What is Gerrymandering? Is there a solution?

[Maryland Patriot]

How do you stop it?

If you had a consolidated Democrat government, they could potentially write new laws to reduce it.

The Republicans would never support something like that, since it would destroy them.

The demrats would just do their own gerrymandering like they always do when they control the process.

The courts will declare it unconstitutional and set standards for setting districts

The courts have already ruled on gerrymandering and they have repeatedly found it as not being unconstitutional unless the gerrymandering was to disenfranchise a certain racial group

but, if that gerrymandering is done to enhance the voice of that certain racial group at the expense of the non protected racial group, then it is perfectly ok to do whatever is needed.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

The way to fix gerrymandering is to take the job of drawing districts away from the politicians and put it in the hands of the citizens

How does that work?

could be done by counties.

 

[FJO]

What is Gerrymandering from your perspective?

Is it bad?

Is it good?

If it is bad, how do you fix it?

It is an offense to democracy and decency and an insult to the intelligence of voters. Both parties do it, with enthusiastic abandon and vigor, whenever they are in power.

 

[Onyx]

could be done by counties.

Then you just upgrade county politics to national politics.

That is essentially adding another layer of filth.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

could be done by counties.

Then you just upgrade county politics to national politics.

That is essentially adding another layer of filth.

whats the difference, a county is an imaginary line drawn, a district is an imaginary line drawn.
Besides it makes more sense to do it that way, People then have more control of the county they live in. It would be nice to be able to keep all of the taxes collected for school in the county that the specific tax payer lives. Taking money from someone in one county to pay for the schools in another is not a fair and equitable way of doing things.

 

[presonorek]

there are algorithms written and created that can separate the districts, without political posturing.

I know but somebody is going to cry foul no matter where the lines are drawn. You can't take the politics out of the process. It is impossible. Gerrymandering is a convenient excuse to hate the other guy when you don't have anything substantial. It's silly talk. Too bad voters are idiots.

Yes, you can take the Politics out of it, this is precisely what the Algorithm does...google it!

Human nature trumps math every single time. The losing party is going to cry foul and accuse the map of being gerrymandered if.............

if they have no other negatives to use against the winning party. It doesn't matter. It's a very convenient scapegoat. It can't be proven. It can't be disproved. The maps have to be redrawn every ten years. Somebody is going to cry no matter how fair you do it. It's just too easy. You can take the politics out of the methodology but you can't eliminate the political aftermath once the maps have been drawn fairly.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

there are algorithms written and created that can separate the districts, without political posturing.

I know but somebody is going to cry foul no matter where the lines are drawn. You can't take the politics out of the process. It is impossible. Gerrymandering is a convenient excuse to hate the other guy when you don't have anything substantial. It's silly talk. Too bad voters are idiots.

Yes, you can take the Politics out of it, this is precisely what the Algorithm does...google it!

Human nature trumps math every single time. The losing party is going to cry foul and accuse the map of being gerrymandered if.............

if they have no other negatives to use against the winning party. It doesn't matter. It's a very convenient scapegoat. It can be proven. It can't be disproved. The maps have to be redrawn every ten years. Somebody is going to cry no matter how fair you do it. It's just too easy. You can take the politics out of the methodology but you can't eliminate the political aftermath once the maps have been drawn fairly.

what consitutes fair? making sure that the blacks have a greater voice or maybe drawing lines that make sense. In other words, if you have two large sections of a district that are essenstially connected by 4 or 5 miles of one street with 2 or three houses on it, does that make sense when the next street over is another district?
as long as districts are drawn by racial numbers instead of by number of residents regardless of race, it can never be done fair.

 

[IsaacNewton]

there are algorithms written and created that can separate the districts, without political posturing.

That is what is needed and both major parties removed from determining the districts. There are millions that don't belong to either major party and they are entitled to as much representation as anyone else. But the American people allow it to continue so it won't stop.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Your complaint isn't gerrymandering. It's equality. Without gerrymandering there would not be any black majority voting districts. In order to have black voting districts you have gerrymandering. With equality you cannot have just black districts. Everyone is equally able to have carved out voting districts.

Get rid of equality, no problem.

 

[OKTexas]

Repubs couldn't get elected without it.

They have even admitted that.

Yeah right, that's why you regressives have used the courts to cut out minority districts. They give us real smart people in congress like shelia jackass lee. that dipshit that thought Guam would tip over, waters and many more morons.

^doesn't get gerrymandering tactics.

Look up packing and cracking, and why it is done.

I know exactly what it means, I also know you can bet someone will challenge redistricting in the courts, usually regressives to carve out minority districts in a red state, because that's the only way they can get regressives elected. If I had my way they would make districts as square as possible to get equal numbers of eligible citizens in them. They would be determined by numbers, nothing else.

If you did that then someone would complain that you did that to your advantage. You'd be accused of gerrymandering just because you were on the committee that redrew the lines.

