What do liberals want the US to be?

[sealybobo]

Let em die

A true Libertarian

Government is the only solution, a true authoritarian leftist.

So lets pay a visit to Libertarian America

Your next door neighbor works hard and supports a wife and two kids. However, he has a heart condition which prevents him from getting health insurance. His heart has deteriorated to the point where he now needs a heart transplant. A donor has been identified and a heart is available that will save his life. However, a heart transplant will cost $1 million.

Libertarian kaz says.......Let him die

Authoritarian leftist RW says it's not my money, spend it. Any politician who approves a $1M taxpayer funded medical procedure should be strung up.

You prefer that the richest country in the world let their citizens die because they don't have insurance?

No wonder nobody in the world embraces libertarianism

Yes, comrade, and if someone doens't buy a house or food or a car or a TV government should give them that. We are the richest country in the world.

Libertarian was doing pretty well until the parasites populated to the point that you took over. That's why mob rule voting at the Federal level is so important to you.

More people voting on the state level is important to us too. Less people voting seems to be important to you.

 

[Mathbud1]

It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives have twisted "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" into a JFK condemnation of social programs

JFK was making a plea for public service in advance of his Peace Corps initiative. JFK fought hard for social programs that became LBJs war on poverty

JFK also believed in trickled down economics. He felt if the filthy government taxed the people less everybody would be better off. Libtards nowadays hate the idea of less taxes and putting more money into the hands of the people that earned it.

Kennedy was on his way in Dallas to give a speech about further reducing taxes in the US when he was assassinated, by the way. That is ironic. An avowed Marxist whacked a President that wanted to reduce taxes in America.

Another rightwing myth

During WWII we raised income taxes on the rich to 90% at the highest level. 15 years after the war, JFK advocated lowering the upper tax rate from 90% down to 70%.
The current upper tax rate is 39%

Rightwing claims that JFK was a supply side economist are ridiculous. Are you willing to return to the 70% tax rate that JFK wanted?

How on Earth can you justify taking 90% or even 70% of someone's property? Seriously...

If the bankers purposely fucked us and today they are richer than ever, it is very easy. You have the government that supposedly represents you go after that money just like they would any other criminal organization.

Or you just change the tax structure back to what it was pre GW

Did they break laws? If so, they should be fined accordingly. If they worked within the law, and just used immoral practices to take the money, that is much more difficult.

Just remember that there are people - working class, middle income - people who work for all of these companies. If you revenge-tax them into oblivion, how many working class people will you be putting out of a job?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I'm not the one advocating a return to the tax structure of JFK. It is conservatives holding him up as one of their own

JFK was a Libturd shitass in many ways and a terrible President but he got one thing right. He understood that the economy does better when the people get to keep more of the money they make rather than giving it to the corrupt and incompetent government.

Do you want me to repost his quote to the American people on that?

Is that the post where he defends that a 70% tax rate on the rich is good for America?

By all means post it

It's a tax on greed. Any money you make over $10 million you pay 70%. Boo ******* hoo. Don't want to pay it? MOve to Brazil or somewhere else but we warn you they'll have universal healthcare wherever you go.

Yeah, but why? You never answer that question.... can you? Or are you just a hyperemotional and envious ninny?

Because it works. Because it is the same tax scheme that we had in place before when they were trying to climb the ladder of success. What the rich since 2000 have done is change/rig the game in their favor. In essence they climbed the ladder then pulled it up on the rest of us after they made it to the top.

I can explain why but can you get it? Do you understand? If Bush's tax breaks didn't work for example, why continue them? Do you even remember when you first argued for them you said they would be temporary? So you please explain why ending them was unfair in your opinion.

You're not explaining anything.. you're making emotional appeals based on what you feel. You tell me the justification for taking nearly ALL of someone's property. Because it works? What kind of bullshit answer is that?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Government is the only solution, a true authoritarian leftist.

