What is bad about socialism?

[Winston]

I never buy soft drinks at restaurants, too expensive. What happened to the subsidies you claim make it cheaper?

It’s no secret the farming industry is overloaded with subsidies. From wheat, soy, and corn, the government for decades has used taxpayer dollars to the detriment of public health. Not only do subsidies inflate an industry that doesn’t need the aid it also lowers the price of soda, the very thing the government is working against. If lawmakers were serious about curbing soda consumption, they would be wise to end farm subsidies.

The Government Both Encourages and Discourages Soda Consumption - The American Consumer Institute Center for Citizen Research

www.theamericanconsumer.org

Soft Drinks Now Cheaper Than Water in Many Countries

Cheaper soda is likely to lead to higher rates of obesity, diabetes and cancer worldwide, according to a new report from the CDC and American Cancer Society.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Kondor3]

Since the term "socialism" gets thrown around a lot by people who don't know the meaning of it, here's a definition:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Now we can discuss what is bad about it.

Lefties like it... 'nuff said... that almost automatically rules-it-out as a mode-of-operation on any sort of national scale in the US.

 

[Winston]

By definition being forced to work for necessity IS DEGREDATION Of feeedoms

Socialism is slavery controlled by the state. Oh sure collectivist ownership but since nothing gets done collectively the state controls all

Make up your damn mind. Either a Socialist government makes people work or nobody works because they get everything. You guys are all over the damn map. No, if the government owns the factory, and I am not listening to that cockamamie bullshit about owning the people, they don't mean they run out and force people to work at that factory. They don't set prices, the markets do. Does North Dakota determine the price of flour? Does Alaska determine the price of oil? They don't tell the factory how much to produce.

Now, in a Communist country, yes, the government tells the factory what to produce. That is why Communism is called "Command Economy". But socialism is still a "Demand Economy".

 

[Winston]

Lefties like it... 'nuff said... that almost automatically rules-it-out as a mode-of-operation on any sort of national scale in the US.

******* American Heritage Dictionary, go figure.

 

[Orangecat]

It's none of your business.

Meaning "yes".

That sounds like a discussion for you and your kindergarten friends.

Maybe you can participate in a couple years, when you're old enough.

 

[Leo123]

Dammit. Just stop, Socialism does not control every aspect of the citizens lives. It is simply the government, through the people no less, own the means of production. Are people in North Dakota free? Do they have a gulag that I am not aware of. Again, North Dakota MIlling and Grain Elevator. Owned by the state, largest flour mill in the United States. North Dakota Bank, damn, owned by the state.

How about Alaska. I mean low and behold, the damn people of the state of Alaska own the damn oil. Who would have thunk it. Shit, they get checks every year. Damn communists. Same for all the resources on public land. Remember that damn Bundy dude, oh you guys on the right all loved him to death. Hell, some of you may have shown up ready for a shootout with the government. Damn it, he wanted his right to graze his cows on, not get this PUBLIC LAND. ******* socialist, which of course means he was a communist. I mean he wanted to be the King of the Tragedy of the Commons.

None of what you just posted is socialism which is the complete government ownership of all production. Just because the government gives out subsidies does not mean it controls the whole of the economy. There are some projects Government has to do like build railroads, subsidize shipping companies, and yes, even own and operate a grain elevator. You guys always do this when challenged but it is very weak sauce.

 

[Winston]

None of what you just posted is socialism which is the complete government ownership of all production. Just because the government gives out subsidies does not mean it controls the whole of the economy. There are some projects Government has to do like build railroads, subsidize shipping companies, and yes, even own and operate a grain elevator. You guys always do this when challenged but it is very weak sauce.

What part of Democratic Socialism do you not understand? Who, in the United State, in any party, anywhere, is advocating for full blown socialism?

 

[Leo123]

What part of Democratic Socialism do you not understand? Who, in the United State, in any party, anywhere, is advocating for full blown socialism?

America is not a Democracy and there is no such thing as 'Democratic socialism' little duped one.

 

[Crepitus]

Yes, we agree that Socialism always leads to a dictatorship. Socialism has never been successful.

Fake news!

 

[Leo123]

Fake news!

Name one successful totally Socialist country.

 

[Crepitus]

Name one successful totally Socialist country.

Everything must be tempered with moderation. Name one totally successful capitalist country.

 

[Winston]

America is not a Democracy and there is no such thing as 'Democratic socialism' little duped one.

Damn but you people are stupid. I mean that damn, America is not a Democracy stupid shit. Let's go to Black's Law,

That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy,aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing, and the legislative assembly should comprise the whole people. But the ultimate lodgment of the sovereignty being the distinguishing feature, the introduction of the representative system does not remove a government from this type. However, a government of the latter kind is sometimes specifically described as a “representative democracy.”

DEMOCRACY

That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy,aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing...

thelawdictionary.org

And there is no such thing as a Socialist Democracy?

