What Has Jesus Christ Done to You?

[THE LIGHT]

Your history is based on fiction.

The reason that jesus and his minions have such hatred for jews is because they didn't buy the "snake oil" he was selling.

No, it's not. The NT isn't the only place this information is recorded.

Again, please, please do some research.

And Jesus didn't have any hatred of Jews at all. Being Jewish himself, and of the house of David, that is a ridiculous assumption.

He was not from the house of David. And obviously he had hatred for jews by all the fictional accounts in the NT designed to attack jews.

And your "history" is faulty because your premises are wrong. Unfortunately, you are relying on a non credible source.

Actually, Peter refused to preach to anyone BUT Jews because he thought the gentiles were "unclean" and Paul spent much of his time killing Christians before he became one. When he wrote Romans, he specifically stated for the Gentiles not to boast against the Jews....etc....etc...

As for Jesus, he did not have any hatred towards Jews, it was only that he had to deal with a set of hypocritical, bad behaving, and self righteous Jews. But those Pharisees were a minority and as I have stated before, there are good gentiles and bad gentiles too. Not to mention, YHWH has said much more "hateful" things towards them in the Tanach if that's what you wish to call them. I choose to call them loving correction for the misbehaving.

 

[THE LIGHT]

It's amazing you believe such nonsense.

Obviously since G-D made it explicitly clear in numerous passages in the Torah, some of which I posted, to not worship or put trust in anyone but him and the Torah makes it crystal clear what the messianic prophesies were, no Jew who feared and loved G-D is going to turn away from the G-D of the jews to follow a false god.

Based on the Torah there is no difference between worshipping a golden calf and worshipping jesus. That's not meant as an attack, it's just a fact.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
-Numbers 21:8-9

If it worked for them it works for me. Amazing the things your torah has in it if only you would read them.

Is there a point you are trying to make?

Yes. That you need to read more.

 

[AllieBaba]

Yes, he was from the house of David.

Matthew 22:41-42
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

"There is some dispute about Jesus' genealogy in Luke. Some Christians believe it is Mary's genealogy. Others believe it is Joseph's legal genealogy as opposed to his biological genealogy, since there was an adoption in Joseph's ancestry.

In any event, since Joseph was a faithful Jew, his marriage to Mary indicates that she also was of the house of David, since there was a law prohibiting marriage to a person from another ancestry. So Jesus was descended from David through both parents, fulfilling the requirement for inheritance of the throne through Joseph, and fulfilling the prophecy of being the seed of David through Mary."

WikiAnswers - Why was Jesus called Son of David

"Since the custom was of using male genealogies only, then how could an ancestral line of Jesus be shown through Mary?
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It appears that GOD left a convenient loophole in this law that would allow women to be included in the ancestral line if they met two stringent conditions...

1. Num 27:8, "Therefore, tell the Israelites; If a man dies without leaving a son, you shall let his heritage pass on to his daughter."
2. Num 36:6-7, "This is what the Lord commands with regard to the daughters of Salphahad: They may marry anyone they please, provided they marry into a clan of their ancestral tribe, so that no heritage of the Israelites will pass from one tribe to another, but all the Israelites will retain their own ancestral heritage."

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So now, all we have to show is that:
1. The father of Mary had no sons.
2. Mary married within her own tribe of Judah. Gen 49:8-12
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Regarding the first condition, did Mary have brothers?
We have no record of it. The Bible does not mention brothers, but it does say she had a sister.
John 19:25, "Now there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." It is thought that the sister of Mary was Salome, the wife of Zebedee and the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20, Mark 15:40)."

"Saint Matthew addressed his Gospel to the Jews, who followed the Law of Moses (Mosaic Law). He wrote the genealogy of Jesus Christ in Matt 1:1-17, and he was careful to meet the legal requirements of the Mosaic Law. His was of the Public Record as explained earlier. In it he begins with Abraham and shows the line going through David and then Solomon and all the way down to Jesus Christ. Remember in verse 16, "And Jacob begot Joseph, the husband of Mary, and of her was born Jesus who is called Christ." Matthew depicts Jesus Christ as "The Messiah".
Clearly Matthew said that the blood father (begot) of Joseph was Jacob. Matthew had satisfied the Mosaic Law by showing the male ancestry of Jesus by going through Joseph instead of Mary. Keep in mind that this genealogy shows the legal, or royal, or public record, of descent and not the human descent. "

Genealogy of Jesus through Mary

 

[Skull Pilot]

I disagree. I think he did an amazing job....he lived 2000 years ago and people are still discussing his teachings today. That's a pretty good run, isn't it? Do you really believe the world would be the same today if he hadn't lived at all?