So lets pay a visit to Libertarian America

Your next door neighbor works hard and supports a wife and two kids. However, he has a heart condition which prevents him from getting health insurance. His heart has deteriorated to the point where he now needs a heart transplant. A donor has been identified and a heart is available that will save his life. However, a heart transplant will cost $1 million.

Libertarian kaz says.......Let him die

Authoritarian leftist RW says it's not my money, spend it. Any politician who approves a $1M taxpayer funded medical procedure should be strung up.

You prefer that the richest country in the world let their citizens die because they don't have insurance?

No wonder nobody in the world embraces libertarianism

Yes, comrade, and if someone doens't buy a house or food or a car or a TV government should give them that. We are the richest country in the world.

Libertarian was doing pretty well until the parasites populated to the point that you took over. That's why mob rule voting at the Federal level is so important to you.

More insight into the Libertarian paradise of kaz

He will refuse a million dollar transplant for his next door neighbor but has no problem spending a million dollars on a cruise missile

Where did he say that?

 

[kaz]

Government is the only solution, a true authoritarian leftist.

So lets pay a visit to Libertarian America

Your next door neighbor works hard and supports a wife and two kids. However, he has a heart condition which prevents him from getting health insurance. His heart has deteriorated to the point where he now needs a heart transplant. A donor has been identified and a heart is available that will save his life. However, a heart transplant will cost $1 million.

Libertarian kaz says.......Let him die

Authoritarian leftist RW says it's not my money, spend it. Any politician who approves a $1M taxpayer funded medical procedure should be strung up.

You prefer that the richest country in the world let their citizens die because they don't have insurance?

No wonder nobody in the world embraces libertarianism

Yes, comrade, and if someone doens't buy a house or food or a car or a TV government should give them that. We are the richest country in the world.

Libertarian was doing pretty well until the parasites populated to the point that you took over. That's why mob rule voting at the Federal level is so important to you.

More insight into the Libertarian paradise of kaz

He will refuse a million dollar transplant for his next door neighbor but has no problem spending a million dollars on a cruise missile

I'm for cutting military too, moron. If we cut all this, the additional economic growth and wealth generated will provide far more help to Americans in need than your current system which kills growth, wastes money and provides most of the benefit to politicians and bureaucrats.

 

[rightwinger]

So lets pay a visit to Libertarian America

Your next door neighbor works hard and supports a wife and two kids. However, he has a heart condition which prevents him from getting health insurance. His heart has deteriorated to the point where he now needs a heart transplant. A donor has been identified and a heart is available that will save his life. However, a heart transplant will cost $1 million.

Libertarian kaz says.......Let him die

Authoritarian leftist RW says it's not my money, spend it. Any politician who approves a $1M taxpayer funded medical procedure should be strung up.

You prefer that the richest country in the world let their citizens die because they don't have insurance?

No wonder nobody in the world embraces libertarianism

Yes, comrade, and if someone doens't buy a house or food or a car or a TV government should give them that. We are the richest country in the world.

Libertarian was doing pretty well until the parasites populated to the point that you took over. That's why mob rule voting at the Federal level is so important to you.

More insight into the Libertarian paradise of kaz

He will refuse a million dollar transplant for his next door neighbor but has no problem spending a million dollars on a cruise missile

Where did he say that?

Post 649

 

[Mathbud1]

And so did Bush. So did Clinton.

And yes he did leave him a projected surplus. If spending remained and if taxes coming in remained the same, Bush would have a surplus. But NOTHING stayed the same. Bush gave the rich tax breaks. Strike 1. Lied us into 2 wars. Strike 2. Let illegals flood in to compete with American workers for "jobs Americans won't do". Strike 3. Sent all the good paying union manufacturing jobs overseas. Strike 4. Deregulated the banks and mortgage companies who would no doubt use those deregulations to fuckin ruin the economy.

And it was all by design. The rich got everything they wanted. Its called Disaster Capitalism. Cause a crisis so we have to implement your policies you say will fix the crisis and when they don't work blame it on the other side.

