What Happens When You Tax Billionaires At 90%

“Succession” is over, but spoiled, entitled billionaire man-children are still very much with us, running social media companies, owning newspapers and television networks, and funding politicians and judges who then keep their taxes low and regulations minimal.

America’s billionaires (and soon to be trillionaires) pay an average of around 3.1 percent as their functional income tax rate; as a result, America is the most unequal developed society in the world. The last time severe poverty and extravagant wealth coexisted in such extremes as today in this country was during the 1920s and 1930s.


Today we read about roving gangs doing smash-and-grab operations against retailers like Nordstroms and Home Depot; in Red states our schools are falling apart, defunded to pay for vouchers to all-white “Christian” academies; gun violence plagues our nation with particularly high homicide rates in rural Red states; and homelessness stalks city-dwellers at every turn.

The last time we saw the consequences of such inequality was during the Republican “Roaring ‘20s” 100 years ago, when Warren Harding dropped the top income tax rate from 91 percent to 25 percent, the morbidly rich openly bought our politicians, and gangs whose names are still known today roamed the country robbing and killing with impunity.

Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal put an end to all that, and we need to repeat his example today.

FDR raised the top income tax bracket from 25 to 90 percent. Wealthy people in America screamed and yelled, claiming it would crash the economy, but instead that top tax rate kicked off the first middle class to encompass more than half a nation’s population in world history.

As Roosevelt noted in 1936:


FDR created America’s first widespread middle class with a combination of high taxes on the rich and strong unions for working class people. He broke the politically corrupt power of organized wealth for two generations.


Abraham Lincoln was the first president to use the word unions to describe labor organizations; it was such a novelty that newspapers of the day put the word in quotation marks. By the 1920s the union movement had seized the nation, but employers and Republican politicians were still using police, the army, and private armed militias to kill union leaders and intimidate people who wanted to join them.

Franklin Roosevelt put an end to that with the Wagner Act in 1935, fully legalizing unions. By the time Reagan took office in 1981 about a third of Americans had a good union job, and as a result fully two-thirds of American workers had union-level wages and benefits (because unions created the local wage and benefit floor for employers).

The people who were obscenely rich throughout the era from the 1930s to the 1980s had mostly inherited their money from their 19th century Gilded Age ancestors (the Rockefellers, Vanderbilts, DuPonts, Carnegies, etc.), because the combination of the 90 percent income tax bracket and union demands for meaningful wages kept inequality at reasonable levels.

Rich people were still rich, but that top income tax bracket combined with the power of unions kept the average CEO from taking much more than 30 times what their lowest-paid worker made every year. (Today, some CEOs make more than a thousand times what their workers make.)

FDR’s and LBJ’s social safety nets caught Americans before they could fall into the dire poverty that characterized earlier eras when Republicans ran the show. Social Security and unemployment benefits — both rolled out by FDR in the 1930s — lifted the elderly and the jobless out of poverty, and LBJ’s Medicare and Medicaid (1960s) kept Americans healthy.

The result of this was that crime went down and lifespans increased. When the grinding inequality of the Roaring ‘20s and the Republican Great Depression went away in the 1940s and 1950s, the crime sprees and hate-promoting demagogues went with it. Working people with decent wages and benefits, after all, have neither the time nor the need to engage in criminal activity.

Corporate executives lived and worked in normal — albeit upscale — neighborhoods (watch an episode of Bewitched or The Dick Van Dyke Show from the 1960s to see the homes Madison Avenue executives and media bigwigs lived in), and workers made enough to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Nonetheless, the morbidly rich campaigned relentlessly to take us back to the oligarchic 1920s, demanding tax cuts and union-busting. They funded media campaigns, think tanks, publications, judges and politicians.

In 1981 they got their guy into office; Reagan dropped the top tax rate all the way down to 27 percent and destroyed the nation’s air traffic controllers union as his opening salvo in the modern-day Republican War Against Workers.

Reaganism kicked off a 42-year-long explosion of wealth at the very top of our economic hierarchy, making today’s billionaires richer than the pharaohs. They compete with each other to see who can own the largest private jets and mega-yachts, multiple mansions all over the world, private islands, and even their own spaceships.

Disney’s old Scrooge McDuck comics (that I’m now reading to my grandkids) and their unfathomable money bins have come to life.

Simultaneously, the middle class began its collapse from two-thirds of us in 1980 all the way down to today’s 45 percent (and today it takes two incomes to sustain the same middle class lifestyle that could be done with just one when Jimmy Carter was president).

As the middle class collapsed, lifespans in America followed the same trajectory, unlike other countries in the world that rejected Reaganomics.

