Trump’s power to declare a national emergency is a national emergency.

[Flopper]

There is no need for congress to define and emergency. The one in the dictionary is certainly sufficient.

An emergency is an urgent, sudden, and serious event or an unforeseen change in circumstances​

There is nothing urgent, sudden nor unforeseen about migrants crossing the border or a steadily increasing trade deficit. These problems have been with us for over 40 years. However, Donald Trump enters office and they are now national emergencies.

The 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) grants the U.S. President broad authority to regulate international commerce and financial transactions in response to an unusual and extraordinary threat. These threats are neither unusual nor extraordinary.

This legislation was passed to give the president extraordinary powers to act more rapidly than congress can in an emergency.

I'm surprised, the Supreme Court has not come down hard on Trump for misusing the act.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Pretty sure every President has had that power also pretty sure they have all stretched what constitutes a national emergency.

Probably did. How many of them are doing it in the manner which Trump is doing it though? It feels like what the South Korea ex-president did earlier this year

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

The orange retard still thinks the US makes $$$ off tariffs, Trump imposed.

California sues the Trump administration over ...​

NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › politics-news › ca...
11 hours ago — Gavin Newsom and state Attorney General Rob Bonta sued the Trump administration in federal court Wednesday over President Donald Trump's ...

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, argues that Trump doesn't have the presidential authority to unilaterally impose tariffs using the International Economic Emergency Powers Act because it "violates the separations-of-powers doctrine."


"Trump claims this law is the reason he can impose these tariffs, and he is wrong," Bonta said at a news conference alongside Newsom in Stanislaus County, in California's Central Valley. "The truth is the IEEPA does not apply here. Trump has had to resort to creating bogus national emergencies that defy reason."

The lawsuit argues that Trump can't use the International Economic Emergency Powers Act to unilaterally impose tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China or create an across-the-board 10% tariff.

Trump has imposed tariffs on most foreign countries, with China facing the largest, 145%, and other nations facing 10% after he backed off last week from implementing higher duties for 90 days.

Trump touted the tariffs as he spoke to reporters at the White House on Tuesday, saying: "We're making tremendous amounts of money, taking in billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs from other countries that, for many, many decades, just ripped off the United States. And it’s time that we not allow that to happen."

 

[cnm]

Trump [...] is a national emergency.​

FIFY

 

[MisterBeale]

They just give more power to the executive when that power doesnt even exist.

Bingo.

They just made that shit up. Im just calling your stupid ass out.

Nope, that is in fact the justification for the administration taking action.

Tariffs & the US Constitution

No emergency means there is no lawful basis for Trump’s imposition of the tariffs, writes Andrew P. Napolitano. Nor is there any constitutional basis for the underlying statute. By Andrew P. Napolitano “No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of man

consortiumnews.com

". . . Emergency Powers Act

In 1977, Congress enacted the International Economic Emergency Powers Act. This law permitted the president to impose tariffs on goods emanating from outside the U.S. in the case of an economic emergency. The statute defined an emergency as a sudden and unexpected event that adversely affects U.S. national security or economic prosperity.

Cognizant of the “emergency” trigger for the exercise of this unique power, the Trump administration initially offered that the introduction of fentanyl into the U.S. by foreign persons was the emergency. When advisers related to the president that the tariffs he contemplated would affect dozens of foreign countries producing hundreds of goods and services as to which there is no connection to fentanyl, the administration claimed the U.S. imbalance of trade as the emergency trigger.

The imbalance of trade means that persons and businesses in the U.S. spend more money on the goods and services that they buy from foreign sellers than they receive from sales of goods and services to foreign buyers. The executive order signed last week by Trump reflects that the U.S. has experienced this trade imbalance since 1934! Thus, by definition, it is not a sudden or unexpected event, and thus, it is not an emergency as defined in the statute.

No emergency means there is no lawful basis for Trump’s imposition of the tariffs.

There is also no constitutional basis for the statute. The Constitution reposes the power to tax exclusively into the hands of Congress. The Framers were so determined to keep that power there that they even required in the Constitution that all taxes emanate in the House of Representatives. Since this Trump sales tax emanated in the White House, it violates the Constitution.

Can Congress give the power to tax to the president? In a word: NO."

Trump's tariffs raise some constitutional questions: Judge Andrew Napolitano | National Report​

Apr 9, 2025
"On Thursday's "National Report," Judge Andrew Napolitano discussed the constitutional legality of President Trump's tariffs on China, as a lawsuit argues he lacks the authority to impose taxes without Congress."