Wow, that Bush, he sure did single-handedly do a lot of things. I guess the rest of us were asleep or something. Nobody thought to oppose him at all.....

 

[kaz]

Government is the only solution, a true authoritarian leftist.

So lets pay a visit to Libertarian America

Your next door neighbor works hard and supports a wife and two kids. However, he has a heart condition which prevents him from getting health insurance. His heart has deteriorated to the point where he now needs a heart transplant. A donor has been identified and a heart is available that will save his life. However, a heart transplant will cost $1 million.

Libertarian kaz says.......Let him die

Authoritarian leftist RW says it's not my money, spend it. Any politician who approves a $1M taxpayer funded medical procedure should be strung up.

You prefer that the richest country in the world let their citizens die because they don't have insurance?

No wonder nobody in the world embraces libertarianism

Yes, comrade, and if someone doens't buy a house or food or a car or a TV government should give them that. We are the richest country in the world.

Libertarian was doing pretty well until the parasites populated to the point that you took over. That's why mob rule voting at the Federal level is so important to you.

More people voting on the state level is important to us too. Less people voting seems to be important to you.

Strawman

 

[sealybobo]

Let em die

A true Libertarian

Government is the only solution, a true authoritarian leftist.

So lets pay a visit to Libertarian America

Your next door neighbor works hard and supports a wife and two kids. However, he has a heart condition which prevents him from getting health insurance. His heart has deteriorated to the point where he now needs a heart transplant. A donor has been identified and a heart is available that will save his life. However, a heart transplant will cost $1 million.

Libertarian kaz says.......Let him die

Authoritarian leftist RW says it's not my money, spend it. Any politician who approves a $1M taxpayer funded medical procedure should be strung up.

You prefer that the richest country in the world let their citizens die because they don't have insurance?

No wonder nobody in the world embraces libertarianism

No one was dying... another LW myth.

I've heard all these arguments/lies from the right in 2009. Piss off stupid.

I would give the tax breaks to the middle class and poor. Remember Bush wanted to not be in an official recession so he sent everyone $300? Why didn't he just give his rich friends the money? Because he knew they wouldn't go SPEND IT like the middle class and poor will. And this way even benefits the rich because if the poor and middle class are spending, the rich are making more money.

Our way works, your way does not. Sorry.

Stop crying about what's fair. Ask yourself what works.

Yeah, what you guys are doing is working wonders... worst economy in thirty years, record unemployed, lowest workforce participation since Jimmy Carter...

Seriously how old are you? 15? You sound very immature and frankly, irrational. Do you smoke a lot of weed?

What do you mean? The economy is booming! Record profits. Forbes Magazine Obama best economic president of modern times
The only ones left behind are labor. What do the GOP plan on doing to raise workers wages? Not a god damn thing. And that is the only problem with our economy.

I think we should raise the minimum wage to $80/hr.. that'll fix everything. Micky D workers can then afford Jags.

lol

Seems to me the Big 3 did just fine in 1999. They had record profits and all those high paid union workers were here in America. These Big 3 jobs created the middle class. Other companies were created because of all that money all those workers had in their pockets. THe GOP sent those jobs overseas and today all we have is McD jobs.

Oh, and back in the 90's I remember Taco Bell and McD's even paid $10 hr because jobs were plentiful. Not just jobs but GOOD PAYING jobs. Not today. Today even college grads aren't doing as well as those Big 3 Union workers did in the 90's. Insurance costs more, they don't make as much and they have no job security plus they graduate with huge debt. The American people are stupid!

No, just some of the American people are stupid. If you are graduating with huge debt, then you screwed up.[/QUOTE

Nothing wrong with a government that provides services to the people for the taxes it takes in. It isn't greedy to want something from your government. That's the rich brainwashing you. Meanwhile, they want everything and you go along.

