What do liberals want the US to be?

It was not the GOP who caused that market crash.
It was the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank (progressives) who gave out credit so people could invest in the stock market.

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

In 1931 repercussions from Europe deepened the crisis, even though the President presented to Congress a program asking for creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to aid business, additional help for farmers facing mortgage foreclosures, banking reform, a loan to states for feeding the unemployed, expansion of public works, and drastic governmental economy.

At the same time he reiterated his view that while people must not suffer from hunger and cold, caring for them must be primarily a local and voluntary responsibility.

His opponents in Congress, who he felt were sabotaging his program for their own political gain, unfairly painted him as a callous and cruel President. Hoover became the scapegoat for the Depression and was badly defeated in 1932.
cut taxes and expand public works spending? :lol: :laugh2: :rofl:

Even when "local and voluntary" responsibilities cannot meet the demand? How cold and dehumanizing.

Poor Hoover, misunderstood. Boo hoo hoo

He was a good man. He entered politics. Stop whining for him

Whining?
Well that's proof that you don't read American History. :lmao:

Rakove: Original Meanings -- try it. also Madison's Writings/Letters

please stop posting as if you know history from other than Readers Digest and Glenn Beck

I have read Madison's writings and letters, plus Washington's, Adams and Jefferson's, also the Federalist papers.
Rakove - well that explains a lot.
For some reason I suspect your truthfulness here

I am not a liar.
I don't care what you believe because you are the one always believing the lefties lies and thinks it's the truth Dante.
You would not know the truth even it bit you on the nose.
 
How is that a stupid response?

You said that the wealthy class has a " disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps."

I assumed that you meant they had such a say because they are able to spend their money to influence legislators.

How would you stop that?

I gave you two options that would stop that influence: eliminating wealth, or eliminating legislation. I also gave you the all-important third option: something else. A free pass to explain in your own words what you actually meant.

So?

Your response:
Does that mean you want to eliminate all wealth?

Totally unrelated to what I posted

What about it is unrelated?

"We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say..." -> "Does that mean you want to eliminate all wealth?"

"in how legislation is crafted and who it helps." - > "Or do you want to eliminate legislation?"

I addressed two aspects of your complaint and invited you to explain your own resolution if neither of the ones I suggested fit your point of view.

Again, what about that is at all unrelated to what you posted?

What would you do to eliminate the "disproportional say" that the "wealthy class" has in our legislative process?

Eliminating wealth is not what you had in mind. Eliminating the legislative process is not what you had in mind. Ok. What did you have in mind?
"We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say..." -> "Does that mean you want to eliminate all wealth?"

Your turn

How does advocating the wealthy have less political clout result in elimination of all wealth?

You did not say that you wanted to lessen their political clout. You said that they have too much political clout. Yes, that could be seen as implying that you want to lessen their political clout, but does not at all address how you would like to see that done. Since wealth contributes to their clout, eliminating that wealth would be a method for reducing their clout. Again, if you have some other method in mind for reducing their clout, you have been repeatedly invited to state it.

Will you?
I would start with campaign contributions. End them
Go with taxpayer funded campaigns. Everyone receives the same amount
This relieves elected politicians from the pressures of coming up with the money to fund their next election

And puts the pressure (and added expense) on - drum roll, please - the gov't!
 
It has historically been the states that violate the rights of minorities. It has been the states that have historically been neglectful of their responsibilities towards its citizens.

It has been the states who historically have been the most corrupted by powerful interests that would turn a state into a semi-private fiefdom

You meant the Southern States that was controlled by Democrats.

You can believe that drivel or actually read up on history books.
I would suggest the latter.
Yes, the Southern States that were controlled by White Christian Conservative Democrats

Same old dirty tricks, they changed their names to liberal not their tricks.
The 19th century, Southern Democrats comprised whites in the South who believed in Jacksonian democracy. In the 1850s they held that slavery was a good thing and promoted its expansion into the West.