Imagine arresting people for doing their job. It's fucking retarded.

It doesn't matter, no one follows the Constitution on representation anyways.

 

[OKTexas]

there are algorithms written and created that can separate the districts, without political posturing.

I know but somebody is going to cry foul no matter where the lines are drawn. You can't take the politics out of the process. It is impossible. Gerrymandering is a convenient excuse to hate the other guy when you don't have anything substantial. It's silly talk. Too bad voters are idiots.

Yes, you can take the Politics out of it, this is precisely what the Algorithm does...google it!

So how would it account for people who shouldn't be counted?

 

[OKTexas]

How do you stop it?

If you had a consolidated Democrat government, they could potentially write new laws to reduce it.

The Republicans would never support something like that, since it would destroy them.

The demrats would just do their own gerrymandering like they always do when they control the process.

The courts will declare it unconstitutional and set standards for setting districts

The courts have already ruled on gerrymandering and they have repeatedly found it as not being unconstitutional unless the gerrymandering was to disenfranchise a certain racial group

Except when the court mandates boundaries that will assure a certain ethnic group will be elected. Which they do all the time.

 

[WorldWatcher]

whats the difference, a county is an imaginary line drawn, a district is an imaginary line drawn.
Besides it makes more sense to do it that way, People then have more control of the county they live in. It would be nice to be able to keep all of the taxes collected for school in the county that the specific tax payer lives. Taking money from someone in one county to pay for the schools in another is not a fair and equitable way of doing things.

There are over 3000 counties in the United States.

The most populous county in the country is Los Angeles County with 9,818,605 and the least populous county is Loving Texas with 82.

So you have a House with 3,000 reps and is some cases representing millions and in other cases less than 100?


Makes no sense.


>>>>

 

[OKTexas]

could be done by counties.

Then you just upgrade county politics to national politics.

That is essentially adding another layer of filth.

whats the difference, a county is an imaginary line drawn, a district is an imaginary line drawn.
Besides it makes more sense to do it that way, People then have more control of the county they live in. It would be nice to be able to keep all of the taxes collected for school in the county that the specific tax payer lives. Taking money from someone in one county to pay for the schools in another is not a fair and equitable way of doing things.

What do you do when a single country contains several districts? Like Harris Co, TX.

 

[12icer]

Stupidest thing I ever heard of that Republicans are gerrymandering, just another damn liberal shit lie. The dimscumshitcrats use the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to gerrymander districts to get representatives from voting blocks that vote for them. Like all of the GOVERNMENT REDRAWING OF REPRESENTATIVES DISTRICTS IN THE SOUTH to make a minority voting district with lines that don't even intersect sometimes. Liberals are always full of shit when they cry. IF the districts were drawn and stabilized there would only be the problem of the dimshitscum and the electoral college being gerrymandered to give them a huge advantage. If the district votes were bound to vote the way their districts citizens vote, instead of the way the state wanted them to all votes would really count. As it is cities like LA, and NYC control an entire states electoral votes while almost 45 percent of the total votes in their states are Republican. If you look at the house of representatives you see how America really votes these days.

 

[presonorek]

there are algorithms written and created that can separate the districts, without political posturing.

I know but somebody is going to cry foul no matter where the lines are drawn. You can't take the politics out of the process. It is impossible. Gerrymandering is a convenient excuse to hate the other guy when you don't have anything substantial. It's silly talk. Too bad voters are idiots.

Yes, you can take the Politics out of it, this is precisely what the Algorithm does...google it!

Human nature trumps math every single time. The losing party is going to cry foul and accuse the map of being gerrymandered if.............

if they have no other negatives to use against the winning party. It doesn't matter. It's a very convenient scapegoat. It can be proven. It can't be disproved. The maps have to be redrawn every ten years. Somebody is going to cry no matter how fair you do it. It's just too easy. You can take the politics out of the methodology but you can't eliminate the political aftermath once the maps have been drawn fairly.

what consitutes fair? making sure that the blacks have a greater voice or maybe drawing lines that make sense. In other words, if you have two large sections of a district that are essenstially connected by 4 or 5 miles of one street with 2 or three houses on it, does that make sense when the next street over is another district?
as long as districts are drawn by racial numbers instead of by number of residents regardless of race, it can never be done fair.

It will never be fair. It will never be unfair. That's the point I am making. This is just a convenient non-issue when real issues do not exist or real issues need to be avoided. Gerrymandering is a buzz word that pisses people off.

By the way. The Supreme Court has ruled that you can't draw maps by taking race into consideration anymore.

 

[presonorek]

what consitutes fair?

It is only fair when all districts have an equal number of people living in the districts. lol he he he ha ha ha ha

 

[Manonthestreet]

Repubs couldn't get elected without it.

They have even admitted that.

Ya mean Congressional Black caucus would disappear without it