Yes, voting is the solution. We can only take back the country by voting or revolution. What is your solution? You want to revolt before even trying the vote?

Yes it does matter if 70% of the people vote instead of 39%. If you say it doesn't either you are a fool or liar.

It certainly is greed when you vote for shitheads that uses the force of government to steal money from other people to benefit you. That is the definition of greed. Tony Soprano would be proud of that scam.

If 70% of the people elect the same kind of people that get elected now and the country continues to have enormous debt, high taxation, limited economic growth, a welfare state, a lost of freedom, interventionism and corrupt government then they haven't accomplished any more that 39% that votes right now.

The American people are not smart enough or moral enough to have a working Republic.

When the citizen asked Ben Franklin "What kind of government have you given us?" and his reply was "A Republic if you can keep it" then he was commenting about the American people may not being smart or moral enough to have good government. He was right to have that concern as we are seeing now.

That's what governments do idiot! Social engineering. Do you think the American Middle class is because of unregulated free market capitalism? If you do you are wrong. It is because of a government that worked for We The People.

You are clearly brainwashed when you use words like steal from you. If the government taxes you, it is not theft. Oh, and the entire 8 years when Bush and the GOP were talking about lower taxes they weren't talking about for broke asses like you and me. They were talking about for their rich friends. In fact we see the GOP way is to shift more of the tax burden onto you. In other words the GOP are actually for raising your taxes to lower their rich friends taxes.

Liberals a long time ago set up a progressive tax scheme and the rich have been chipping away at it ever since. This is a fact. In fact, Bush's policies STOLE our 401K money and gave it to the rich. His wars were a gift to the defense contractors. He doubled the debt by giving his rich friends tax breaks while starting two wars and borrowing from China to pay for them. Chaney/Rumsfeld said Iraq oil would pay for the war. They lied. More than once. And here you remain brainwashed and stupid. OMG.

2 more things. 1. Only the rich voting GOP and middle class voting Democrat are smart. All the poor and middle class voting GOP are stupid and all the people not voting at all are stupid. But I'm ok with the stupid people voting GOP. As long as they vote.

So don't worry about them not being smart enough to vote. That doesn't stop you does it? And when they start voting, it changes EVERYTHING. Then both the Democrats and Republicans start caring what we think/say/vote. Right now they don't give a **** because they know you are stupid enough to not vote. They have won. Until you vote, they win.

What about the rich who vote Democrat? Stupid? According to you it is against their own interest to do so, which would make them stupid right?

They are not greedy. They understand the value of having low poverty and higher wages. The Koch brothers /YOU/Romney think the rest of us are greedy/jealous/takers

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Authoritarian leftist RW says it's not my money, spend it. Any politician who approves a $1M taxpayer funded medical procedure should be strung up.

You prefer that the richest country in the world let their citizens die because they don't have insurance?

No wonder nobody in the world embraces libertarianism

Yes, comrade, and if someone doens't buy a house or food or a car or a TV government should give them that. We are the richest country in the world.

Libertarian was doing pretty well until the parasites populated to the point that you took over. That's why mob rule voting at the Federal level is so important to you.

More insight into the Libertarian paradise of kaz

He will refuse a million dollar transplant for his next door neighbor but has no problem spending a million dollars on a cruise missile

Where did he say that?

Post 649

Where does he mention cruise missiles?

 

[kaz]

Authoritarian leftist RW says it's not my money, spend it. Any politician who approves a $1M taxpayer funded medical procedure should be strung up.

You prefer that the richest country in the world let their citizens die because they don't have insurance?

No wonder nobody in the world embraces libertarianism

Yes, comrade, and if someone doens't buy a house or food or a car or a TV government should give them that. We are the richest country in the world.

Libertarian was doing pretty well until the parasites populated to the point that you took over. That's why mob rule voting at the Federal level is so important to you.

More insight into the Libertarian paradise of kaz

He will refuse a million dollar transplant for his next door neighbor but has no problem spending a million dollars on a cruise missile

Where did he say that?