After Reconstruction ended in the late 1870s they controlled all the Southern states and disenfranchised the blacks (who were Republicans). The "Solid South" gave nearly all its electoral votes to Democrats in presidential elections. Republicans seldom were elected to office outside some mountain districts


The Negroes were Republicans in name only. They couldn't vote -- remember? :laugh2:

Your history link is so terrible it is humiliating to respond.

for one thing: "the elderly, and disabled." thing? FDR and Social Security. Whom did it cover?

Quotes by Madison and Franklin taken out of context. geeze.


Talk about not knowing history?
African Americans could vote 1865.

The first one to be elected was Edward Brooke in 1966.


The 15th amendment to the US Constitution was ratified in 1870 and gave former male slaves the legal right to vote. However, many southern states added requirements such as literacy tests and poll taxes that were designed to keep blacks from voting. In 1957, Congress passed a Civil Rights Act that made it difficult to deny voting rights based on race.
African Americans were granted the right to vote in the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Taken out of Context?
The quote from Ben Franklin comes from his writtings where he is is talking about - On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, 1766

You say, poor labourers cannot afford to buy bread at a high price, unless they had higher wages. Possibly. But how shall we Farmers be able to afford our labourers higher wages, if you will not allow us to get, when we might have it, a higher price for our corn?
By all I can learn, we should at least have had a guinea a quarter more if the exportation had been allowed. And this money England would have got from foreigners.
But, it seems, we Farmers must take so much less, that the poor may have it so much cheaper.
This operates then as a tax for the maintenance of the poor. A very good thing, you will say. But I ask, Why a partial tax? Why laid on us Farmers only? If it be a good thing, pray, Messrs. the Public, take your share of it, by indemnifying us a little out of your public treasury. In doing a good thing there is both honour and pleasure; you are welcome to your part of both.
For my own part, I am not so well satisfied of the goodness of this thing. I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
the above posts makes so a joke out of any response


geeze
 
It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives have twisted "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" into a JFK condemnation of social programs

JFK was making a plea for public service in advance of his Peace Corps initiative. JFK fought hard for social programs that became LBJs war on poverty

JFK also believed in trickled down economics. He felt if the filthy government taxed the people less everybody would be better off. Libtards nowadays hate the idea of less taxes and putting more money into the hands of the people that earned it.

Kennedy was on his way in Dallas to give a speech about further reducing taxes in the US when he was assassinated, by the way. That is ironic. An avowed Marxist whacked a President that wanted to reduce taxes in America.

Another rightwing myth

During WWII we raised income taxes on the rich to 90% at the highest level. 15 years after the war, JFK advocated lowering the upper tax rate from 90% down to 70%.
The current upper tax rate is 39%

Rightwing claims that JFK was a supply side economist are ridiculous. Are you willing to return to the 70% tax rate that JFK wanted?

How on Earth can you justify taking 90% or even 70% of someone's property? Seriously...

Easy, how can you want to raise the income tax on those who have very little.
 
liberals and conservatives come out of the very same tradition of seeking out liberal democracy, just as Democrats and Republicans came out of the same Democratic-Republican party.
 
cut taxes and expand public works spending? :lol: :laugh2: :rofl:

Even when "local and voluntary" responsibilities cannot meet the demand? How cold and dehumanizing.

Poor Hoover, misunderstood. Boo hoo hoo

He was a good man. He entered politics. Stop whining for him

Whining?
Well that's proof that you don't read American History. :lmao:

Rakove: Original Meanings -- try it. also Madison's Writings/Letters

please stop posting as if you know history from other than Readers Digest and Glenn Beck

I have read Madison's writings and letters, plus Washington's, Adams and Jefferson's, also the Federalist papers.
Rakove - well that explains a lot.
For some reason I suspect your truthfulness here

I am not a liar.
I don't care what you believe because you are the one always believing the lefties lies and thinks it's the truth Dante.
You would not know the truth even it bit you on the nose.
untruthfulness does not include only lies
 
It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives have twisted "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" into a JFK condemnation of social programs

JFK was making a plea for public service in advance of his Peace Corps initiative. JFK fought hard for social programs that became LBJs war on poverty

JFK also believed in trickled down economics. He felt if the filthy government taxed the people less everybody would be better off. Libtards nowadays hate the idea of less taxes and putting more money into the hands of the people that earned it.