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Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I mean you and others in this thread are just tools. First, you are absolutely unwilling to accept the Socialist aspects that we currently have within our Democracy. Yeah, said the D word, Black's Law says I can, it does apply. No, you immediately run to full blown Socialism and then, without missing a beat, run right to Communism, post skulls and shit, list failed Communist countries, and pat each other on the back like you actually accomplished something, you didn't.

I asked you to post up anyone, in any party, in the United States advocating for full blown Socialism. You refuse, I mean I don't think it would be that hard to find some nutjob in the Socialist Party, but you can't even do that. And then you run to the well of "America is no Democracy" bullshit, which does little more than glaringly reveals how uneducated and unintelligent you really are. And no such thing as a Socialist Democracy, that book I linked to, it is the third most commonly sourced book involving Economics, behind Marx and Smith. Even someone that has only taken an intro course on Economic history would immediately recognize the book and Schumpeter.

 

[Leo123]

Damn but you people are stupid. I mean that damn, America is not a Democracy stupid shit. Let's go to Black's Law,

That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy,aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing, and the legislative assembly should comprise the whole people. But the ultimate lodgment of the sovereignty being the distinguishing feature, the introduction of the representative system does not remove a government from this type. However, a government of the latter kind is sometimes specifically described as a “representative democracy.”

DEMOCRACY

That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy,aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing...

thelawdictionary.org

And there is no such thing as a Socialist Democracy?

.

Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I mean you and others in this thread are just tools. First, you are absolutely unwilling to accept the Socialist aspects that we currently have within our Democracy. Yeah, said the D word, Black's Law says I can, it does apply. No, you immediately run to full blown Socialism and then, without missing a beat, run right to Communism, post skulls and shit, list failed Communist countries, and pat each other on the back like you actually accomplished something, you didn't.

I asked you to post up anyone, in any party, in the United States advocating for full blown Socialism. You refuse, I mean I don't think it would be that hard to find some nutjob in the Socialist Party, but you can't even do that. And then you run to the well of "America is no Democracy" bullshit, which does little more than glaringly reveals how uneducated and unintelligent you really are. And no such thing as a Socialist Democracy, that book I linked to, it is the third most commonly sourced book involving Economics, behind Marx and Smith. Even someone that has only taken an intro course on Economic history would immediately recognize the book and Schumpeter.

America is a republic and not a pure Democracy. Socialism was never part of our founding documents because our founders put value on ownership of private property and any benefits that property gave the owner. Taxes are levied on what is owned but the taxing authority has no ownership, it just has lawful support to garner revenue in the form of set taxes and tax rates.

 

[GLASNOST]

Are you a supporter of socialism?

It's none of your business.

Meaning "yes".

Really? You poor baby:

 

[Billiejeens]

Since the term "socialism" gets thrown around a lot by people who don't know the meaning of it, here's a definition:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Now we can discuss what is bad about it.

Everything

The end.

 

[Monoculturalist]

Damn but you people are stupid. I mean that damn, America is not a Democracy stupid shit. Let's go to Black's Law,

That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy,aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing, and the legislative assembly should comprise the whole people. But the ultimate lodgment of the sovereignty being the distinguishing feature, the introduction of the representative system does not remove a government from this type. However, a government of the latter kind is sometimes specifically described as a “representative democracy.”

DEMOCRACY

That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy,aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing...

thelawdictionary.org

And there is no such thing as a Socialist Democracy?

.

Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I mean you and others in this thread are just tools. First, you are absolutely unwilling to accept the Socialist aspects that we currently have within our Democracy. Yeah, said the D word, Black's Law says I can, it does apply. No, you immediately run to full blown Socialism and then, without missing a beat, run right to Communism, post skulls and shit, list failed Communist countries, and pat each other on the back like you actually accomplished something, you didn't.

I asked you to post up anyone, in any party, in the United States advocating for full blown Socialism. You refuse, I mean I don't think it would be that hard to find some nutjob in the Socialist Party, but you can't even do that. And then you run to the well of "America is no Democracy" bullshit, which does little more than glaringly reveals how uneducated and unintelligent you really are. And no such thing as a Socialist Democracy, that book I linked to, it is the third most commonly sourced book involving Economics, behind Marx and Smith. Even someone that has only taken an intro course on Economic history would immediately recognize the book and Schumpeter.

Democratic Socialism is a thing, but it's basically a Trojan horse for Communism.

Social Democracy is quite different and tends to function much better.

 

[GLASNOST]

Democratic Socialism is a thing, but it's basically a Trojan horse for Communism.

I know where you get your inspiration:

 

[Monoculturalist]

Everything must be tempered with moderation. Name one totally successful capitalist country.

While no country is truly anarcho-capitalist, a lot of countries are much closer to that than the rest of the world. Singapore and the United Arab Emirates function very well as capitalistic countries. Countries that change course toward being more capitalist tend to fare a lot better than before as well, like Argentina and Sweden (which used to be much more socialistic back in the 70s).

 

[Monoculturalist]

I know where you get your inspiration:

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Name one successful Democratic Socialist regime.

 

[Billiejeens]

As you flush your commode. ******* idiot.

What?