What do liberals want the US to be?

[Dad2three]

OK, now you need to define "social justice". Who decides what is "socially just" ?

I would suggest you read some John Rawls on the subject.

I suggest reading John Hawkins :

20 Examples of What Liberalism REALLY Is - John Hawkins - Page full

Read the first 2 and almost puked. i guess to be a right winger, you don't need a brain

 

[Dad2three]

I suggest reading John Hawkins :

20 Examples of What Liberalism REALLY Is - John Hawkins - Page full

Why would I want to read the mindless polemics of a man who is quite clearly an idiot?

Because you might possibly learn something in the process.

We should never think ourselves to be too intelligent to hear opposing viewpoints.

He a ghost writer for Failin Palin? Seems real close to her lack of critical thinking/bumper sticker mentality!

 

[Dad2three]

We are parasites, not wanting government money. LOL. you are a tool.

Yeah, I just love that "logic." Of course, it's just another example of the liberal propaganda technique where they accuse their critics of everything they are guilty of.

Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.



They unwittingly use the protections, benefits and accomplishments government has to offer to create their fortunes, while pompously declaring they did it all on their own.

Clueless igets, everyone.

LOL, the idea of government not taking care of you is just pure terror, isn't it?

I should be able to take care of myself, but if god forbid, something were to happen to me I like the idea that the government is there to take care of me

Your family should take care of you, not the rest of us. If you have no family then look to a church or other charity. The government is not your caretaker.

Conservatives dream for AmeriKa is to be a third world nation, again!

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah, I just love that "logic." Of course, it's just another example of the liberal propaganda technique where they accuse their critics of everything they are guilty of.

Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.



They unwittingly use the protections, benefits and accomplishments government has to offer to create their fortunes, while pompously declaring they did it all on their own.

Clueless igets, everyone.

LOL, the idea of government not taking care of you is just pure terror, isn't it?

I should be able to take care of myself, but if god forbid, something were to happen to me I like the idea that the government is there to take care of me

Your family should take care of you, not the rest of us. If you have no family then look to a church or other charity. The government is not your caretaker.

Conservatives dream for AmeriKa is to be a third world nation, again!

Liberals don't dream it. Everything they do is a step towards that fate.

 

[Steinlight]

Yeah, I just love that "logic." Of course, it's just another example of the liberal propaganda technique where they accuse their critics of everything they are guilty of.

Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.



They unwittingly use the protections, benefits and accomplishments government has to offer to create their fortunes, while pompously declaring they did it all on their own.

Clueless igets, everyone.

LOL, the idea of government not taking care of you is just pure terror, isn't it?

I should be able to take care of myself, but if god forbid, something were to happen to me I like the idea that the government is there to take care of me

Your family should take care of you, not the rest of us. If you have no family then look to a church or other charity. The government is not your caretaker.

Conservatives dream for AmeriKa is to be a third world nation, again!

We are definitely declining into a Third World Nation, because the GOP and Democrat Leadership are bought off by corporate donors who want to flood us with immigration from the Third World. The Democrats want more immigrants for votes and because they believe in "diversity and multiculturalism", the GOP Leadership wants cheap labor for their Chamber of Commerce buddies.

 

[Dad2three]

Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.



They unwittingly use the protections, benefits and accomplishments government has to offer to create their fortunes, while pompously declaring they did it all on their own.

Clueless igets, everyone.

LOL, the idea of government not taking care of you is just pure terror, isn't it?

I should be able to take care of myself, but if god forbid, something were to happen to me I like the idea that the government is there to take care of me

Your family should take care of you, not the rest of us. If you have no family then look to a church or other charity. The government is not your caretaker.

That would be nice

Churches and charities have proven themselves incapable of taking care of people in serious situations. They do what they can but quickly find themselves overwhelmed

I have known people who did quite well taking care of themselves until some catastrophy hits them. I have a neighbor who owned a small roofing company and was doing quite well until he fell off a roof and received a severe head injury. He was incapacitated and no longer able to work. His wife had to cut back on working to take care of him. With significant medical bills and no income having a "nanny government" to step in sure helps

I have no issue for welfare for people like your roofer friend. None at all. The problem is that we are giving welfare and food stamps, and Secion 8 housing to able bodied people who could be working and supporting themselves. We have a system of generational welfare and it is responsible for the problems like Ferguson where young minority men have no jobs and no incentive to do anything but run the streets and sell drugs.