Kennedy was on his way in Dallas to give a speech about further reducing taxes in the US when he was assassinated, by the way. That is ironic. An avowed Marxist whacked a President that wanted to reduce taxes in America.

Another rightwing myth

During WWII we raised income taxes on the rich to 90% at the highest level. 15 years after the war, JFK advocated lowering the upper tax rate from 90% down to 70%.
The current upper tax rate is 39%

Rightwing claims that JFK was a supply side economist are ridiculous. Are you willing to return to the 70% tax rate that JFK wanted?

How on Earth can you justify taking 90% or even 70% of someone's property? Seriously...

Easy, how can you want to raise the income tax on those who have very little.

Because they use government services too.

That is always your blather.
 
60 pages and the posts all start to look like the same 100 posts that have been put up before. In 100 threads before.

Sorry.....but here are the facts.

In 2008, the GOP was a mess. That was, in large part, due to GWB and his stupid wars. Many conservatives didn't like going to war and we certainly didn't like the democratic like spending he was doing. He lost the house and senate in 2006.

In 2008, thank to GWB, Pelosi and Reid, we hit a wall and things tanked.

In 2008, running in the spirit of Hope and Change, BHO was elected POTUS of the United States.

The country was in a recession (not ascribing blame....simply stating)

In 2010, the unthinkable occured. The GOP (slated for obsolesence) took back the house. The GOP also gained six or seven seats in the senate.

In 2012, BHO was re-elected. The democrats actually gained two seats in the senate.

In 2014, the GOP took the senate (including "safe" seats in places like CO) and strengthened it's hold on the house.

All along the GOP has been steadily taking up state houses and governorships.

In all this, you see the federal government doing not much of anything.

While states like Wisconsin, under the leadership of Scott Walker are making strides (but by their own admission have much more to do).

I really don't give a rats ass who wins in 2016. Give back the senate or not, the GOP will hold the house stongly (and maybe will even win more) and the federal government, by the GOG will continue to do nothing.

If Obamacare continues on it's present course, it will be a side show in the years to come.

All of this looks pretty good to those of us who don't want a strong central government.

This country is so screwed that it can't be fixed just by kicking out the Democrats and replacing them with Republicans because at the end of the day there isn't much difference. They are both parties of big government. We saw that the other day with that horrendous budget appropriation passed by the Republican controlled House and the Democrat controlled Senate that gave Obama most of what he wanted.

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

Reagan raised the debt 2 trillion in eight years and provided Clinton with a good economy to further reduce it.

I wished that Reagan had gotten more tight fisted near the end.

Obama will have raised it 10 trillion by the time he is done.
 
Yes, comrade, and if someone doens't buy a house or food or a car or a TV government should give them that. We are the richest country in the world.

Libertarian was doing pretty well until the parasites populated to the point that you took over. That's why mob rule voting at the Federal level is so important to you.

More insight into the Libertarian paradise of kaz

He will refuse a million dollar transplant for his next door neighbor but has no problem spending a million dollars on a cruise missile

Where did he say that?
Post 649

Liar, that didn't say I'm OK with spending the million on a cruise missile.
Now it is getting interesting

So Libertarians are now advocating we zero out our defense budget in addition to letting your neighbor die from lack of a heart

What else do we have to look forward to in your Libertarian utopia?

Strawman
 
60 pages and the posts all start to look like the same 100 posts that have been put up before. In 100 threads before.

Sorry.....but here are the facts.

In 2008, the GOP was a mess. That was, in large part, due to GWB and his stupid wars. Many conservatives didn't like going to war and we certainly didn't like the democratic like spending he was doing. He lost the house and senate in 2006.

In 2008, thank to GWB, Pelosi and Reid, we hit a wall and things tanked.

In 2008, running in the spirit of Hope and Change, BHO was elected POTUS of the United States.

The country was in a recession (not ascribing blame....simply stating)

In 2010, the unthinkable occured. The GOP (slated for obsolesence) took back the house. The GOP also gained six or seven seats in the senate.

In 2012, BHO was re-elected. The democrats actually gained two seats in the senate.

In 2014, the GOP took the senate (including "safe" seats in places like CO) and strengthened it's hold on the house.