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Source: Our World In Data
Reagan wasn’t alone in destroying the American Dream, however. He had big-time help from the nation’s highest court.

Five Republican appointees on the Supreme Court initiated the process with their First National Bank decision in 1978, which said that billionaire and corporate money wasn’t money but instead was a form of “free speech” and that corporations weren’t a legal fiction but instead were “persons” with full rights under the Bill of Rights, including the right to use their “free speech” to own politicians.

That decision, authored by the infamous Lewis Powell himself, made possible the purchase of the Republican Party by the morbidly rich in 1979, floating Reagan into office in 1980 on a tsunami of corporate and billionaire (in today’s dollars) cash, much of it from the oil and banking industries.

Reagan then rewarded the GOP’s affluent paymasters with lower taxes, more tax-code loopholes, and a campaign of massive industrial and banking deregulation, giving particular preference via his EPA Administrator — the disgraced Anne Gorsuch (Neil’s mom) — to fossil fuel and other polluting industries.

So, here we are in a situation much like the one that FDR faced when he first came into office in 1933. Homelessness stalks the nation; three morbidly rich individuals own more wealth than the bottom half of Americans; gun crime is at Bonnie and Clyde levels; and workers are terrified of their employers, who force them to sit through anti-union indoctrination sessions or lose their jobs.

To solve this crisis, we must gather and gain the political strength and will to once again raise the top income tax rate up to 90 percent; to overturn the Taft-Hartley Act and restore the right to unionize without interference; and to strip the poison of big money out of our political system.

The morbidly rich will squeal at even the mention of these tried-and-tested solutions, just like they did in the 1930s. They’ll warn that the country will collapse, or that communism will take us over and we’ll become Venezuela or Cuba. They’ll say that the “job creators” will go on strike like in an Ayn Rand novel and take the economy with them to Gault’s Gulch.

And, like FDR, we need to call them on their bullsh*t.

Billionaires are the problem. Not the solution. Prosperity is created when the morbidly rich, and corporations are taxed at much higher levels. Not lower. Just like FDR proved beyond any doubt.

You have to be a total tool, to buy into the oligarch bullshit talking point, that low taxes and deregulation is what creates prosperity. Or you're a toady working for a billionaire selling that crap.

I stopped at ”functional tax rate”. Pure, uninformed rhetoric that gullible, ignorant people fall victim to. Don’t be a sheep.(Democrat)
 
Absolutely we should. These billionaires are buying politicians and government. You’d think you’d be against this.
Think about that for a moment. A tax just shifts more money (and power) to government out of the economy. Wouldn't it be better to reduce the amount of power that government has to sell?
 
We should.

You aren’t thinking this through. We already have a sliding scale of what is considered “rich”. The definition changes on a whim. The same would go for a “wealth” tax. To a person making 30k/yr, 200k/yr is very wealthy, thus an adjustment to the “wealth tax” would be justified. See how that goes?
 
Absolutely we should. These billionaires are buying politicians and government. You’d think you’d be against this.

As you said, they think they're going to be billionaires or at least multimillionaires too, so they support whatever is in the vested interest of the uber-rich, even if it undermines their own real interests and that of their children. They love the rich and hold the poor in contempt, including democracy, that's why the only government that is evil in their eyes, is a publicly created and run one, not the bureaucracy of the filthy rich, which they go to six days weekly eight hours daily a.k.a.:

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THE NON-DEMOCRATIC WORKPLACE = THE PRIVATE GOVERNMENT DICTATORSHIP OF THE RICH.

She probably works 60 hours weekly and despite her billionaire employer making tens of billions yearly in profits, she and her coworkers are still on food-stamps. She's never participated in an election at work, because her billionaire employer doesn't hold any. The right-wingers love privately owned totalitarian governments, a.k.a. private business enterprises. They love that, and abhor civil, democratic government, created by the people. They can't stand that, because the uber-rich hate democracy. They love PLUTOCRACY = RULE OF THE RICH.
Ironically, these Republican conservatives, claim to be disciples of Jesus, whose teachings on personal finance and good government were more in line with Bernie Sanders, a democratic socialist than with Adam Smith the father of capitalism. Not even Adam Smith agrees with them, because Smith identified capitalists as "masters". He used the word "master" when referring to capitalists, at a time when masters owned slaves. Smith called employees, workmen or "servants". Amazing their confusion. the irony of their anti-working class hubris. They hate the working-class (they hate themselves).
 
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Think about that for a moment. A tax just shifts more money (and power) to government out of the economy. Wouldn't it be better to reduce the amount of power that government has to sell?
The billionaires have more power than government since after all, they control government.

