What do you expect of Billionaires being the leaders?

[Grumblenuts]

5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

In his case, I'd say Yes and Yes.

 

[elektra]

I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:

1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.

Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?

Martin Luther King grew up rich. As the son of a minister everything was given and guaranteed. Rich beyond the dreams of the average black person at the time.

Being rich eliminates Martin Luther King from your comparison

 

[Luckyone]

That was complete nonsense.

Explain in detail why you call in "complete nonsense". Words are cheap. You need to support them with facts, in order to be believed.

Here is the AI generated explanation of what norm and exception are:

A "norm" refers to the standard or usual pattern of behavior, while an "exception" is something that deviates from that standard, meaning it is a specific case that does not follow the established rule or norm; essentially, an exception is something that is "different" or "unusual" compared to the norm.

Now it is your turn to support your view.

 

[elektra]

I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:

1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.

Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?

Ghandi grew up rich, that is now 2 on your list that fails your, "rich test"

 

[Luckyone]

In his case, I'd say Yes and Yes.

AI generated reply

No, Winston Churchill was not wealthy and was not born into a wealthy family:

• Family background
  Churchill's father, Lord Randolph Churchill, was a younger son and inherited a relatively modest amount of money. His mother, Jennie Jerome, was an American socialite who was a spendthrift.
  
  
• Childhood
  Churchill grew up with a sense of privilege and heritage, but his family struggled financially. His parents' expensive tastes and borrowing left them in debt, and Churchill's mother complained about his frequent requests for money.
  
  
• Finances
  Churchill's finances were a mess for most of his life. He gambled, lost money on the stock market, and avoided paying taxes. He was able to maintain his status by borrowing money, but he was always on the brink of financial ruin.
  
  
• Marriage
  Churchill married Clementine, who was well born but also impoverished

 

[elektra]

MANDELA grew up rich

 

[elektra]

Churchill grew up rich?

Your entire OP, is full of bullshit, stuff not true

 

[Luckyone]

Ghandi grew up rich, that is now 2 on your list that fails your, "rich test"

AI generated information

Mahatma Gandhi was born into a middle-class family of political officials in India:

• Family background
  Gandhi's grandfather was the Prime Minister of Porbandar, and his father Karamchand was the Diwan, or Deputy Prime Minister. The Gandhi family originated in the village of Kutiana, and many generations served as civil servants in the state administration.
  
  You are now 2 for 2 being wrong and both from AI generated information
  

 

[Luckyone]

MANDELA grew up rich

You really are making a fool out of yourself. AI is proving you wrong at every turn

No, Nelson Mandela grew up in poverty:

• Family
  Mandela's family was not wealthy, though they held a high position in the Thembu tribe of South Africa. His father was a counselor to the tribal chief, but lost his title and fortune in a dispute with a colonial magistrate.
  
  
• Living conditions
  Mandela's family lived in huts and grew much of their own food. They cooked outdoors and got water from springs and streams.

 

[elektra]

Explain in detail why you call in "complete nonsense". Words are cheap. You need to support them with facts, in order to be believed.

Uh, explain in detail, the details you do not post yourself?

support with facts? Okay, you said something is the norm and an "exemption" but you gave no facts

Your comment is nonsense because you did not include fact, which you now state, should be included.

What norm and "exemption" are you speaking of

 

[meaner gene]

There is so much wrong with the premise of this OP.

A false premise to begin with.

Let them eat cake.

 

[Frankenstein]

I've been reminded over the last few years how much importance Americans place in celebrity. Remember that most of Trump's celebrity is from his staged teevee show, not his bankruptcy-spotted business acumen. Looks like Musk has made that transition, too.

Next we'll see Kim Kardashian as Secretary of Commerce. Image and marketing. That's just America now.

So why do the dems pay celebrities to come out in their favor?

 

[Mr Natural]

I expect more tax cuts so they can trickle down upon us.

 

[shockedcanadian]

We ALL know (great amount of already verified proof) that Trump has spent his entire life conning people, meaning he knows what to do but does not relate to the pain of the people, because if he did know and cares about people, he would not have done it.