So you really believe we would have all killed each other or something if he hadn't lived?

The world would be different if JC never was. it might be a hell of a lot better.

He preached loving, not just your neighbor, but your enemy. He was the first to do that. Do you really think the world would be better off had he never lived?

That is an impossible question to answer but it very well may have been.

JC was nothing more than a charismatic preacher. The fact that so many people still believe he is divine is what is amazing.

Just think if people realized that God is nothing but a comfortable myth what the world would be like. I tend to think it would be more not less reasonable.

 

[JW Frogen]

Jesus turned water into wine.

More importantly he turned religion into real love and sacrifice.

I got no problem with Jesus.

 

[CMike]

Yes, he was from the house of David.

Matthew 22:41-42
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

"There is some dispute about Jesus' genealogy in Luke. Some Christians believe it is Mary's genealogy. Others believe it is Joseph's legal genealogy as opposed to his biological genealogy, since there was an adoption in Joseph's ancestry.

In any event, since Joseph was a faithful Jew, his marriage to Mary indicates that she also was of the house of David, since there was a law prohibiting marriage to a person from another ancestry. So Jesus was descended from David through both parents, fulfilling the requirement for inheritance of the throne through Joseph, and fulfilling the prophecy of being the seed of David through Mary."

WikiAnswers - Why was Jesus called Son of David

"Since the custom was of using male genealogies only, then how could an ancestral line of Jesus be shown through Mary?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It appears that GOD left a convenient loophole in this law that would allow women to be included in the ancestral line if they met two stringent conditions...

1. Num 27:8, "Therefore, tell the Israelites; If a man dies without leaving a son, you shall let his heritage pass on to his daughter."
2. Num 36:6-7, "This is what the Lord commands with regard to the daughters of Salphahad: They may marry anyone they please, provided they marry into a clan of their ancestral tribe, so that no heritage of the Israelites will pass from one tribe to another, but all the Israelites will retain their own ancestral heritage."

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So now, all we have to show is that:
1. The father of Mary had no sons.
2. Mary married within her own tribe of Judah. Gen 49:8-12
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Regarding the first condition, did Mary have brothers?
We have no record of it. The Bible does not mention brothers, but it does say she had a sister.
John 19:25, "Now there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." It is thought that the sister of Mary was Salome, the wife of Zebedee and the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20, Mark 15:40)."

"Saint Matthew addressed his Gospel to the Jews, who followed the Law of Moses (Mosaic Law). He wrote the genealogy of Jesus Christ in Matt 1:1-17, and he was careful to meet the legal requirements of the Mosaic Law. His was of the Public Record as explained earlier. In it he begins with Abraham and shows the line going through David and then Solomon and all the way down to Jesus Christ. Remember in verse 16, "And Jacob begot Joseph, the husband of Mary, and of her was born Jesus who is called Christ." Matthew depicts Jesus Christ as "The Messiah".
Clearly Matthew said that the blood father (begot) of Joseph was Jacob. Matthew had satisfied the Mosaic Law by showing the male ancestry of Jesus by going through Joseph instead of Mary. Keep in mind that this genealogy shows the legal, or royal, or public record, of descent and not the human descent. "

Genealogy of Jesus through Mary

That shows a lack of understanding of jewish laws.

We are not talking about the laws of inheritance, that is a different matter, we are talking about tribal lineage.

Tribal lineage only goes by the biological father. Since we don't know who was jesus' father, jesus would be a considered an Israelite, and part of the general population. He had no tribal lineage.

I am a kohen (a jewish priest) because my father was a kohen. My father was kohen because his father was a kohen and so on and so on.

 

[CMike]

Jesus turned water into wine.

More importantly he turned religion into real love and sacrifice.

I got no problem with Jesus.

Yeah, those spanish inquisition guys really showed a lot of love and sacrifice.

Also those nice fellows who did the pogroms against the jews.

They displayed much love.

 

[CMike]

And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
-Numbers 21:8-9

If it worked for them it works for me. Amazing the things your torah has in it if only you would read them.

Is there a point you are trying to make?

Yes. That you need to read more.

Based on the typical perversion of the torah, either the snake, staff, rock, moses, anything else, or a combination, was supposed to be jesus.

 

[AllieBaba]

Yes, he was from the house of David.