All along the GOP has been steadily taking up state houses and governorships.

In all this, you see the federal government doing not much of anything.

While states like Wisconsin, under the leadership of Scott Walker are making strides (but by their own admission have much more to do).

I really don't give a rats ass who wins in 2016. Give back the senate or not, the GOP will hold the house stongly (and maybe will even win more) and the federal government, by the GOG will continue to do nothing.

If Obamacare continues on it's present course, it will be a side show in the years to come.

All of this looks pretty good to those of us who don't want a strong central government.

This country is so screwed that it can't be fixed just by kicking out the Democrats and replacing them with Republicans because at the end of the day there isn't much difference. They are both parties of big government. We saw that the other day with that horrendous budget appropriation passed by the Republican controlled House and the Democrat controlled Senate that gave Obama most of what he wanted.

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

Reagan raised the debt 2 trillion in eight years and provided Clinton with a good economy to further reduce it.

I wished that Reagan had gotten more tight fisted near the end.

Obama will have raised it 10 trillion by the time he is done.
Reagan tripled the debt and crippled future president with his tax rates

He handed off to Bush not Clinton
 
More insight into the Libertarian paradise of kaz

He will refuse a million dollar transplant for his next door neighbor but has no problem spending a million dollars on a cruise missile

Where did he say that?
Post 649

Liar, that didn't say I'm OK with spending the million on a cruise missile.
Now it is getting interesting

So Libertarians are now advocating we zero out our defense budget in addition to letting your neighbor die from lack of a heart

What else do we have to look forward to in your Libertarian utopia?

Strawman
Tell us more about your Libertarian utopia
 

Liar, that didn't say I'm OK with spending the million on a cruise missile.
Now it is getting interesting

So Libertarians are now advocating we zero out our defense budget in addition to letting your neighbor die from lack of a heart

What else do we have to look forward to in your Libertarian utopia?

Strawman
Tell us more about your Libertarian utopia

I don't cater to dicks, sorry.

I know all about your liberal delusion. You never shut up about it.
 
60 pages and the posts all start to look like the same 100 posts that have been put up before. In 100 threads before.

Sorry.....but here are the facts.

In 2008, the GOP was a mess. That was, in large part, due to GWB and his stupid wars. Many conservatives didn't like going to war and we certainly didn't like the democratic like spending he was doing. He lost the house and senate in 2006.

In 2008, thank to GWB, Pelosi and Reid, we hit a wall and things tanked.

In 2008, running in the spirit of Hope and Change, BHO was elected POTUS of the United States.

The country was in a recession (not ascribing blame....simply stating)

In 2010, the unthinkable occured. The GOP (slated for obsolesence) took back the house. The GOP also gained six or seven seats in the senate.

In 2012, BHO was re-elected. The democrats actually gained two seats in the senate.

In 2014, the GOP took the senate (including "safe" seats in places like CO) and strengthened it's hold on the house.

All along the GOP has been steadily taking up state houses and governorships.

In all this, you see the federal government doing not much of anything.

While states like Wisconsin, under the leadership of Scott Walker are making strides (but by their own admission have much more to do).

I really don't give a rats ass who wins in 2016. Give back the senate or not, the GOP will hold the house stongly (and maybe will even win more) and the federal government, by the GOG will continue to do nothing.

If Obamacare continues on it's present course, it will be a side show in the years to come.

All of this looks pretty good to those of us who don't want a strong central government.

This country is so screwed that it can't be fixed just by kicking out the Democrats and replacing them with Republicans because at the end of the day there isn't much difference. They are both parties of big government. We saw that the other day with that horrendous budget appropriation passed by the Republican controlled House and the Democrat controlled Senate that gave Obama most of what he wanted.

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

Reagan raised the debt 2 trillion in eight years and provided Clinton with a good economy to further reduce it.

I wished that Reagan had gotten more tight fisted near the end.

Obama will have raised it 10 trillion by the time he is done.
Reagan tripled the debt and crippled future president with his tax rates

He handed off to Bush not Clinton

Yeah, and Obama only doubled his.

You libs are way to funny.

Yes, he handed off to Bush....but the momentum of the economy worked for Billy Boy....who did a good job with it.
 