What would be better is preventing billionaires from buying government. Money needs to be removed from politics.

In addition, big corporations shouldn’t be allowed to buy politicians and favorable legislation.
 
As you said, they think they're going to be billionaires or at least multimillionaires too, so they support whatever is in the vested interest of the uber-rich, even if it undermines their own real interests and that of their children. They love the rich and hold the poor in contempt, including democracy, that's why the only government that is evil in their eyes, is a publicly created and run one, not the bureaucracy of the filthy rich, which they go to six days weekly eight hours daily a.k.a.:

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THE NON-DEMOCRATIC WORKPLACE

She probably works 60 hours weekly and despite her billionaire employer making tens of billions yearly in profits, she and her coworkers are still on food-stamps. She's never participated in an election at work, because her billionaire employer doesn't hold any. They love privately owned totalitarian governments, a.k.a. private business enterprises. They love that, and abhor civil, democratic government, created by the people. They can't stand that, because the uber-rich hate democracy. They love PLUTOCRACY = RULE OF THE RICH.
Ironically, these Republican conservatives, claim to be disciples of Jesus, whose teachings on personal finance and divine government were more in line with Bernie Sanders, a democratic socialist than with Adam Smith the father of capitalism. Not even Adam Smith agrees with them, because Smith identified capitalists as "masters". He used the word "master" when referring to capitalists, at a time when masters owned slaves. Smith called employees, workmen or "servants". Amazing their confusion. the irony of their anti-working class hubris. They hate the working-class (they hate themselves).

What do you consider rich? Only billionaires?
 
The billionaires have more power than government since after all, they control government.

What would be better is preventing billionaires from buying government. Money needs to be removed from politics.

In addition, big corporations shouldn’t be allowed to buy politicians and favorable legislation.
The so-called "citizens united" = super PACS.
 
The billionaires have more power than government since after all, they control government.

What would be better is preventing billionaires from buying government. Money needs to be removed from politics.

In addition, big corporations shouldn’t be allowed to buy politicians and favorable legislation.
That's simply impossible. Money finds power, and powerful people sell access to that power. The ONLY way to get money out of politics is to reduce or eliminate the power that government can auction off to the highest bidder.
 
That's simply impossible. Money finds power, and powerful people sell access to that power. The ONLY way to get money out of politics is to reduce or eliminate the power that government can auction off to the highest bidder.
It's not one or the other. We can have both. Laws that severely punish government corruption and laws that mitigate the gross inequality of capitalism. Good government regulation and a social safety net for the working class. Protecting labor unions from being ripped to pieces by the rich, is also important. You only fault our civil government, shifting all of the blame upon it, as if the rich are perfectly innocent and have no obligations towards the society that allows them to engage in commerce and be rich. Without society or civil government, there isn't the law or infrastructure for capitalism to function.

Civil government is a divinely created institution. God loves good government and hates it when the rich abuse the working class.
 
“Succession” is over, but spoiled, entitled billionaire man-children are still very much with us, running social media companies, owning newspapers and television networks, and funding politicians and judges who then keep their taxes low and regulations minimal.

America’s billionaires (and soon to be trillionaires) pay an average of around 3.1 percent as their functional income tax rate; as a result, America is the most unequal developed society in the world. The last time severe poverty and extravagant wealth coexisted in such extremes as today in this country was during the 1920s and 1930s.


Today we read about roving gangs doing smash-and-grab operations against retailers like Nordstroms and Home Depot; in Red states our schools are falling apart, defunded to pay for vouchers to all-white “Christian” academies; gun violence plagues our nation with particularly high homicide rates in rural Red states; and homelessness stalks city-dwellers at every turn.

The last time we saw the consequences of such inequality was during the Republican “Roaring ‘20s” 100 years ago, when Warren Harding dropped the top income tax rate from 91 percent to 25 percent, the morbidly rich openly bought our politicians, and gangs whose names are still known today roamed the country robbing and killing with impunity.

Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal put an end to all that, and we need to repeat his example today.

FDR raised the top income tax bracket from 25 to 90 percent. Wealthy people in America screamed and yelled, claiming it would crash the economy, but instead that top tax rate kicked off the first middle class to encompass more than half a nation’s population in world history.

As Roosevelt noted in 1936:


FDR created America’s first widespread middle class with a combination of high taxes on the rich and strong unions for working class people. He broke the politically corrupt power of organized wealth for two generations.


Abraham Lincoln was the first president to use the word unions to describe labor organizations; it was such a novelty that newspapers of the day put the word in quotation marks. By the 1920s the union movement had seized the nation, but employers and Republican politicians were still using police, the army, and private armed militias to kill union leaders and intimidate people who wanted to join them.

