What do you expect of Billionaires being the leaders?

[WEATHER53]

I suggest you read all of my responses on this OP. What you said is the same thing others have said and with ONE exception, you are wrong. Even then, none of them were born to Billionaire families. Wealthy is not necessarily Billionaire.

Having said that, the OP is about Billionaires born in Billionaire families being able to relate to poor and middle class families. Answer that before criticizing anything else. That is what the OP is about

Your suggestions would be what broke ass blaming losers do

 

[IDIOCRACY]

I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:

1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.

Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?

 

[BlackSand]

Let me put it in a way that even you can understand

In 1974, Trump got $414 million from his father. If he had put that into the SPX and done NOTHING, it would be worth $414 billion today. Trump is worth $2.6 billion today.

Once again, if he had done nothing but put that money in the SPX and let it sit there until now, it would be worth 15 times more than he is worth now. Is that being a good businessman?

Here is the AI generated information on what I just said:

If you had invested $1,000 in the S&P 500 (SPX) in 1974, it would be worth approximately $1,000,000 today, considering the historical average annual return of around 11% with reinvesting dividends.

Michael Bloomberg started in 1981 (7 years after Trump started) and he started with nothing and is now worth $106 billion and he has donated to charity $17.6 billion. This means that in his business life, he has made 47 times more money than Trump and he started with NOTHING

As of April 2024, Forbes ranked him as the thirteenth-richest person in the world, with an estimated net worth of US$106.2 billion. Bloomberg, who has signed The Giving Pledge, has given away $17.4 billion to philanthropic causes in his lifetime. Bloomberg was elected the 108th mayor of New York City in 2001.

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Let me put it this way ... You never had $414 million ...
You never did anything with $414 million ... You still don't have $414 million ...
And you cannot empathize with anyone who does.

If you ever have $414 million ... I support you being able to do what you want with your $414 million ...
Instead of sending it to the Federal Government that cannot account for more than half of the $4.3 trillion it spent last year.

Talk about what's a failure ...
That would be you and the Establishment you keep insisting everyone trust ...

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[hadit]

Let me put it in a way that even you can understand

In 1974, Trump got $414 million from his father. If he had put that into the SPX and done NOTHING, it would be worth $414 billion today. Trump is worth $2.6 billion today.

Once again, if he had done nothing but put that money in the SPX and let it sit there until now, it would be worth 15 times more than he is worth now. Is that being a good businessman?

Here is the AI generated information on what I just said:

If you had invested $1,000 in the S&P 500 (SPX) in 1974, it would be worth approximately $1,000,000 today, considering the historical average annual return of around 11% with reinvesting dividends.

Michael Bloomberg started in 1981 (7 years after Trump started) and he started with nothing and is now worth $106 billion and he has donated to charity $17.6 billion. This means that in his business life, he has made 47 times more money than Trump and he started with NOTHING

As of April 2024, Forbes ranked him as the thirteenth-richest person in the world, with an estimated net worth of US$106.2 billion. Bloomberg, who has signed The Giving Pledge, has given away $17.4 billion to philanthropic causes in his lifetime. Bloomberg was elected the 108th mayor of New York City in 2001.

TRUMP! could have done what the idle rich normally do, which is to sock it all away and live the big life, thus earning your contempt, envy and hatred. He did not. Instead, he went to work, hiring and paying thousands of workers and building things people use, hotels, casinos, golf courses, etc., thus earning your contempt, envy and hatred. What has Bloomberg built with his wealth? Has he done anything beyond moving other people's money around, scraping off his share every time? For this he has earned commendation from you.

Do you see a trend in this? I know, Orange Man Bad, you hate TRUMP! rabidly and irrationally and cannot credit him with anything under the sun. Turning a hundred million or so into billions and paying a lot of people along the way is a success, it simply doesn't matter if someone else got more.

 

[Man With A Plan]

I suggest you read all of my responses on this OP. What you said is the same thing others have said and with ONE exception, you are wrong. Even then, none of them were born to Billionaire families. Wealthy is not necessarily Billionaire.

Having said that, the OP is about Billionaires born in Billionaire families being able to relate to poor and middle class families. Answer that before criticizing anything else. That is what the OP is about

You're the one who used the term "wealthy" as something detrimental but the examples you put forth as being good leaders...all but one came from families that were well to do which means the central premise of your OP is laughably flawed!

 

[E. Pluribus]

Billionaires who enter politics don't need the money obviously, so they do what's right for the country, and are not beholding to wealthy campaign donors who only want their own personal agendas passed.

 

[Luckyone]

You're the one who used the term "wealthy" as something detrimental but the examples you put forth as being good leaders...all but one came from families that were well to do which means the central premise of your OP is laughably flawed!

This is the premise of the OP

Do you think that a Billionaire from a wealthy family can relate-to/empathize with the common person​

What is YOUR opinion. If the answer is yes, then explain why!

