What do you expect of Billionaires being the leaders?

Do you think that a Billionaire from a wealthy family can relate-to/empathize with the common person

  • No

    Votes: 16 50.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 16 50.0%

  • Total voters
    32
Yet, we don't have dozens of people that worked for Trump saying Trump did not care about them. I don't think there is one.
You are correct. We don't have dozens of people.


We have hundreds.

Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills



Read the article before you fabricate your deluded response.

Cheating workers is a well-known characteristic of Trump.

Like I said above, everyone on this forum knows more than you do.
 
Yet, we don't have dozens of people that worked for Trump saying Trump did not care about them. I don't think there is one.

Politics don't count.
Just one example of people who worked for Trump that he didn't care about.

In May, Trump Miami Resort Management LLC settled with 48 servers at his Miami golf resort over failing to pay overtime for a special event.
Some workers put in 20-hour days over the 10-day Passover event at Trump National Doral Miami,


That's 48 people who worked for Trump.
 
Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person.
Musk was not born Rich. Musk's first business was sold for $500.00. He borrowed $28,000 and started Pay Pal and got paid some 163 million dollars when it was sold to E bay.
 
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The fact is, the days when a man with humble beginnings like Abraham Lincoln can become president are long, long gone.

It takes nearly a billion dollars to get elected president nowadays. For a job which pays $400,000 a year.

I know at this exact moment some of Trump's cult are thinking about how he donated his White House salary.

But you can be sure they never, EVER think about the $8,000,000,000,000 he added to our debt.

Trump would have to be president for 20 MILLION YEARS to break even. And he would have to not add another penny to the debt in all that time.


You have to be VERY wealthy, and have a lot of rich friends and hangers-on, to get elected to ANY federal office these days.

Here's a shock. Over $15 billion was spent on elections this year.

You think those billionaire donors don't expect something in return?


This is the Age of Grift.
 
Musk was not born Rich. Musk's first business was sold for $200.00. He borrowed $28,000 and started Pay Pal and got paid some 163 million dollars when it was sold to E bay.
Elon Musk went to the most expensive schools in South Africa

Musk graduated from Pretoria Boys High School in South Africa. Musk attended Waterkloof House Preparatory School, Bryanston High School, and then Pretoria Boys High School, where he graduated. Musk was a good but not exceptional student,

South Africa's most expensive government day school in 2024 is still Pretoria Boys' High School in Gauteng.
 
Elon Musk went to the most expensive schools in South Africa

Musk graduated from Pretoria Boys High School in South Africa. Musk attended Waterkloof House Preparatory School, Bryanston High School, and then Pretoria Boys High School, where he graduated. Musk was a good but not exceptional student,

South Africa's most expensive government day school in 2024 is still Pretoria Boys' High School in Gauteng.
I am fine with that.
 
I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:
  1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
  2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
  3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
  4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
  5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.
Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?
You didn’t do the research. Churchill came from wealth. An old aristocratic family.

He was an awful leader. He was partially responsible for WWII.
 
Musk was not born Rich. Musk's first business was sold for $200.00. He borrowed $28,000 and started Pay Pal and got paid some 163 million dollars when it was sold to E bay.
AI Generated response:

Yes, Elon Musk was born into a wealthy family:

  • Parents
    His father, Errol Musk, was a real estate developer, engineer, and emerald dealer. His mother, Maye Musk, was a model and dietitian.

  • Family wealth
    The Musk family's wealth grew significantly in the 1980s when Errol purchased an emerald mine in Zambia. The family's wealth was estimated to be over $100 million at the time.

  • Childhood
    Musk had a comfortable childhood and benefited from his family's wealth and resources. However, he has said that he didn't have a happy childhood and that his family's money wasn't a big factor in his success.

  • Financial support
    Musk has said that his father didn't support him financially after high school and that he hasn't inherited anything from anyone. He and his brother financially supported their father in the 1990s.

  • Building his fortune
    Musk founded his first company, Zip2, which provided online business directories and maps to newspapers. He later sold the company to Compaq for almost $300 million in 1999.

    Bottom line is that he was given education, good living, no hassles when young. He did not LIVE the life of a poor or middle man and as such, he cannot empathize with those who have. The fact he was not given economic support is meaningless. He was given the education needed and he personally was a capable individual and built his own wealth. He may empathize with an unhappy family but not on an economic basis
 
You are correct. We don't have dozens of people.


We have hundreds.

Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills



Read the article before you fabricate your deluded response.

Cheating workers is a well-known characteristic of Trump.

Like I said above, everyone on this forum knows more than you do.
I know more than you know. And this kind of slur is why so many elected Trump. We don't believe you bullshitters.
 
Parents sending you to the most expensive schools in the country, is an indication that you were brought up "RICH"
His dad was an Engineer. How often will an Engineer be rich. Wny don't
you get facts to tell here?
 
I know more than you know. And this kind of slur is why so many elected Trump. We don't believe you bullshitters.
In May, Trump Miami Resort Management LLC settled with 48 servers at his Miami golf resort over failing to pay overtime for a special event.
Some workers put in 20-hour days over the 10-day Passover event at Trump National Doral Miami,
 
You didn’t do the research. Churchill came from wealth. An old aristocratic family.

He was an awful leader. He was partially responsible for WWII.
By the way, this OP is not about him or about any of the other people. They are just potential examples. This OP is about the lack of ability to empathize with people that have lived different lives than you have. Being wealthy and never having to struggle for anything is what this OP is about. How can you represent people that you never felt what they felt.
 
His dad was an Engineer. How often will an Engineer be rich. Wny don't
you get facts to tell here?
An engineer worth an estimated $100 million

The Musk family's wealth grew significantly in the 1980s when Errol purchased an emerald mine in Zambia. The family's wealth was estimated to be over $100 million at the time.
 
I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:
  1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
  2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
  3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
  4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
  5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.
Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?
Sure it's possible.

It's also weird trying to compare Caeser and Klan to anything modern.


Other leaders that grew up poor, were Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Castro, Stalin.....I could go on....look what sort of havoc that placed on the world. The common theme is leftist policies bring havoc
 
AI Generated response:

Yes, Elon Musk was born into a wealthy family:

  • Parents
    His father, Errol Musk, was a real estate developer, engineer, and emerald dealer. His mother, Maye Musk, was a model and dietitian.

  • Family wealth
    The Musk family's wealth grew significantly in the 1980s when Errol purchased an emerald mine in Zambia. The family's wealth was estimated to be over $100 million at the time.

  • Childhood
    Musk had a comfortable childhood and benefited from his family's wealth and resources. However, he has said that he didn't have a happy childhood and that his family's money wasn't a big factor in his success.

  • Financial support
    Musk has said that his father didn't support him financially after high school and that he hasn't inherited anything from anyone. He and his brother financially supported their father in the 1990s.

  • Building his fortune
    Musk founded his first company, Zip2, which provided online business directories and maps to newspapers. He later sold the company to Compaq for almost $300 million in 1999.

    Bottom line is that he was given education, good living, no hassles when young. He did not LIVE the life of a poor or middle man and as such, he cannot empathize with those who have. The fact he was not given economic support is meaningless. He was given the education needed and he personally was a capable individual and built his own wealth. He may empathize with an unhappy family but not on an economic basis
 
An engineer worth an estimated $100 million

The Musk family's wealth grew significantly in the 1980s when Errol purchased an emerald mine in Zambia. The family's wealth was estimated to be over $100 million at the time.
Elon says he was beaten up as a young person and that he got nothing from that father.
 
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