What ever happened to that ridiculous climate change hoax.

Sounds like you need something to do ... something to address these concerns and help work to correct and/or prevent tragedy ...

Use less energy in your everyday life ... and use money as the measure ... it costs less to walk to the store than it is to warm up the Ford F-150 ... ditch your air conditioner ... don't let children open the refrigerator ... use the money you save to buy PIZZA PIES !!! ...

Seriously, why would anyone worry about the solar energy striking the Greenland ice sheet? ... sunrise there isn't until February ... too little sunlight reaches so far away from the equator ... it won't make any difference to ocean currents ... none at all ...

We multiple our average irradiation values by the cosine of latitude ... and the cosine of 75º is very small ... so on average, the polar regions experience a net loss of heat energy due to convection ...


Those are truly good questions. Here are some answers from Google that are rather impressive:

"Is the land based Greenland ice sheet warming?"

Yes, the land-based Greenland ice sheet is warming and has been continuously losing mass every year since at least the late 1990s. This warming and resulting ice loss are accelerating due to human-caused climate change, with the Arctic region warming at a rate of nearly four times the global average.

Key Observations of Warming and Melt
  • Continuous Mass Loss: Since 2002, the Greenland ice sheet has lost an average of about 266 billion metric tons of ice per year. The year 1996 was the last time it experienced a net annual gain in mass.
  • Accelerating Rate: The rate of ice loss has accelerated significantly, melting seven times faster now than it did in the 1990s.
  • Above-Average Temperatures and Melt Events: The ice sheet's temperatures have been the highest in the past millennium, about 1.5°C (2.7°F) warmer than the 20th-century average. This has led to an increase in both the extent and duration of surface melting, including unprecedented late-season melt events.
  • Impact of Warming Air and Ocean Water:
    • Surface Melt: Warmer air temperatures cause increased surface melting and rain events at high elevations, which can damage the ice sheet.
    • Oceanic Melt: Warming ocean waters also play a significant role by melting the fronts of marine-terminating glaciers from underneath, leading to faster ice flow and increased iceberg calving.
  • Feedback Loops: As the ice melts, it exposes darker bare rock and promotes vegetation growth, which absorbs more solar energy than reflective ice and snow. This phenomenon, known as the ice-albedo feedback, further accelerates local warming and melting.
 
Not idiocy, opinion opposite yours.

No ... it's idiocy ... Surface Air Pressure is defined as the weight of the air column above the surface ... for Earth, this is 14.7 pounds per square inch ... or 101,300 newtons per square meter ...

Temperature has no effect on these values ... none what-so-ever ...
 
Those are truly good questions. Here are some answers from Google that are rather impressive:

"Is the land based Greenland ice sheet warming?"

Why did you program your AI that way ... you know that only returns answers you want to hear ... and it will lie to do so ...

Shame on you ... think for yourself while you still can ...
 
Which just makes you a liar.

Ding the liar.

Lies make Baby Jesus cry.

Ding, you aren't going to do this. Because you know you are exactly where you belong... shouting into the void on a message board. Where the charlatans belong.
You seem more interested in labling conservatives as untruthful,
Than you are in "climate change"
Still my thread.
 
Just answer the following question:

Are the Ocean Temperatures Warming or NOT?
Are sea Creatures? Crab?




You this is NOT about weather, ONLY an idiot would mention "Weather."
Oops ....... as lemmings to the promise of controlling weather.
which oceans creature are changing location because of Ocean Temperature rises?

Many ocean creatures are changing their geographic range as ocean temperatures rise. In general, species are moving toward the poles or into deeper, cooler water. Here are well-documented examples across different groups:

🐟 Fish​

  • Atlantic cod – shifting northward in the North Atlantic
  • Mackerel – expanding into Arctic waters
  • Tuna (bluefin, yellowfin) – moving farther north and south than historical ranges
  • Salmon – altered migration timing and range, especially in the Pacific
  • Lionfish – expanding into new areas as waters warm

🦐 Invertebrates​

  • American lobster – moving north from southern New England toward Canada
  • Snow crab – shifting into deeper, colder waters
  • Squid – rapidly expanding poleward due to fast life cycles
  • Jellyfish – increasing in abundance and range in warmer waters

🐋 Marine Mammals​

  • Whales (humpback, gray, right whales) – changing migration routes and feeding grounds
  • Dolphins – appearing in regions previously too cold
  • Seals – losing ice-based habitats and shifting distribution

🪸 Corals & Reef Species​

  • Tropical corals – experiencing die-offs in warmer areas, while new reefs form at higher latitudes
  • Reef fish – moving with coral habitats or into subtropical zones