Thats the real issue that no one is willing to address. Because they are all scared of being called racist if they tell the truth.

Don't know they changed welfare under Clinton huh? Read a history book about it! FIVE YEAR LIFETIME LIMIT


Contrary to "Entitlement Society" Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households


Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

Contrary to Entitlement Society Rhetoric Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly Disabled or Working Households mdash Center on Budget and Policy Priorities


Minority men? Oh right the war on drugs and defunding programs that help them has NOTHING to do with it right?


Conservatives who are against welfare because it "creates dependence on the Government" SHOULD be in favor of an increased minimum wage. Increasing the minimum wage to the point that full-time employees do not NEED government assistance would result in a MASSIVE reduction of the people on Gov't aide

Currently, the government effectively subsidizes employers who pay low wages.

 

[Listening]

This country is so screwed that it can't be fixed just by kicking out the Democrats and replacing them with Republicans because at the end of the day there isn't much difference. They are both parties of big government. We saw that the other day with that horrendous budget appropriation passed by the Republican controlled House and the Democrat controlled Senate that gave Obama most of what he wanted.

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

Reagan raised the debt 2 trillion in eight years and provided Clinton with a good economy to further reduce it.

I wished that Reagan had gotten more tight fisted near the end.

Obama will have raised it 10 trillion by the time he is done.

Reagan tripled the debt and crippled future president with his tax rates

He handed off to Bush not Clinton

Yeah, and Obama only doubled his.

You libs are way to funny.

Yes, he handed off to Bush....but the momentum of the economy worked for Billy Boy....who did a good job with it.

So the economy kinda skipped Bush then.......you guys can be so creative

Blather away......

Obama will double the debt before he leaves. 10 Trillion.

 

[Flash]

You hit ALL the right wing talking points. Good job. Now go read a history book and grow a brain, get off hate talk radio or right wing news and you might learn REAL FACTS...

Good response. Blame disagreement with your stupid Left Wing garbage on Russ Limbaugh. That is as convoluted as blaming Obama's corruption and incompetence on Bush. You must be listening to MSNBC too much.

Shitheads in this country uses the government to steal on their behalf. It is big business. Welfare, subsidies, entitlements and bailouts. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that simple fact. Only a Libtard doesn't see what is wrong with that. But of course Libtards like you voted for Obama so that pretty well proves you are a dumbass, doesn't it? You were dumb enough to think he was going to do a good job. That pretty well blows your credibility on anything, doesn't it?

 

[Dad2three]

Libertarians are frauds and parasites but unfortunately have been successful in hiding their dangerous disease under war hating, and freedom loving. Sadly their freedom isn't freedom, it is chaos and opens the door to a real loss of democracy.



They unwittingly use the protections, benefits and accomplishments government has to offer to create their fortunes, while pompously declaring they did it all on their own.

Clueless igets, everyone.

LOL, the idea of government not taking care of you is just pure terror, isn't it?

I should be able to take care of myself, but if god forbid, something were to happen to me I like the idea that the government is there to take care of me

Your family should take care of you, not the rest of us. If you have no family then look to a church or other charity. The government is not your caretaker.

Conservatives dream for AmeriKa is to be a third world nation, again!

We are definitely declining into a Third World Nation, because the GOP and Democrat Leadership are bought off by corporate donors who want to flood us with immigration from the Third World. The Democrats want more immigrants for votes and because they believe in "diversity and multiculturalism", the GOP Leadership wants cheap labor for their Chamber of Commerce buddies.

MORE false premises, distortions and lies from the new right winger. I'm shocked


Yeah, Dems want more "diversity and multiculturalism", *shaking head*


lol, Tooo funny Bubba. Not like if we stopped immigration that's not happening anyways or the FACT that you can't stop drugs and phones getting into US prisons, but you expect to keep out 100% of the 'illegals' who we've decimated their nations with policies like the war on drugs, NAFTA and the Monroe doctrine? lol

 

[Listening]

It also has an arrogance associated with it that assumes the elite know what's best for everyone. Like all 310,000,000 people in the U.S. are cut from the same cloth.

LOL! But that's just the same old crap the Left has been pushing from the Progressive days of the Eugenicists.

The Left is a lie... from soup to Liberals. There's not an iota of truth represented in so much as a single facet of Left-think.

To be fair, the right has it's fair share of disingenuous losers who hide behind ideology to achieve their goals.