International Emergency Economic Powers Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

". . . It essentially means that any legislation to undo the national emergency declaration Trump used to impose tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China would have to go through a process subject to approval by House GOP leadership, rather than under a fast-track process that Democrats were hoping to utilize.

Democrats are fuming at the legislation, with Reps. Don Beyer (D-Va.) and Suzan DelBene (D-Wash.) — members of the House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Trade — issuing a joint statement slamming it. . . "

House GOP blocks Democrats from forcing vote on repealing Trump tariffs​

03/11/25 5:39 PM ET

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5189410-house-gop-democrats-repealing-trump-tariffs/

House Republicans block Congress' ability to challenge Trump tariffs​

March 11, 2025

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/house-republicans-block-congress-ability-challenge-trump-tariffs-2025-03-11/

 

[sparky]

National emergences is when 'we the peeps' no longer applies.....~S~

 

[cnm]

Can you show that trading partners are not looking to make a deal?

The hilarious thing is that Chump is supposedly looking to contain China in the Pacific. Way to go about it.

New Zealand, Australia speak with EU, others about bolstering free trade against US tariffs​

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-pm-prepares-speak-world-leaders-buttressing-free-trade-2025-04-09/

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[j-mac]

Yeah, this was not an "emergency".

The guy naturally communicates in childlike hyperbole and transparent superlatives, and he somehow makes people believe it. I'm not sure why that is.

But you hit on something that took me a long time to see: This is who we are, and no, a great nation doesn't choose a person like as its leader.

That was a tough lesson for me to learn.

 

[the watcher]

The terms national interest, national security, and now national emergency have been used to facilitate a wagon load of things that have nothing to do with the wellbeing of the people. For a very long time. There is nothing that can be called in the name of national approval, that has been replaced by national apathy.

 

[Meathead]

Why can Trump just say everything is an “emergency” and do whatever he wants?

When President Donald Trump announced his tariffs last week, he also declared a national emergency. According to the White House, the emergency in question is “the large and persistent trade deficit,” or the fact that the United States imports more goods than it exports.

If you’re confused about why that’s an emergency, you’re not alone. So are experts. But regardless of whether the trade deficit is an actual crisis (it isn’t), the reason Trump declared an emergency is straightforward: He wanted to invoke his emergency powers — specifically those granted to him under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act — to quickly implement his new trade policy. (Had Trump not declared an emergency, he could still have implemented tariffs, but he would have had to follow certain procedures first.)

Related

• The best legal case against Trump’s tariffs, explained

There is no legal definition of an emergency. Anything can be an emergency, so long as the president deems it to be one. And while some crises — like, say, a pandemic — warrant an emergency declaration, presidents often invoke their emergency powers over events that hardly merit that level of urgency.
Why can Trump just say everything is an “emergency” and do whatever he wants?

How the President Is Misusing Emergency Powers to Impose Worldwide Tariffs
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...ing-emergency-powers-impose-worldwide-tariffs

Do I even need to say any other prez would have had his emergency powers stripped by Congress by now? Cuz.......you know........of the impulsive recklessness. But congressional Repubs live in fear of becoming a target for retribution. So they remain silent while Don shakes his tariff rattle. He's the last person in the world who should have this broad based power.

Can we really make claim to being a great nation after electing a complete imbecile like trump?

Fair enough. Any president's power to declare a national emergency is by definition a national emergency,

 

[sparky]

this fits here>>>List of national emergencies in the United States - Wikipedia ~S~

 

[Frankenstein]

President Donald Trump declared a national emergency last week to address what he described as harmful foreign trade and economic practices. Invoking the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, he announced new, sweeping tariffs — taxes that are paid by U.S. importers and then typically passed on to customers. A baseline 10 percent tariff on goods from almost every country worldwide took effect on Saturday, and higher rates for goods from dozens of countries started on Wednesday.

Leaving aside the economic policy concerns, using an emergency declaration to impose tariffs is a clear abuse of presidential emergency powers. It’s the latest in a long list of overreach and lawlessness by the current administration.

Feel free to comment on the subject of the thread. Otherwise, GFY.

Cite your sources!

 

[MisterBeale]

And while some crises — like, say, a pandemic — warrant an emergency declaration

Bullshit. Our founders were inundated with Polo while they wrote the Constitution and fought the British. No state of emergency was declared then.