Franklin Roosevelt put an end to that with the Wagner Act in 1935, fully legalizing unions. By the time Reagan took office in 1981 about a third of Americans had a good union job, and as a result fully two-thirds of American workers had union-level wages and benefits (because unions created the local wage and benefit floor for employers).

The people who were obscenely rich throughout the era from the 1930s to the 1980s had mostly inherited their money from their 19th century Gilded Age ancestors (the Rockefellers, Vanderbilts, DuPonts, Carnegies, etc.), because the combination of the 90 percent income tax bracket and union demands for meaningful wages kept inequality at reasonable levels.

Rich people were still rich, but that top income tax bracket combined with the power of unions kept the average CEO from taking much more than 30 times what their lowest-paid worker made every year. (Today, some CEOs make more than a thousand times what their workers make.)

FDR’s and LBJ’s social safety nets caught Americans before they could fall into the dire poverty that characterized earlier eras when Republicans ran the show. Social Security and unemployment benefits — both rolled out by FDR in the 1930s — lifted the elderly and the jobless out of poverty, and LBJ’s Medicare and Medicaid (1960s) kept Americans healthy.

The result of this was that crime went down and lifespans increased. When the grinding inequality of the Roaring ‘20s and the Republican Great Depression went away in the 1940s and 1950s, the crime sprees and hate-promoting demagogues went with it. Working people with decent wages and benefits, after all, have neither the time nor the need to engage in criminal activity.

Corporate executives lived and worked in normal — albeit upscale — neighborhoods (watch an episode of Bewitched or The Dick Van Dyke Show from the 1960s to see the homes Madison Avenue executives and media bigwigs lived in), and workers made enough to sustain a decent lifestyle.

Nonetheless, the morbidly rich campaigned relentlessly to take us back to the oligarchic 1920s, demanding tax cuts and union-busting. They funded media campaigns, think tanks, publications, judges and politicians.

In 1981 they got their guy into office; Reagan dropped the top tax rate all the way down to 27 percent and destroyed the nation’s air traffic controllers union as his opening salvo in the modern-day Republican War Against Workers.

Reaganism kicked off a 42-year-long explosion of wealth at the very top of our economic hierarchy, making today’s billionaires richer than the pharaohs. They compete with each other to see who can own the largest private jets and mega-yachts, multiple mansions all over the world, private islands, and even their own spaceships.

Disney’s old Scrooge McDuck comics (that I’m now reading to my grandkids) and their unfathomable money bins have come to life.

Simultaneously, the middle class began its collapse from two-thirds of us in 1980 all the way down to today’s 45 percent (and today it takes two incomes to sustain the same middle class lifestyle that could be done with just one when Jimmy Carter was president).

As the middle class collapsed, lifespans in America followed the same trajectory, unlike other countries in the world that rejected Reaganomics.

4448a073-1e47-4445-aae6-24a744aa9bc1_1874x2042.jpg
Source: Our World In Data
Reagan wasn’t alone in destroying the American Dream, however. He had big-time help from the nation’s highest court.

Five Republican appointees on the Supreme Court initiated the process with their First National Bank decision in 1978, which said that billionaire and corporate money wasn’t money but instead was a form of “free speech” and that corporations weren’t a legal fiction but instead were “persons” with full rights under the Bill of Rights, including the right to use their “free speech” to own politicians.

That decision, authored by the infamous Lewis Powell himself, made possible the purchase of the Republican Party by the morbidly rich in 1979, floating Reagan into office in 1980 on a tsunami of corporate and billionaire (in today’s dollars) cash, much of it from the oil and banking industries.

Reagan then rewarded the GOP’s affluent paymasters with lower taxes, more tax-code loopholes, and a campaign of massive industrial and banking deregulation, giving particular preference via his EPA Administrator — the disgraced Anne Gorsuch (Neil’s mom) — to fossil fuel and other polluting industries.

So, here we are in a situation much like the one that FDR faced when he first came into office in 1933. Homelessness stalks the nation; three morbidly rich individuals own more wealth than the bottom half of Americans; gun crime is at Bonnie and Clyde levels; and workers are terrified of their employers, who force them to sit through anti-union indoctrination sessions or lose their jobs.

To solve this crisis, we must gather and gain the political strength and will to once again raise the top income tax rate up to 90 percent; to overturn the Taft-Hartley Act and restore the right to unionize without interference; and to strip the poison of big money out of our political system.