Post 649

Liar, that didn't say I'm OK with spending the million on a cruise missile.

 

[sealybobo]

And so did Bush. So did Clinton.

And yes he did leave him a projected surplus. If spending remained and if taxes coming in remained the same, Bush would have a surplus. But NOTHING stayed the same. Bush gave the rich tax breaks. Strike 1. Lied us into 2 wars. Strike 2. Let illegals flood in to compete with American workers for "jobs Americans won't do". Strike 3. Sent all the good paying union manufacturing jobs overseas. Strike 4. Deregulated the banks and mortgage companies who would no doubt use those deregulations to fuckin ruin the economy.

And it was all by design. The rich got everything they wanted. Its called Disaster Capitalism. Cause a crisis so we have to implement your policies you say will fix the crisis and when they don't work blame it on the other side.

Wow, that Bush, he sure did single-handedly do a lot of things. I guess the rest of us were asleep or something. Nobody thought to oppose him at all.....

Bush and the GOP run by Tom Delay fucked us hard from 2000-2006 and yes you were all being brainwashed after 9-11. Remember you defended EVERYTHING even torture?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And so did Bush. So did Clinton.

And yes he did leave him a projected surplus. If spending remained and if taxes coming in remained the same, Bush would have a surplus. But NOTHING stayed the same. Bush gave the rich tax breaks. Strike 1. Lied us into 2 wars. Strike 2. Let illegals flood in to compete with American workers for "jobs Americans won't do". Strike 3. Sent all the good paying union manufacturing jobs overseas. Strike 4. Deregulated the banks and mortgage companies who would no doubt use those deregulations to fuckin ruin the economy.

And it was all by design. The rich got everything they wanted. Its called Disaster Capitalism. Cause a crisis so we have to implement your policies you say will fix the crisis and when they don't work blame it on the other side.

Wow, that Bush, he sure did single-handedly do a lot of things. I guess the rest of us were asleep or something. Nobody thought to oppose him at all.....

Bush and the GOP run by Tom Delay fucked us hard from 2000-2006 and yes you were all being brainwashed after 9-11. Remember you defended EVERYTHING even torture?

What on Earth are you talking about?

 

[M14 Shooter]

North Korea, minus the creature comforts.

 

[Dante]

They forget it was the GOP's great depression that was a reason the US started most of the safety net programs!

It was not the GOP who caused that market crash.
It was the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank (progressives) who gave out credit so people could invest in the stock market.

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

In 1931 repercussions from Europe deepened the crisis, even though the President presented to Congress a program asking for creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to aid business, additional help for farmers facing mortgage foreclosures, banking reform, a loan to states for feeding the unemployed, expansion of public works, and drastic governmental economy.

At the same time he reiterated his view that while people must not suffer from hunger and cold, caring for them must be primarily a local and voluntary responsibility.

His opponents in Congress, who he felt were sabotaging his program for their own political gain, unfairly painted him as a callous and cruel President. Hoover became the scapegoat for the Depression and was badly defeated in 1932.

cut taxes and expand public works spending?

Even when "local and voluntary" responsibilities cannot meet the demand? How cold and dehumanizing.

Poor Hoover, misunderstood. Boo hoo hoo

He was a good man. He entered politics. Stop whining for him

Whining?
Well that's proof that you don't read American History.

Rakove: Original Meanings -- try it. also Madison's Writings/Letters

please stop posting as if you know history from other than Readers Digest and Glenn Beck

I have read Madison's writings and letters, plus Washington's, Adams and Jefferson's, also the Federalist papers.
Rakove - well that explains a lot.

For some reason I suspect your truthfulness here

 

[Dante]

It was not the GOP who caused that market crash.
It was the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank (progressives) who gave out credit so people could invest in the stock market.