Matthew 22:41-42
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

"There is some dispute about Jesus' genealogy in Luke. Some Christians believe it is Mary's genealogy. Others believe it is Joseph's legal genealogy as opposed to his biological genealogy, since there was an adoption in Joseph's ancestry.

In any event, since Joseph was a faithful Jew, his marriage to Mary indicates that she also was of the house of David, since there was a law prohibiting marriage to a person from another ancestry. So Jesus was descended from David through both parents, fulfilling the requirement for inheritance of the throne through Joseph, and fulfilling the prophecy of being the seed of David through Mary."

WikiAnswers - Why was Jesus called Son of David

"Since the custom was of using male genealogies only, then how could an ancestral line of Jesus be shown through Mary?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It appears that GOD left a convenient loophole in this law that would allow women to be included in the ancestral line if they met two stringent conditions...

1. Num 27:8, "Therefore, tell the Israelites; If a man dies without leaving a son, you shall let his heritage pass on to his daughter."
2. Num 36:6-7, "This is what the Lord commands with regard to the daughters of Salphahad: They may marry anyone they please, provided they marry into a clan of their ancestral tribe, so that no heritage of the Israelites will pass from one tribe to another, but all the Israelites will retain their own ancestral heritage."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So now, all we have to show is that:
1. The father of Mary had no sons.
2. Mary married within her own tribe of Judah. Gen 49:8-12
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Regarding the first condition, did Mary have brothers?
We have no record of it. The Bible does not mention brothers, but it does say she had a sister.
John 19:25, "Now there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." It is thought that the sister of Mary was Salome, the wife of Zebedee and the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20, Mark 15:40)."

"Saint Matthew addressed his Gospel to the Jews, who followed the Law of Moses (Mosaic Law). He wrote the genealogy of Jesus Christ in Matt 1:1-17, and he was careful to meet the legal requirements of the Mosaic Law. His was of the Public Record as explained earlier. In it he begins with Abraham and shows the line going through David and then Solomon and all the way down to Jesus Christ. Remember in verse 16, "And Jacob begot Joseph, the husband of Mary, and of her was born Jesus who is called Christ." Matthew depicts Jesus Christ as "The Messiah".
Clearly Matthew said that the blood father (begot) of Joseph was Jacob. Matthew had satisfied the Mosaic Law by showing the male ancestry of Jesus by going through Joseph instead of Mary. Keep in mind that this genealogy shows the legal, or royal, or public record, of descent and not the human descent. "

Genealogy of Jesus through Mary

That shows a lack of understanding of jewish laws.

We are not talking about the laws of inheritance, that is a different matter, we are talking about tribal lineage.

Tribal lineage only goes by the biological father. Since we don't know who was jesus' father, jesus would be a considered an Israelite, and part of the general population. He had no tribal lineage.

I am a kohen (a jewish priest) because my father was a kohen. My father was kohen because his father was a kohen and so on and so on.

Except when there are no male children.

 

[AllieBaba]

Jesus turned water into wine.

More importantly he turned religion into real love and sacrifice.

I got no problem with Jesus.

Yeah, those spanish inquisition guys really showed a lot of love and sacrifice.

Also those nice fellows who did the pogroms against the jews.

They displayed much love.

Oh please.

 

[CMike]

Let me guess the Jews were only tortured and murdered by these people because they rebelled? Right?

 

[CMike]

Yes, he was from the house of David.

Matthew 22:41-42
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

"There is some dispute about Jesus' genealogy in Luke. Some Christians believe it is Mary's genealogy. Others believe it is Joseph's legal genealogy as opposed to his biological genealogy, since there was an adoption in Joseph's ancestry.

In any event, since Joseph was a faithful Jew, his marriage to Mary indicates that she also was of the house of David, since there was a law prohibiting marriage to a person from another ancestry. So Jesus was descended from David through both parents, fulfilling the requirement for inheritance of the throne through Joseph, and fulfilling the prophecy of being the seed of David through Mary."

WikiAnswers - Why was Jesus called Son of David

"Since the custom was of using male genealogies only, then how could an ancestral line of Jesus be shown through Mary?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It appears that GOD left a convenient loophole in this law that would allow women to be included in the ancestral line if they met two stringent conditions...