60 pages and the posts all start to look like the same 100 posts that have been put up before. In 100 threads before.

Sorry.....but here are the facts.

In 2008, the GOP was a mess. That was, in large part, due to GWB and his stupid wars. Many conservatives didn't like going to war and we certainly didn't like the democratic like spending he was doing. He lost the house and senate in 2006.

In 2008, thank to GWB, Pelosi and Reid, we hit a wall and things tanked.

In 2008, running in the spirit of Hope and Change, BHO was elected POTUS of the United States.

The country was in a recession (not ascribing blame....simply stating)

In 2010, the unthinkable occured. The GOP (slated for obsolesence) took back the house. The GOP also gained six or seven seats in the senate.

In 2012, BHO was re-elected. The democrats actually gained two seats in the senate.

In 2014, the GOP took the senate (including "safe" seats in places like CO) and strengthened it's hold on the house.

All along the GOP has been steadily taking up state houses and governorships.

In all this, you see the federal government doing not much of anything.

While states like Wisconsin, under the leadership of Scott Walker are making strides (but by their own admission have much more to do).

I really don't give a rats ass who wins in 2016. Give back the senate or not, the GOP will hold the house stongly (and maybe will even win more) and the federal government, by the GOG will continue to do nothing.

If Obamacare continues on it's present course, it will be a side show in the years to come.

All of this looks pretty good to those of us who don't want a strong central government.

This country is so screwed that it can't be fixed just by kicking out the Democrats and replacing them with Republicans because at the end of the day there isn't much difference. They are both parties of big government. We saw that the other day with that horrendous budget appropriation passed by the Republican controlled House and the Democrat controlled Senate that gave Obama most of what he wanted.

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

Reagan raised the debt 2 trillion in eight years and provided Clinton with a good economy to further reduce it.

I wished that Reagan had gotten more tight fisted near the end.

Obama will have raised it 10 trillion by the time he is done.
Reagan tripled the debt and crippled future president with his tax rates

He handed off to Bush not Clinton

How was Clinton crippled...or even Bushy II for that matter.

Whey didn't Bill raise them. Why hasn't BHO raised them further ?
 
What about the rich who vote Democrat? Stupid? According to you it is against their own interest to do so, which would make them stupid right?

Nobody ever said the limousine Liberal crowd were very smart. Of course we have found out recently that some of them who give a lot to the Democrat Party also make racist jokes about Obama behind his back.
 
To clarify, liberals are materialist in that they advance the agenda of transnational capital(the economic "elite"). They are nihilistic in regards to their promotion of moral and cultural relativism under their banner of promoting "equality".

The GOP are more or less big business liberals. They have no moral principles and are not patriotic in any sense, but are more blatant in their support of our current kleptocracy.


Your confusing liberal with Democratic party!
No I am not.

Liberalism is a destructive utopian ideology that fails to recognize the social aspect of mankind, reducing man to a purely material being(economics uber alles) and supporting a blind drive towards "liberty" and "equality" regardless of the consequences.
Oh snap, more right wing bullshit (SNIP)
LOL riiiight the liberal jobs killing regulations are not pushing jobs off-shore. I suppose even those Democrats in congress who are fighting these regulations because its costing their districts jobs are in on your big conspiracy? :laugh:

8 years of Dubya/GOP 'job creator' policies and they lot 1+ million jobs inn 8 years (NOT including the 4+ million lost in 2009)



Obama has NET 7+ million PRIVATE sector jobs since 2009

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data



Good snip, ONCE AGAIN:



Misrepresentations, Regulations and Jobs

No hard evidence is offered for this claim; it is simply asserted as self-evident and repeated endlessly throughout the conservative echo chamber.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/regulation-and-unemployment/

Posting a blogger's thoughts in large font does not add any cred to them. Bartlett is a disgruntled Repub who just this October tried to make the case that Obama is a Republican. Yeah ... OK.
To clarify, liberals are materialist in that they advance the agenda of transnational capital(the economic "elite"). They are nihilistic in regards to their promotion of moral and cultural relativism under their banner of promoting "equality".