🐢 Reptiles​

  • Sea turtles – nesting beaches shifting poleward; sex ratios changing due to warmer sand

🌿 Plankton (Foundation of the Food Web)​

  • Phytoplankton & zooplankton – shifting poleward, affecting entire marine food chains

Why this matters​

  • Disrupts fisheries and coastal economies
  • Causes predator–prey mismatches
  • Introduces invasive species into new ecosystems
  • Alters entire food webs
If you want, I can:

  • Give specific regional examples (e.g., Atlantic vs Pacific)
  • Focus on one species in detail
  • Explain how fast these shifts are happening
  • Connect this to human impacts like fishing or food supply
This is a great menu no doubt,
are all the earth's water cooling or warming at the same time.

What is the total value of the earths btu at par sun (mean no plus minus influence variation)

I'd say to measure that start in iceland.

Do you want to be responsible for ******* around with CO2
Kniwing that it's a finite reserve of heat,
Which if you look ahead eons may come in clod space handy handy.
 
Are the Ocean Temperatures Warming or NOT?
Yes, just like they always do after a glacial period ends and the northern hemisphere deglaciates like it is today.

ocean temperature.webp


 
apparently the top layer of the ice and snow on the Greenland ice Sheet is getting darker and is absorbing more solar energy

It also insulates it. In fact, the insulation effect is more than enough to "overpower" and increase in solar energy striking it, and the coating actually helps the ice survive longer.

That is a major reason why the newest glacier on the planet grew so damned fast. Even though it was created and is growing inside of an active volcano.
 
Those are truly good questions. Here are some answers from Google that are rather impressive:

"Is the land based Greenland ice sheet warming?"
My dad used to say,
You ask all the right questions,
that's the highest complement you can give to someone who isn't afraid to ask a question

May i just say i'm glad i started this thread,
He would love that !

ArchiveGrid : Erlandson, Paul M. Papers, 1933-1990 https://share.google/nsjKccocQdqgXvCUX

He signed the Oregon petion
before Oregon petitions became fashionable.
 
Yes, just like they always do after a glacial period ends and the northern hemisphere deglaciates like it is today.

ocean temperature.webp

Of course, one has to realize that most people are amazingly unaware that there have been multiple "Ice Ages" in the last 3.5 million years. Your charts above only capture the last seven over the past 700 ky. So it can be expected that the total number is somewhere around 7x5 as that chart only covers 1/5 of the current glaciation cycle.

This is why I laugh my ass off most times at the alarmists. We have records of multiple ice ages and interglacials, and from what we have been able to compile from records this is the coldest interglacial the planet has seen in 3.5 my. Not the warmest like they want us to believe.

One simply has to examine the limestone scattered all over Florida to see that. Limestone, laid down when that land was not land but coral reefs and underwater. Hell, the top layers of the Anastasia Formation is only around 110 ky, which is during the last interglacial. And that is the formation that is under Eastern Florida today.

Hawthorn_CypressHeadFormations.thumb.jpg.dada23ba9e4758a11b5346aaf2d4866d.jpg


The main reason why we know what Florida looks like during interglacials is the large amounts of limestone found on that peninsula. All of it built up over millions of years during interglacials when waters were warmer and seas were higher. Just compare the limestone map above with one I have shown in here before.

sea-change-over-time.jpg


They were not just making crap up in the map above, that comes from following the layers of limestone under the state and dating it. And the topmost layers all date to around 110 kya. And is sitting on top of even older limestones around 400 kya and 500 kya.



I have absolutely no idea why people think as our climate as higher than normal as well as sea levels higher than normal. Geology proves that is not true at all and that we are colder with lower sea levels than normal.
 
My dad used to say,
You ask all the right questions,
that's the highest complement you can give to someone who isn't afraid to ask a question

May i just say i'm glad i started this thread,
He would love that !

ArchiveGrid : Erlandson, Paul M. Papers, 1933-1990 https://share.google/nsjKccocQdqgXvCUX

He signed the Oregon petion
before Oregon petitions became fashionable.


Here is something for you to think about:

If the Isthmus of Chignecto between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and the USA State of MAINE is the most vulnerable real estate on earth to the threat of rising ocean levels.......

Where is the SECOND most vulnerable real estate on earth.......

If I remember my statistics correctly it is real estate along the coast of Shanghai, China?

Mr. Al Gore could do a film or two or three on this general idea.......

but so could some bright young university or high school students?

Frankly so could Your CHILDREN or grandchildren because they can get images online from all over the world.