It is this type of mindset which makes MAGA and conservatives roll on this issue. Just as the left declare emergencies all the time to trespass on folks' freedom, so too, does the right.

this fits here>>>List of national emergencies in the United States - Wikipedia ~S~

Thank you. Most folks are completely unaware that we are still living under multiple states of emergency, which the state uses to subvert folks civil rights and civil liberties, and short circuit the workings of the Constitution.

From link;
"41 have expired and another 49 are currently in effect, each having been renewed annually by the president.[4][5][6]"

National Emergencies need to be renewed, or else Congress has the ability to rescind them. Every president since Bush has signed a continuation of the so-called emergency that started on 9/11. Including Trump.

IMO, we will know a real people's President when they end this petty authoritarianism.

Episode 411 – States of Emergency​

by Corbett | Feb 12, 2022 | Podcasts | 142 comments

Episode 411 – States of Emergency | The Corbett Report

corbettreport.com

"As we enter the Age of Biosecurity, we find ourselves living in a state of emergency. But what does this actually mean? And what does it imply about our way forward? Find out more about this vital topic on this week's edition of The Corbett Report podcast."

 

[gipper]

Bullshit. Our founders were inundated with Polo while they wrote the Constitution and fought the British. No state of emergency was declared then.

It is this type of mindset which makes MAGA and conservatives roll on this issue. Just as the left declare emergencies all the time to trespass on folks' freedom, so too, does the right.


Thank you. Most folks are completely unaware that we are still living under multiple states of emergency, which the state uses to subvert folks civil rights and civil liberties, and short circuit the workings of the Constitution.

From link;
"41 have expired and another 49 are currently in effect, each having been renewed annually by the president.[4][5][6]"

National Emergencies need to be renewed, or else Congress has the ability to rescind them. Every president since Bush has signed a continuation of the so-called emergency that started on 9/11. Including Trump.

IMO, we will know a real people's President when they end this petty authoritarianism.

Episode 411 – States of Emergency​

by Corbett | Feb 12, 2022 | Podcasts | 142 comments

Episode 411 – States of Emergency | The Corbett Report

corbettreport.com

"As we enter the Age of Biosecurity, we find ourselves living in a state of emergency. But what does this actually mean? And what does it imply about our way forward? Find out more about this vital topic on this week's edition of The Corbett Report podcast."

And that is the point of government imposing national emergencies…to limit the rights of the people.

 

[Flopper]

Probably did. How many of them are doing it in the manner which Trump is doing it though? It feels like what the South Korea ex-president did earlier this year

The key elements in a national emergency are unexpected and unforeseen circumstances requiring immediate action. His emergency at border and tariffs certainly do not meet that requirement. These circumstances are legitimist actions for congress not the president.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I don't think any president has declared a national emergency when there was no emergency until Trump did. He is the first and may well be the last. The key elements in a national emergency are unexpected and unforeseen circumstances requiring immediate action. His emergency at border and tariffs certainly do not meet that requirement. These circumstances are legitimist actions for congress not the president.

I'd think once things become "normal", presidents will continue to do this, unless they can change the constitution to stop it.

 

[Flopper]

I'd think once things become "normal", presidents will continue to do this, unless they can change the constitution to stop it.

When I look at the list of national emergencies, prior to trump there were a few that were not really national emergency

What Trump did was to declare national emergencies to expedite almost everything he wanted done, allowing him to bypass laws and even the constitution such as facilitating the search for national resources or declaring sanction on the international court or work toward reducing the trade deficit or stopping migrants from crossing the border. None were emergencies. He just want to get as much done as possible before the midterms and didn't want the constitution nor our laws to get in his way. Declaring them national emergencies were a misuse of presidential power.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The democrat wipe out in 2026 will just be too delicious.

 

[frigidweirdo]

When I look at the list of national emergencies, prior to trump there were a few that were not really national emergency

What Trump did was to declare national emergencies to expedite almost everything he wanted done, allowing him to bypass laws and even the constitution such as facilitating the search for national resources or declaring sanction on the international court or work toward reducing the trade deficit or stopping migrants from crossing the border. None were emergencies. He just want to get as much done as possible before the midterms and didn't want the constitution nor our laws to get in his way. Declaring them national emergencies were a misuse of presidential power.

Yes, I wonder if the deportation of people who had a right to be in the US and hadn't committed crimes, could be the thing that trips him up and gets him impeached. Usually it's things like that, rather than big things that get these sorts of people.

 

[sparky]

Thank you. Most folks are completely unaware that we are still living under multiple states of emergency, which the state uses to subvert folks civil rights and civil liberties, and short circuit the workings of the Constitution.

They never seem to end Mr B

~S~