1. Num 27:8, "Therefore, tell the Israelites; If a man dies without leaving a son, you shall let his heritage pass on to his daughter."
2. Num 36:6-7, "This is what the Lord commands with regard to the daughters of Salphahad: They may marry anyone they please, provided they marry into a clan of their ancestral tribe, so that no heritage of the Israelites will pass from one tribe to another, but all the Israelites will retain their own ancestral heritage."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So now, all we have to show is that:
1. The father of Mary had no sons.
2. Mary married within her own tribe of Judah. Gen 49:8-12
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Regarding the first condition, did Mary have brothers?
We have no record of it. The Bible does not mention brothers, but it does say she had a sister.
John 19:25, "Now there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." It is thought that the sister of Mary was Salome, the wife of Zebedee and the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20, Mark 15:40)."

"Saint Matthew addressed his Gospel to the Jews, who followed the Law of Moses (Mosaic Law). He wrote the genealogy of Jesus Christ in Matt 1:1-17, and he was careful to meet the legal requirements of the Mosaic Law. His was of the Public Record as explained earlier. In it he begins with Abraham and shows the line going through David and then Solomon and all the way down to Jesus Christ. Remember in verse 16, "And Jacob begot Joseph, the husband of Mary, and of her was born Jesus who is called Christ." Matthew depicts Jesus Christ as "The Messiah".
Clearly Matthew said that the blood father (begot) of Joseph was Jacob. Matthew had satisfied the Mosaic Law by showing the male ancestry of Jesus by going through Joseph instead of Mary. Keep in mind that this genealogy shows the legal, or royal, or public record, of descent and not the human descent. "

Genealogy of Jesus through Mary

That shows a lack of understanding of jewish laws.

We are not talking about the laws of inheritance, that is a different matter, we are talking about tribal lineage.

Tribal lineage only goes by the biological father. Since we don't know who was jesus' father, jesus would be a considered an Israelite, and part of the general population. He had no tribal lineage.

I am a kohen (a jewish priest) because my father was a kohen. My father was kohen because his father was a kohen and so on and so on.

Except when there are no male children.

Sorry. That's not jewish law.

Tribal lineage goes by the biological father.

The laws of inheritance is a separate issue.

I spent four years in high school in a double program with Torah studies and general studies, and I spent four years in college in a double program with Torah studies and then regular studies.

My knowledge of the Torah far exceeds yours.

 

[AllieBaba]

That shows a lack of understanding of jewish laws.

We are not talking about the laws of inheritance, that is a different matter, we are talking about tribal lineage.

Tribal lineage only goes by the biological father. Since we don't know who was jesus' father, jesus would be a considered an Israelite, and part of the general population. He had no tribal lineage.

I am a kohen (a jewish priest) because my father was a kohen. My father was kohen because his father was a kohen and so on and so on.

Except when there are no male children.

Sorry. That's not jewish law.

Tribal lineage goes by the biological father.

The laws of inheritance is a separate issue.

I spent four years in high school in a double program with Torah studies and general studies, and I spent four years in college in a double program with Torah studies and then regular studies.

My knowledge of the Torah far exceeds yours.

Your arrogance certainly does.
We all know how God feels about that, don't we?

 

[CMike]

Except when there are no male children.

Sorry. That's not jewish law.

Tribal lineage goes by the biological father.

The laws of inheritance is a separate issue.

I spent four years in high school in a double program with Torah studies and general studies, and I spent four years in college in a double program with Torah studies and then regular studies.

My knowledge of the Torah far exceeds yours.

Your arrogance certainly does.
We all know how God feels about that, don't we?

Those are the facts. Guess how he feels about idol worship?

 

[AllieBaba]

And it is supreme arrogance to dismiss the fact that Jesus did descend from David through his mother.

 

[AllieBaba]

Sorry. That's not jewish law.

Tribal lineage goes by the biological father.

The laws of inheritance is a separate issue.

I spent four years in high school in a double program with Torah studies and general studies, and I spent four years in college in a double program with Torah studies and then regular studies.

My knowledge of the Torah far exceeds yours.

Your arrogance certainly does.
We all know how God feels about that, don't we?

Those are the facts. Guess how he feels about idol worship?

No, it's not the facts.
And do you worship idols? I certainly don't.

 

[CMike]

Your arrogance certainly does.
We all know how God feels about that, don't we?

Those are the facts. Guess how he feels about idol worship?

No, it's not the facts.
And do you worship idols? I certainly don't.

Yeah, it's the facts, before the perverted stuff.

And I only worship the one and only G-D.

 

[AllieBaba]

Me too!

 

[CMike]

Yeah...right.

 

[AllieBaba]

I don't have a single idol in my home, you'll be relieved to know.

And I only worship the one true God.