What is Meant by "Well Regulated"?

[Billy_Bob]

Actually every day there isn't a mass shooting in them, is a day a gun free zone stopped a mass shooting.

So the last time was just now.

Bull shit... Your thought pattern is twisted...

 

[Natural Citizen]

…where Madison explains that lawfully authorized state militias, organized and regulated by state governments, not armed private citizens, would provide initial

This topic has been intrduced here many, many times, Clayton. I've shared my thoughts on it in great detail at times. And just in casual passing at other times.

The conversation has been had.

I'm just not doing it again, respectfully.

Which is why I left it at advising those who are interested in the topic to see Federalist numbers 28 and 46.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Actually every day there isn't a mass shooting in them, is a day a gun free zone stopped a mass shooting.

So the last time was just now.

Well, by that logic, places where concealed carry is allowed are very rarely attacked, if ever. That means gun permissable zones are far more safer. How many times have gun stores, where all the employees are armed, was attacked?

 

[meaner gene]

The Milita is "WE THE PEOPLE" it was not a standing army. SO, it meant the average PEROSON not a state-run organization. It was the states obligation to the citizens not to infringe on their rights but give them training and the items necessary to keep them functional.

Absolutely wrong. The militas were military units organized by the colonies (states).
We the people, would not be member of the militia, as they would instead be conscripted into the army or the navy,

 

[ThisIsMe]

I don’t have any firearms
I don’t need one

I have a big stick with a nail in it
Nobody fuks with rightwinger

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Awesome, then it wouldn't apply to you.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The 2nd gave the reason why the people had the right to keep and bear arms.
If that right was unfettered, the first clause would be unnecessary.

The first clause justifies the right to infringed gun ownership.

 

[rightwinger]

It happens slot.

8 Times Law-Abiding Citizens Saved Lives With an AR-15

Law-abiding citizens purchase millions of AR-15s (and similar rifles) for one very important reason: They are great for self-defense.

www.dailysignal.com

When was the last time a gun free zone stopped a mass shooting?

When was the last time a mass shooting occurred at a major sports stadium or airport?

Those are gun free zones

 

[meaner gene]

Bull shit... Your thought pattern is twisted...

It's no different than asking when was the last time speed limits, stopped somebody from speeding.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Absolutely wrong. The militas were military units organized by the colonies (states).
We the people, would not be member of the militia, as they would instead be conscripted into the army or the navy,

NO! This is wrong. In the beginning, at the time of founding and writing of the Constitution the militias were groups of citizens not organized groups. That occurred later in the timeline. The people held the arms to protect themselves. The states were required to give them training and supply them with powder and lead to keep them functional.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Absolutely wrong. The militas were military units organized by the colonies (states).
We the people, would not be member of the militia, as they would instead be conscripted into the army or the navy,

The states held their own drafts during the Civil War.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If they aren't creating a danger, then there's no need to ban them. If they are creating a danger, then we need to be armed so we can defend ourselves. You can't have it both ways.

You don’t 'need' an AR 15 to defend yourself – there are other firearms much better suited for that purpose, such as handguns and shotguns.

And the notion of needing an AR 15 to ‘defend against’ the government is ignorant idiocy; neither the Second Amendment nor its case law support insurrectionist dogma.

But that’s not why AR 15s shouldn’t be banned.

You and others on the right need to stop with ignorant nonsense about ‘defending yourself’ and opposing ‘government tyranny’ in opposition to AWBs and magazine capacity restrictions.

The valid and compelling reason to oppose AWBs and magazine capacity restrictions is advocacy of limited government and opposition to government excess and overreach.

Moreover, bans on assault weapons and magazine capacity restrictions should be opposed because they simply don’t work, bans rarely do – whether it’s abortion, drugs, or guns, ‘bans’ are ineffective and useless.

 

[meaner gene]

Well, by that logic, places where concealed carry is allowed are very rarely attacked, if ever. That means gun permissable zones are far more safer. How many times have gun stores, where all the employees are armed, was attacked?

Wrong again. The numbers have far more impermissible zones, than permissible zones, hence they accumulate more "mass murder" free occurrences.
Making them numerically safer.

 

[Billy_Bob]

The whole point of the 2nd Amendment was to keep "we the people" armed and functional. This was meant to be a national approach to deterring any standing army from attacking us. It was meant to keep anyone, including our own government from taking our rights, given by God. That is why it was few words and very succinct in its verbiage. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed". The term "keep" is to own. The term "bear" means the ammunitions, parts, and other things necessary to keep the arms functional could not be regulated. It is not possible to gain any government authority to "regulate" any of this and it was written this way on purpose.

 

[Billy_Bob]

It's no different than asking when was the last time speed limits, stopped somebody from speeding.

Wrong, the framers were very succinct for a reason. here

 

[westwall]

LOL

Working order means properly organized, trained and lead

Nope. It means in good working order.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yes we can

We can ban weapons that have no purpose other than slaughter young children

When was the last time an AR-15 with 35 round magazine was used to stop a mass killing?

Again, ‘bans’ won’t work.

Just as women in red states will continue to have abortions after Roe is struck down, so too will private citizens continue to possess and have access to AR 15s and similar rifles and carbines if those weapons were to be ‘banned.’

Although it’s true that there’s no valid justification for private citizens to possess AR 15s, that’s not a legitimate reason to seek they be ‘banned’ – more government is rarely the answer, particularly when such regulation is ineffective and useless.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The reference to ‘regulated’ implies government control, in that firearms be ‘in proper working order.’

And the Supreme Court in Presser reaffirmed the fact that ‘militia’ exist only when sanctioned by the states or Federal government – i.e., government controlled.

I don't think that's what it means.

A well regulated militia, being necessary for a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Ok, so, what is well regulated? The Militia. For what reason? The security of a free state. What is needed? The people to have free access to firearms.

So, to me, if access to firearms is what is needed to have a well regulated militia, then it's not about government rules, it's about being properly trained, armed, and prepared. That's what "well regulated" appears to mean in this context, no?

 

[westwall]

…authorized and controlled by government – and government alone.

A laughable assertion given this.....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That is NOT why they fought for freedom

They fought to have a say in how they were governed

The men at Lexington and Concord would tar and feather your lying ass

 

[bigrebnc1775]

…authorized and controlled by government – and government alone.

Joe Stalin agrees with you.