The GOP are more or less big business liberals. They have no moral principles and are not patriotic in any sense, but are more blatant in their support of our current kleptocracy.


Your confusing liberal with Democratic party!
No I am not.

Liberalism is a destructive utopian ideology that fails to recognize the social aspect of mankind, reducing man to a purely material being(economics uber alles) and supporting a blind drive towards "liberty" and "equality" regardless of the consequences.

It also has an arrogance associated with it that assumes the elite know what's best for everyone. Like all 310,000,000 people in the U.S. are cut from the same cloth.

LOL! But that's just the same old crap the Left has been pushing since the heady days of the overt Progressive Eugenicists.

The Left is a lie... from soup to Liberals. There's not an iota of truth represented in so much as a single facet of Left-think.


Stop projecting

ANY policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US? LOL
 
15th post
If I 'make' a million dollars, I accumulated money from other people. I'm not actually producing cash, I'm acquiring theirs. Therefore, others have collectively lost a million dollars of purchasing power to me.

ROFLMNAO!

They haven't lost anything... they exchanged a million dollars for the million dollars worth of service or products. Therefore both parties have profited.

We call this capitalism... OKA: Freely exchanging goods and services to the mutual profit of all parties.

A principle which has never once failed since the first sub-human exchanged a stick he broke which made a particularly good spear or lever for something he wanted, like a female or a thatch of wheat... .

Warren Buffet said it perfectly when he said "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."

And when he said "there’s been class warfare going on for the last 20 years, and my class has won."

And when he said "if this is a war – I wouldn’t call it a war, I’d call it a struggle – but, if this is a war, my side has had the nuclear bomb. We’ve got K-Street, we’ve got lobbyists, we’ve got money on our side".

Warren Buffet is very smart and observant.

And thanks to the freedoms and opportunities provided by America's capitalist system, very rich. Your jealousy is palpable. If all this freedom upsets you also are free to move to a country where it doesn't exist.


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.
In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.
Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data Tax Foundation

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

The point remains untouched ... the bottom 50% of earners pay no federal income tax and therefore get a free ride. If the freedoms and opportunities offered by our capitalist system upset you, take advantage of the freedom to move to a country where you'll be less miserable. There are millions worldwide who would gladly take your place here (and be less miserable).

A favorite talking point used by conservatives to justify giving more tax breaks to the wealthy is that 50% of Americans pay no taxes.

The truth is that 86% of Americans pay taxes. In one recession strapped year (2009), less than half of single filer taxpayers paid federal income taxes.


The 47% statistic is not all Americans pay no taxes, but single filers who will pay no federal income taxes. According to the Center On Budget and Policy Priorities the real reason why 47%-51% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009 is,

The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired.

The combination of the recession and the Obama stimulus cut taxes to low and middle income Americans led to fewer Americans owing federal income tax in 2009.


It 8217 s A Myth That 47 Of Americans Pay No Taxes In Truth 86 Pay Taxes PoliticusUSA s Archives

Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year. In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items.


  • Most of the people who pay neither federal income tax nor payroll taxes are low-income people who are elderly, unable to work due to a serious disability, or students, most of whom subsequently become taxpayers. (In years like the last few, this group also includes a significant number of people who have been unemployed the entire year and cannot find work.)

  • Moreover, low-income households as a group do, in fact, pay federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data show that the poorest fifth of households paid an average of 4.0 percent of their incomes in federal taxes in 2007, the latest year for which these data are available — not an insignificant amount given how modest these households’ incomes are; the poorest fifth of households had average income of $18,400 in 2007

Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes mdash Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Top 1% of US 1,365,857 (1.3+ MILLION FAMILIES) made $1,555,701 (1.5+ TRILLION) THAT'S OVER $1.1 MILLION PER FAMILY


BOTTOM 50% OF US- 68,292,856 (68+ MILLION FAMILIES) made 960,561 (960 BILLION) Less than $15,000 PER FAMILY

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data Tax Foundation
 
If you ever drove on an Interstate, you've benefited from tax monies that were collected by the government for the common good. Even if the common good includes those with no common sense.

That argument is obvious yet the bottom 50% of America's earners don't pay any federal income tax, meaning they get a free ride on that interstate. The question is: what gov't provided "common good" do we want and who is to pay for it?