If it is true that Robotics and Artificial Intelligence are going to put twenty percent to forty percent of us out of our first career over the coming two to four decades, then we will have to find something else to do.

Film production cooperatives and companies, based in specific localities have enormous potential in the near future.

 
There is a reason I call AI "Artificial Idiocy". And the answers are the opposite of "impressive".

Unless you mean "Impressively bad".


Good question but no I mean impressive good.

So far Artificial Intelligence - Chat GPT is relatively intellectually honest and has not yet been taken over by politically correct Fact Cherker - programmers!
 
So far Artificial Intelligence - Chat GPT is relatively intellectually honest and has not yet been taken over by politically correct Fact Cherker - programmers!

AI is no different than ELIZA was over half a century ago. And when it comes to "fact checkers", all I have to say in response is "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?".

I often laugh at how bad AI answers are, such as just a moment ago when AI said that this is the warmest interglacial on record. When in reality this is the coldest interglacial on record.

AI does not think, it simply vomits up a response based on the information it parses. And when that information is tainted, it is only natural that the AI response is tainted.
 
AI is no different than ELIZA was over half a century ago. And when it comes to "fact checkers", all I have to say in response is "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?".

I often laugh at how bad AI answers are, such as just a moment ago when AI said that this is the warmest interglacial on record. When in reality this is the coldest interglacial on record.

AI does not think, it simply vomits up a response based on the information it parses. And when that information is tainted, it is only natural that the AI response is tainted.

I have to agree that A. I. is tainted....
that comment is obviously true.....
but I have been on this type of discussion forum since 2003 and the results that I got back from a Google Search over these past couple of months was rather impressive.....
at least in comparison to the average almost totally partisan comments that we tend to see on political discussion forums.
 
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Here is something for you to think about:

If the Isthmus of Chignecto between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and the USA State of MAINE is the most vulnerable real estate on earth to the threat of rising ocean levels.......

Where is the SECOND most vulnerable real estate on earth.......

If I remember my statistics correctly it is real estate along the coast of Shanghai, China?

Mr. Al Gore could do a film or two or three on this general idea.......

but so could some bright young university or high school students?

Frankly so could Your CHILDREN or grandchildren because they can get images online from all over the world.

If it is true that Robotics and Artificial Intelligence are going to put twenty percent to forty percent of us out of our first career over the coming two to four decades, then we will have to find something else to do.

Film production cooperatives and companies, based in specific localities have enormous potential in the near future.

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Let me think about it..
 
Of course, one has to realize that most people are amazingly unaware that there have been multiple "Ice Ages" in the last 3.5 million years. Your charts above only capture the last seven over the past 700 ky. So it can be expected that the total number is somewhere around 7x5 as that chart only covers 1/5 of the current glaciation cycle.

This is why I laugh my ass off most times at the alarmists. We have records of multiple ice ages and interglacials, and from what we have been able to compile from records this is the coldest interglacial the planet has seen in 3.5 my. Not the warmest like they want us to believe.

One simply has to examine the limestone scattered all over Florida to see that. Limestone, laid down when that land was not land but coral reefs and underwater. Hell, the top layers of the Anastasia Formation is only around 110 ky, which is during the last interglacial. And that is the formation that is under Eastern Florida today.

Hawthorn_CypressHeadFormations.thumb.jpg.dada23ba9e4758a11b5346aaf2d4866d.jpg


The main reason why we know what Florida looks like during interglacials is the large amounts of limestone found on that peninsula. All of it built up over millions of years during interglacials when waters were warmer and seas were higher. Just compare the limestone map above with one I have shown in here before.

sea-change-over-time.jpg


They were not just making crap up in the map above, that comes from following the layers of limestone under the state and dating it. And the topmost layers all date to around 110 kya. And is sitting on top of even older limestones around 400 kya and 500 kya.



I have absolutely no idea why people think as our climate as higher than normal as well as sea levels higher than normal. Geology proves that is not true at all and that we are colder with lower sea levels than normal.

I know why
the tv & internet
 
I know why
the tv & internet

Mostly because it is easier to simply accept what anybody tells you without bothering to check the facts for yourself.

Plus the insane number of attacks one falls under if they dare to even appear to contradict the religious fanatics.
 
Mostly because it is easier to simply accept what anybody tells you without bothering to check the facts for yourself.

Plus the insane number of attacks one falls under if they dare to even appear to contradict the religious fanatics.
That and they kind of want it to be true. Like they needed another reason to think man was a piece of shit... like there weren't already enough reasons to believe that. Maybe they believe they aren't pieces of shit because they argue man should cut his carbon emissions. Like their carbon emissions are somehow different. Talk about hypocrites.
 

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