The morbidly rich will squeal at even the mention of these tried-and-tested solutions, just like they did in the 1930s. They’ll warn that the country will collapse, or that communism will take us over and we’ll become Venezuela or Cuba. They’ll say that the “job creators” will go on strike like in an Ayn Rand novel and take the economy with them to Gault’s Gulch.

And, like FDR, we need to call them on their bullsh*t.

Billionaires are the problem. Not the solution. Prosperity is created when the morbidly rich, and corporations are taxed at much higher levels. Not lower. Just like FDR proved beyond any doubt.

You have to be a total tool, to buy into the oligarch bullshit talking point, that low taxes and deregulation is what creates prosperity. Or you're a toady working for a billionaire selling that crap.
tax the rich at 90% and they will take their money and leave the country. Then who will you libs have to rape?
 
There are several clear statements in God's word that command us to lay everything down before His son's feet, including our possessions. That's what the first Christians did, and they were blessed and empowered for it. A true disciple of Jesus Christ obeys His Lord and walks in this world as Jesus did.

Some of God's greatest people were wealthy.


RICH PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE (FROM ABRAHAM TO ZACCHEUS)

 

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It's not one or the other. We can have both. Laws that severely punish government corruption and laws that mitigate the gross inequality of capitalism. Good government regulation and a social safety net for the working class. Protecting labor unions from being ripped to pieces by the rich, is also important. You only fault our civil government, shifting all of the blame upon it, as if the rich are perfectly innocent and have no obligations towards the society that allows them to engage in commerce and be rich. Without society or civil government, there isn't the law or infrastructure for capitalism to function.

Civil government is a divinely created institution. God loves good government and hates it when the rich abuse the working class.
It is the nature of man to be greedy. That is why I say money always finds power and power always sells access to itself. Think of what you are advocating. You are advocating even greater power for the government to exercise and to sell access to. More power = more corruption.
 
That's simply impossible. Money finds power, and powerful people sell access to that power. The ONLY way to get money out of politics is to reduce or eliminate the power that government can auction off to the highest bidder.
I’m fine with that but likely very difficult to accomplish now, since government has become so massive and uncontrolled.

I suspect removing money from politics is easier to accomplish.
 
There is existing TAX law. 72,000 pages of it. Everyone follows it (the IRS ensures that). If you want higher Tax rates on income? That won’t affect Billionaires. Do you think they draw a paycheck? If they do, in CA it is taxed at ~53% when goes over $450K.

They all pay at least Capital gains Tax when they sell stock. They pay whatever Tax is called for in the code. You want more from them on what transaction? There is already AMT tax rate. Numbers shown above are questionable at best?

Obiden is now in yr 12 yet they’ve done nothing about it? You should tell them what to change. How much rate you demand where.

note: if one accumulates wealth, they paid Tax during the accumulation. Now you demand a second piece?
 
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tax the rich at 90% and they will take their money and leave the country. Then who will you libs have to rape?
No they won't, provided the people prevent that from happening by the law of the land, which protects the country's economy. There's no reason why the American people have to allow capitalists to rape their economy and the working class in pursuit of their private profits. Economic cannibalism should be illegal and that's what capitalists do when they close their factories here and move them to China or Mexico. They are practicing a form of economic cannabilism and terrorism.

When capitalists lay off thousands of American workers because they're not satisfied with making a decent profit running their business operations here in America, moving it to Mexico to make INSANE SHORT-TERM PROFITS, by selling those former MADE IN THE USA products to the same American people they fired, that is ECONOMIC CANNIBALISM. Last time I checked, the Word of God, our Bible, prohibits cannibalism. You accuse the working class of raping the rich, it's actually the rich who are raping and eating the working class.

When Donald Trump was running for office in 2016, he portrayed himself as a Republican populist or defender of the working class. He promised those American workers in the Carrier plant in Indiana, that the plant wouldn't close and move to Mexico. He told them that they wouldn't lose their jobs.







About a year after he entered office, Carrier closed the plant in Indiana and all of those hard-working American workers, lost their jobs. Trump did nothing. He didn't impose tariffs on Carrier's products, manufactured outside of the US. We wouldn't have become the super-power that we are today, if not for the US government protecting local manufacturing, back when the government often regulated and protected our economy. Today "free-market" neoliberalism rules, hence politicians allow the "invisible hand", the chaos of the market to determine the state of our economy. That's foolish and completely unnecessary. Our democratic government has a role and obligation to regulate and protect our economy.
The true American patriots and disciples of Jesus Christ, are those who understand that. The fake American patriots and disciples of Jesus are those who serve the greed and hubris of the rich at the expense of American workers and the long-term health of our economy.

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GOD LOVES WORKERS - THOSE WHO WORK FOR A LIVING.
 
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