Bottom 50% who made 12% of ALL US income? lol


Poor Americans Pay Double The State, Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent


Overall, the poorest 20 percent of households paid an average 10.9 percent of their incomes in state and local taxes in 2007, while the top 1 percent on average paid just 5.2 percent of their incomes in state and local taxes, according to the study.


Poor Americans Pay Double The State Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent

The less wealthy have access to the same local and state facilities and services as the rich (and make use of them far more often). Thanks to our progressive tax system, they pay far less for them than do the rich.



80% of the population owns 5% of the wealth.

Who Rules America Wealth Income and Power

The middle class has been eviscerated


Total U.S. taxes are barely progressive, as shown in this table and chart from Citizens for Tax Justice. The bottom 99 percent pays a 27.5 percent total tax rate on average, while the top 1 percent pays an average 29 percent tax rate, according to 2011 data from Citizens for Tax Justice.

Poor Americans Pay Double The State Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent

I know the pain intimately ... my real estate holdings (I'm a developer) took a hit in 2006/2007 (about $2mil) from which I will never recover. Nevertheless I am not willing to kill the goose which laid the golden egg - something you seem eager to do - just to assuage my pain.

KILL THE GOOSE? Oh you mean the Banksters who hosed US via the GOP in 1920's, 1980's (Ronnie ignored regulator warnings just like Dubya) and 2008?


FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You should get better material, or perhaps grow a brain?
 
I used to be a liberal once, it used to mean freedom within reason. Now, Liberalism means chaos, banishing responsibility, rights to anything that can buy beg or reason period. Gays, illegals, UFO/Big foot believers, anything goes with liberals NOW.
 
To clarify, liberals are materialist in that they advance the agenda of transnational capital(the economic "elite"). They are nihilistic in regards to their promotion of moral and cultural relativism under their banner of promoting "equality".

The GOP are more or less big business liberals. They have no moral principles and are not patriotic in any sense, but are more blatant in their support of our current kleptocracy.


Your confusing liberal with Democratic party!
No I am not.

Liberalism is a destructive utopian ideology that fails to recognize the social aspect of mankind, reducing man to a purely material being(economics uber alles) and supporting a blind drive towards "liberty" and "equality" regardless of the consequences.
LOL riiiight the liberal jobs killing regulations are not pushing jobs off-shore. I suppose even those Democrats in congress who are fighting these regulations because its costing their districts jobs are in on your big conspiracy? :laugh:

8 years of Dubya/GOP 'job creator' policies and they lot 1+ million jobs inn 8 years (NOT including the 4+ million lost in 2009)



Obama has NET 7+ million PRIVATE sector jobs since 2009

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data



Good snip, ONCE AGAIN:



Misrepresentations, Regulations and Jobs

No hard evidence is offered for this claim; it is simply asserted as self-evident and repeated endlessly throughout the conservative echo chamber.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/regulation-and-unemployment/

Posting a blogger's thoughts in large font does not add any cred to them. Bartlett is a disgruntled Repub who just this October tried to make the case that Obama is a Republican. Yeah ... OK.
To clarify, liberals are materialist in that they advance the agenda of transnational capital(the economic "elite"). They are nihilistic in regards to their promotion of moral and cultural relativism under their banner of promoting "equality".

The GOP are more or less big business liberals. They have no moral principles and are not patriotic in any sense, but are more blatant in their support of our current kleptocracy.


Your confusing liberal with Democratic party!
No I am not.

Liberalism is a destructive utopian ideology that fails to recognize the social aspect of mankind, reducing man to a purely material being(economics uber alles) and supporting a blind drive towards "liberty" and "equality" regardless of the consequences.

It also has an arrogance associated with it that assumes the elite know what's best for everyone. Like all 310,000,000 people in the U.S. are cut from the same cloth.

LOL! But that's just the same old crap the Left has been pushing since the heady days of the overt Progressive Eugenicists.

The Left is a lie... from soup to Liberals. There's not an iota of truth represented in so much as a single facet of Left-think.


Stop projecting

ANY policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on in the US? LOL
Can you clarify your question?
 
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