This is not about holding his fortune against him but about understanding what the man is capable of and likely to do,

He cares about his legacy. He will have four years in which to write it for the history books. The most important chapter of a celebrated career in the limelight. A reinforcement of his resilience

 

[meaner gene]

Trump was a celebrity before the apprentice.

Trump is a celebrity cause he is rich, not because he was on the apprentice

Wrong about Biden and Kamala, democrats can't get anything right

Actually that points out Trumps poor business skills. He was practically bankrupt before the Apprentice, which was a lucrative deal that made more than Trumps real estate deals.

 

[Luckyone]

Martin Luther King grew up rich. As the son of a minister everything was given and guaranteed. Rich beyond the dreams of the average black person at the time.

Being rich eliminates Martin Luther King from your comparison

Once again, AI is tearing you to pieces

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No, Martin Luther King Jr. did not grow up rich, but he did come from a comfortable middle-class family:

• His parents were college-educated and had a car and piano.
  
  
• His father, Michael Luther King Sr., was a successful minister who took over the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta after his father-in-law died.
  
  
• The family lived on Auburn Avenue, also known as “Sweet Auburn,” a thriving Black community in Atlanta.
  
  
• King's father was able to provide for his family's basic needs by saving and budgeting.
  
  
• King said he never experienced a lack of basic necessities.
  

King's family was part of a prosperous community, but it was also segregated. King and his family often endured racial humiliation, and he was whipped by his father until he was 15

 

[Grumblenuts]

AI generated reply

No, Winston Churchill was not wealthy and was not born into a wealthy family:

• Family background
  Churchill's father, Lord Randolph Churchill, was a younger son and inherited a relatively modest amount of money. His mother, Jennie Jerome, was an American socialite who was a spendthrift.
  
  
• Childhood
  Churchill grew up with a sense of privilege and heritage, but his family struggled financially. His parents' expensive tastes and borrowing left them in debt, and Churchill's mother complained about his frequent requests for money.
  
  
• Finances
  Churchill's finances were a mess for most of his life. He gambled, lost money on the stock market, and avoided paying taxes. He was able to maintain his status by borrowing money, but he was always on the brink of financial ruin.
  
  
• Marriage
  Churchill married Clementine, who was well born but also impoverished

Like Trump who's declared bankruptcy at least six times.
Electra is incredibly stupid.

 

[22lcidw]

I've been reminded over the last few years how much importance Americans place in celebrity. Remember that most of Trump's celebrity is from his staged teevee show, not his bankruptcy-spotted business acumen. Looks like Musk has made that transition, too.

Next we'll see Kim Kardashian as Secretary of Commerce. Image and marketing. That's just America now.

Kim Kardashian and Elon Musk. The Prog comparison game. That is why we are in decline.

 

[elektra]

You really are making a fool out of yourself. AI is proving you wrong at every turn

No, Nelson Mandela grew up in poverty:

• Family
  Mandela's family was not wealthy, though they held a high position in the Thembu tribe of South Africa. His father was a counselor to the tribal chief,

Poverty? Fool?

Mandela's family was royalty. In Africa that makes you rich.

Then if course, Mandela did not live with his mom and dad, right.

Mandela grew up in the Thembu palace, affording him school and the luxuries very few Africans had at the time.

Fool, you are a joke

 

[elektra]

Once again, AI is tearing you to pieces

AI Overview
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No, Martin Luther King Jr. did not grow up rich, but he did come from a comfortable middle-class family:

• His parents were college-educated and had a car and piano.
  
  
• His father, Michael Luther King Sr., was a successful minister who took over the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta after his father-in-law died.
  
  
• The family lived on Auburn Avenue, also known as “Sweet Auburn,” a thriving Black community in Atlanta.
  
  
• King's father was able to provide for his family's basic needs by saving and budgeting.
  
  
• King said he never experienced a lack of basic necessities.

King's family was part of a prosperous community, but it was also segregated. King and his family often endured racial humiliation, and he was whipped by his father until he was 15

AI, so you admit you can not explain your nonsense

Compared to black people in the south at the time with no education, jobs, or food, MLK Jr was rich. Never once worried about food, work, or a higher education.

That is rich.