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

In 1931 repercussions from Europe deepened the crisis, even though the President presented to Congress a program asking for creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to aid business, additional help for farmers facing mortgage foreclosures, banking reform, a loan to states for feeding the unemployed, expansion of public works, and drastic governmental economy.

At the same time he reiterated his view that while people must not suffer from hunger and cold, caring for them must be primarily a local and voluntary responsibility.

His opponents in Congress, who he felt were sabotaging his program for their own political gain, unfairly painted him as a callous and cruel President. Hoover became the scapegoat for the Depression and was badly defeated in 1932.

cut taxes and expand public works spending?

Even when "local and voluntary" responsibilities cannot meet the demand? How cold and dehumanizing.

Poor Hoover, misunderstood. Boo hoo hoo

He was a good man. He entered politics. Stop whining for him

Whining?
Well that's proof that you don't read American History.

Rakove: Original Meanings -- try it. also Madison's Writings/Letters

please stop posting as if you know history from other than Readers Digest and Glenn Beck

I have read Madison's writings and letters, plus Washington's, Adams and Jefferson's, also the Federalist papers.
Rakove - well that explains a lot.

And you are still woefully uniformed? Shocking

egg-zacktly!

 

[Mathbud1]

They are not greedy. They understand the value of having low poverty and higher wages. The Koch brothers /YOU/Romney think the rest of us are greedy/jealous/takers

So rich Democrats are selfless heroes for, in your eyes, voting against their own best interest, but middle class Republicans are fools for, in your eyes, voting against their own best interest.

OK.

If on the other hand, you actually think that Democratic policies are best for everyone in the long run, then rich Republicans are fools too. Yet you just got done praising their evil greedy intelligence. So which is it, are they fools, or are they greedy masterminds?

 

[SAYIT]

The biggest mistake you can make is thinking that it was some how for "your team".

Hey, I just said it wasn't for the Repubs but rather against Obama, the Dems and their policies. Given the denial and arrogance of peeps like you we are likely to see a repeat of 2014 in 2016.

 

[rightwinger]

You prefer that the richest country in the world let their citizens die because they don't have insurance?

No wonder nobody in the world embraces libertarianism

Yes, comrade, and if someone doens't buy a house or food or a car or a TV government should give them that. We are the richest country in the world.

Libertarian was doing pretty well until the parasites populated to the point that you took over. That's why mob rule voting at the Federal level is so important to you.

More insight into the Libertarian paradise of kaz

He will refuse a million dollar transplant for his next door neighbor but has no problem spending a million dollars on a cruise missile

Where did he say that?

Post 649

Liar, that didn't say I'm OK with spending the million on a cruise missile.

Now it is getting interesting

So Libertarians are now advocating we zero out our defense budget in addition to letting your neighbor die from lack of a heart

What else do we have to look forward to in your Libertarian utopia?

 

[Mathbud1]

And so did Bush. So did Clinton.

And yes he did leave him a projected surplus. If spending remained and if taxes coming in remained the same, Bush would have a surplus. But NOTHING stayed the same. Bush gave the rich tax breaks. Strike 1. Lied us into 2 wars. Strike 2. Let illegals flood in to compete with American workers for "jobs Americans won't do". Strike 3. Sent all the good paying union manufacturing jobs overseas. Strike 4. Deregulated the banks and mortgage companies who would no doubt use those deregulations to fuckin ruin the economy.

And it was all by design. The rich got everything they wanted. Its called Disaster Capitalism. Cause a crisis so we have to implement your policies you say will fix the crisis and when they don't work blame it on the other side.

Wow, that Bush, he sure did single-handedly do a lot of things. I guess the rest of us were asleep or something. Nobody thought to oppose him at all.....

Bush and the GOP run by Tom Delay fucked us hard from 2000-2006 and yes you were all being brainwashed after 9-11. Remember you defended EVERYTHING even torture?

I did? Have you been stalking me? You know what I supported then or even what I support now?

Where were the Democrats during this hard *******? Where were you?