What is a “well-regulated militia” and why are we so sure it refers to everyone?

[daveman]

A reasonable person would construe this to mean (a) adults and (b) the general population, armed to serve as a Militia of Last Resort for national defense.

Sensible gun-control (background checks, licensing, registration, training) are the means by which that militia is regulated- well - in this context.

Nope.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The militia was we the people, more commonly known as any able-bodied male. That was the definition at the time of writing of the Constitution. Able body is any male that can shoot and defend their nation. 5 year old's is a real stretch...

What is “the militia” today then?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What is a “well-regulated militia”

An anachronism.

It’s not armed private citizens – armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ absent authorization from a state government or the Federal government.

And armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ and claim that they are ‘exempt’ from state or Federal firearm regulatory measures.

Conservatives will also use the militia myth as ‘justification’ for insurrectionist dogma – the ridiculous, wrongheaded notion that private citizens have right to be armed to defend against ‘government tyranny’ or foreign invasion.

 

[Billy_Bob]

What is “the militia” today then?

As women are now allowed to be in combat, it means any able-bodied person.

 

[miketx]

What Billy and the democrats fail to understand is the term "well-regulated" means the people have the training, the ammunitions, and spare parts for a properly functioning weapon. That the government has no legal authority to limit that by taxation or regulation. SHALL NOT BE INFIRNGED means the government can take no action to disarm the people or make it difficult for them to protect themselves.

Ammunition regulations, magazine regulations, none of that should be impacted by governmental regulations.

Thanks, but that scum understands.

 

[Failzero]

What is “the militia” today then?

In California ( Per State Constitution ) it’s EVERY adult Male age 18 -54 that is not ( Current Duty Law Enforcement Or Military , Member Of the State Legislature )

 

[miketx]

An anachronism.

It’s not armed private citizens – armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ absent authorization from a state government or the Federal government.

And armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ and claim that they are ‘exempt’ from state or Federal firearm regulatory measures.

Conservatives will also use the militia myth as ‘justification’ for insurrectionist dogma – the ridiculous, wrongheaded notion that private citizens have right to be armed to defend against ‘government tyranny’ or foreign invasion.

Come get us commie.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

An anachronism.

It’s not armed private citizens – armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ absent authorization from a state government or the Federal government.

And armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ and claim that they are ‘exempt’ from state or Federal firearm regulatory measures.

Conservatives will also use the militia myth as ‘justification’ for insurrectionist dogma – the ridiculous, wrongheaded notion that private citizens have right to be armed to defend against ‘government tyranny’ or foreign invasion.

FYI the government does not have a second amendment right.

 

[daveman]

An anachronism.

It’s not armed private citizens – armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ absent authorization from a state government or the Federal government.

And armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ and claim that they are ‘exempt’ from state or Federal firearm regulatory measures.

Conservatives will also use the militia myth as ‘justification’ for insurrectionist dogma – the ridiculous, wrongheaded notion that private citizens have right to be armed to defend against ‘government tyranny’ or foreign invasion.

Stamp your feet and pout some more, boy. You're not disarming Americans.

 

[Billy_Bob]

An anachronism.

It’s not armed private citizens – armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ absent authorization from a state government or the Federal government.

And armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ and claim that they are ‘exempt’ from state or Federal firearm regulatory measures.

Conservatives will also use the militia myth as ‘justification’ for insurrectionist dogma – the ridiculous, wrongheaded notion that private citizens have right to be armed to defend against ‘government tyranny’ or foreign invasion.

Until the militia acts were codified, yes, they could.

 

[Failzero]

In California ( Per State Constitution ) it’s EVERY adult Male age 18 -54 that is not ( Current Duty Law Enforcement Or Military , Member Of the State Legislature )

Bump for effect

 

[mudwhistle]

As women are now allowed to be in combat, it means any able-bodied person.

Women don't have to go into combat...or even worry about being deployed if they let someone knock them up.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The rightwing will cite court precedent for this issue, but they don’t actually offer an explanation for why it should be interpreted this way.

Should this apply to 5 year olds? Should it be made legal for kids to buy firearms from a licensed firearm business because of how this is interpreted?

Clayton,

THIS horse shit is why we don't believe you and MUST PUNISH you by repealing EVERYTHING.

YOU WANT TO BAN AND CONFISCATE.

You deserve ZERO gun laws.

 

[Nostra]

NO... Punctuation in the sentence breaks this from the right.

The statement-reason for the right: “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

The right assigned: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,

The actions allowed by the government: shall not be infringed.”

The sentence structure means things... it was crafted so there would be NO AMBIGUITY of what it meant.

Billy failed commas in school.

 

[daveman]

Billy failed commas in school.

COMMAS ARE RACIST

 

[Nostra]

A reasonable person would construe this to mean (a) adults and (b) the general population, armed to serve as a Militia of Last Resort for national defense.

Sensible gun-control (background checks, licensing, registration, training) are the means by which that militia is regulated- well - in this context.

Looks like Kondor failed commas in school too.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

FYI the government does not have a second amendment right.

This ignorance makes no sense.

 

[BluesLegend]

It's clear that without the 2nd amendment these scumbags would have disarmed us all. Which is exactly why the founders gave us the 2nd amendment. Kings and dictators around the world at the time did exactly that. The people were not allowed to possess arms, which made it easy for these rulers to oppress the people. The founders got it right from the get go.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Come get us commie.

“The Court expressly rejected Presser’s contention that there was a right to assemble, drill, or march in a militia absent authorization by state or federal law.”

Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886)

 

[Billy_Bob]

Looks like Kondor failed commas in school too.

HE also failed simple English. He is having a problem with the definition of words...