries, Terrorists, The Weather Underground, The SLA, The Confederacy, Racists, Bigots, Religious haters, and more...

I do know some of these groups were welcomed into the GOP of today.

 

[mudwhistle]

I wish elections mattered to people.

When we have a litgitimate election then theresults should be respected.

There are a few Americans today who dont think elections matter.

So you want a dictatorship.

We must all obey because enough people voted for this guy.

We can't say a fucken word regardless what he does....is that correct?

 

[Samson]

I don't see how socialism and freedom are not synonymous (especially when I look at almost all other Western democracies...) unless one believes freedom means acquiring wealth and property.

If you cannot se the difference between socialism and freedom, then there's not much point in dicussing what is meant by Un-American with you.

 

[JScott]

Caging (voter suppression) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think this is clearly unAmerican



1980s
In 1981 and 1986 the Republican National Committee (RNC) sent out letters to predominately African-American neighborhoods. When tens of thousands of them were returned undeliverable, the party successfully challenged the voters and had them deleted from voting rolls. Due to the violation of the Voting Rights Act, the RNC was taken to court. Its officials entered a consent decree which prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that targeted minorities or conducting mail campaigns to "compile voter challenge lists."[5]

[edit] 2004 US Election
BBC journalist Greg Palast obtained an RNC document entitled "State Implementation Template III.doc" that described Republican election operations for caging plans in numerous states. The paragraph in the document pertaining to caging was:

Wanting....yes, demanding that elections are fair is totally and unequivocally American in every way....to make an effort that voters are registered according to the laws now in place and vote in their designated districts is the DUTY of every American.....
Demanding that only lawful citizens vote is our DUTY.

"Demanding that only lawful citizens vote is our DUTY. "


define "lawful citizen"


is an atheist a "lawful citizen"?

according to g bush the 1st they are NOT....

g bush the first would DENY ATHEISTS the right to vote


some con on these boards just recently posted a thread suggesting that people on welfare NOT be allowed to vote...

some fundamentalist christians believe that America is a christian ntion and that ONLY christians be allowed to vote, teach in schools, serve in the military, hold public office

Lets just be glad these extremists dont run our government. And lets be clear, there are extremists on both sides of the aisle.

 

[Alpha1]

Caging (voter suppression) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think this is clearly unAmerican



1980s
In 1981 and 1986 the Republican National Committee (RNC) sent out letters to predominately African-American neighborhoods. When tens of thousands of them were returned undeliverable, the party successfully challenged the voters and had them deleted from voting rolls. Due to the violation of the Voting Rights Act, the RNC was taken to court. Its officials entered a consent decree which prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that targeted minorities or conducting mail campaigns to "compile voter challenge lists."[5]

[edit] 2004 US Election
BBC journalist Greg Palast obtained an RNC document entitled "State Implementation Template III.doc" that described Republican election operations for caging plans in numerous states. The paragraph in the document pertaining to caging was:

Wanting....yes, demanding that elections are fair is totally and unequivocally American in every way....to make an effort that voters are registered according to the laws now in place and vote in their designated districts is the DUTY of every American.....
Demanding that only lawful citizens vote is our DUTY.

"Demanding that only lawful citizens vote is our DUTY. "


define "lawful citizen"


is an atheist a "lawful citizen"?

according to g bush the 1st they are NOT....

g bush the first would DENY ATHEISTS the right to vote


some con on these boards just recently posted a thread suggesting that people on welfare NOT be allowed to vote...

some fundamentalist christians believe that America is a christian ntion and that ONLY christians be allowed to vote, teach in schools, serve in the military, hold public office

Really.... you want me to address all your inane bullshit.....

Well, I can't play with right now, I'd rather watch the sky get darker...