 

[Luckyone]

TRUMP! could have done what the idle rich normally do, which is to sock it all away and live the big life, thus earning your contempt, envy and hatred. He did not. Instead, he went to work, hiring and paying thousands of workers and building things people use, hotels, casinos, golf courses, etc., thus earning your contempt, envy and hatred. What has Bloomberg built with his wealth? Has he done anything beyond moving other people's money around, scraping off his share every time? For this he has earned commendation from you.

Do you see a trend in this? I know, Orange Man Bad, you hate TRUMP! rabidly and irrationally and cannot credit him with anything under the sun. Turning a hundred million or so into billions and paying a lot of people along the way is a success, it simply doesn't matter if someone else got more.

You are aware of this fact, are you not?

and

 

[Luckyone]

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Let me put it this way ... You never had $414 million ...
You never did anything with $414 million ... You still don't have $414 million ...
And you cannot empathize with anyone who does.

If you ever have $414 million ... I support you being able to do what you want with your $414 million ...
Instead of sending it to the Federal Government that cannot account for more than half of the $4.3 trillion it spent last year.

Talk about what's a failure ...
That would be you and the Establishment you keep insisting everyone trust ...

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Lots of words. Bottom line, Trump is a failure as a businessman

 

[Luckyone]

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So you cannot address the OP, can you?

 

[Mr Natural]

Lots of words. Bottom line, Trump is a failure as a businessman

And yet somehow, He’s managed to live the billionaire lifestyle.

How’s that possible?

 

[Luckyone]

Once again, 45% of the respondents to the Poll in the OP have answered "yes, a Billionaire from a wealthy family can relate to/empathize with a poor or middle class family. Nonetheless, there have been no responses as to why and how they can relate to such families.

You have an opinion but you cannot support it?

 

[Luckyone]

And yet somehow, He’s managed to live the billionaire lifestyle.

How’s that possible?

He came from a billionaire family and got help from interested-in-his-influence people (such as Tevfik Arif from the Bayrock Group who is a Russian Real Estate Mogul that has ties to the Russian Mafia. Trump partnered with them in 2001 and through 2008. ). In other words, he likely sold his soul to get help.

 

[hadit]

Lots of words. Bottom line, Trump is a failure as a businessman

Yeah, he only turned a few hundred million into billions. Big fail there, only in Orange Man Bad land.

 

[hadit]

He came from a billionaire family and got help from interested-in-his-influence people (such as Tevfik Arif from the Bayrock Group who is a Russian Real Estate Mogul that has ties to the Russian Mafia. Trump partnered with them in 2001 and through 2008. ). In other words, he likely sold his soul to get help.

Which TRUMP! had over a billion dollars before he did?

 

[BlackSand]

Lots of words. Bottom line, Trump is a failure as a businessman

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Oddly enough ... He is a more successful businessman than you are ... When it comes to the actual bottom line.
And I truly understand why those simple words and facts are completely lost on you.

You really have a hard time accepting your incompetence, inadequacies ... Your Inability to escape them ...
And the realization that your dreams will never come true ... Especially if you think the Federal Government could help ...

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[WEATHER53]

Lots of words. Bottom line, Trump is a failure as a businessman

Out of his 500 registered, 30 or 6% failed
Stop lying

 

[WEATHER53]

He came from a billionaire family and got help from interested-in-his-influence people (such as Tevfik Arif from the Bayrock Group who is a Russian Real Estate Mogul that has ties to the Russian Mafia. Trump partnered with them in 2001 and through 2008. ). In other words, he likely sold his soul to get help.

His father was broke when he started out and never achieved billionaire status

 

[boedicca]

Yes, each of us is unique but overall there is not a lot of different painful experiences (death of a loved one, physical damage, loss of income or unexpected expense, discrimination, hate against us, etc.) that cannot be put in a general list.

Having said that, both Trump and Musk have shown us clearly (through their actions throughout their lives) that their experiences have not taught them caring for others. Have not taught them empathy. In fact, Trump's actions have shown that he does not learn from his mistakes (he always blames others for anything that goes wrong). It is a classic narcissist trait.

I call shenanigans. Please provide verifiable information that Trump and Musk treat regular old Americans with less respect than they have earned. Elon firing people who are low-value performers doesn't count as "not caring" for others. He definitely cares about the people he pays to do work. Paying people to sit around and drink coffee all day is not a good business strategy - it's good he ended that. Now look at Trump and how he treats the people who work for and interact with him out in public. Except for incredibly rude media and public figures (who lob insults at him), he is quite gracious.

So - links?

 

[Man With A Plan]

This is the premise of the OP

Do you think that a Billionaire from a wealthy family can relate-to/empathize with the common person​

What is YOUR opinion. If the answer is yes, then explain why!

Do I think that Donald Trump empathizes with the "common person" better than Kamala Harris? Is that where you're going with this? Yes. I do think that! More importantly a few million "common" people believe it too and voted for Trump despite claims from the left that Trump only cared about Billionaires! Donald Trump has always worked his ass off despite being from money. He recognizes that in "common" people and likes that in them. You know why common people don't identify with Kamala Harris? They don't see her as someone who succeeded because of hard work. She's not that person. She succeeded because of Willie Brown and DEI hiring. She's not that bright but worse than that...she's lazy.