I believe in the fundamentals of conservatism as I define it (not the morons like dudpeepee or rightwanker).

Within the scope of limited government is the human experience. When people are doing what they "should" as dictated by their conciences.....things go pretty well.

Not just a limited central government, but a decentralized government. There needs to be a devolution of powers to avoid the increasing political, economic and social costs of an artificially large state(see economies of scale, the same principle applies with governments). Simply put, America has far too many people to effectively and properly govern through a growing Federal Government. As our population grows, we will have to decentralize power from the federal bureaucracy to avoid the problems that the USSR faced and the EU is currently facing.

MORE right wing nonsense. Shocking. We tried that with the Articles of Confederation remember?

YOU WANT TO COMPARE THE US, A NATION, TO MANY NATIONS OF THE EU? Or USSR (Failed system, that became Gangster Russia)? lol

I thought you might be serious, just another right wing Klown

Tried what? The Articles of Confederation effectively had no central governing body at all, and no one is advocating this. The Constitution most certainly calls for a Federal Government, but limited to strict and defined powers(See article I, II, and III of the Constitution), and the 10th Amendment explicitly reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the Federal Government. You need to read up on the concepts of Separation of Powers and Federalism.

Yes, I do, because the US is not immune to history. Heavily centralized bureaurcracies have failed throughout history and are never sustainable, economically or politically.

Well said.....

 

[Dad2three]

These midterms were losses on historic levels. You can write them off if you like without dealing with that, please do.

These midterms were apathy on historic levels. The lowest voter participation rate since 1942. Winning because no one showed up to vote is not a mandate.

Hey about the same number of people voted in 2006 when you people said it was a referendum on Bush, when you people said the people had given Democrats a mandate. OH SNAP!

Your premise is a HUGE lie. Shocking


Voter turnout in 2014 was the lowest since WWII


2014- 36.4 percent of the voting-eligible population cast ballots

2006- 40.4 percent

Voter turnout in 2014 was the lowest since WWII - The Washington Post

OH SNAP

 

[Dad2three]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

We pretty much have this... what you guys want though, is equality if outcome; which of course will never happen.

Again you rant about the "equality of outcome" conservative myth

You have yet to provide a single source where anyone is requesting equality of outcome

the minimum wage argument is a prime example.

Seattle venture capitalist Nick Hanauer

Hanauer said he doesn't consider himself a "job creator." If no one can afford to buy what he's selling, the jobs his companies create will evaporate, he reasons. In his view, what the nation needs is more money in the hands of regular consumers.

"A higher minimum wage is a very simple and elegant solution to the death spiral of falling demand that is the signature feature of our economy,"



"The thing that's really shocking is that the Republican response to the problem is to call for increased welfare spending. From a free-market perspective, businesses should compete without subsidies," Unz said. "If they can't compete, then maybe they should go out of business." (ON INCREASING MIN WAGE) Ron Unz, a Silicon Valley millionaire and registered Republican who once ran for California governor

 

[rightwinger]

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

Reagan raised the debt 2 trillion in eight years and provided Clinton with a good economy to further reduce it.

I wished that Reagan had gotten more tight fisted near the end.

Obama will have raised it 10 trillion by the time he is done.

Reagan tripled the debt and crippled future president with his tax rates

He handed off to Bush not Clinton

Yeah, and Obama only doubled his.

You libs are way to funny.

Yes, he handed off to Bush....but the momentum of the economy worked for Billy Boy....who did a good job with it.

So the economy kinda skipped Bush then.......you guys can be so creative

Blather away......

Obama will double the debt before he leaves. 10 Trillion.

Unlikely given the current deficits

 

[bripat9643]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

We pretty much have this... what you guys want though, is equality if outcome; which of course will never happen.

Again you rant about the "equality of outcome" conservative myth

You have yet to provide a single source where anyone is requesting equality of outcome

the minimum wage argument is a prime example.

Seattle venture capitalist Nick Hanauer

Hanauer said he doesn't consider himself a "job creator." If no one can afford to buy what he's selling, the jobs his companies create will evaporate, he reasons. In his view, what the nation needs is more money in the hands of regular consumers.

"A higher minimum wage is a very simple and elegant solution to the death spiral of falling demand that is the signature feature of our economy,"

How does the minimum wage create more money?

 

[LeftofLeft]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Fundamentally Transformed. Evidently, some Liberals have never been proud of America.

 

[Dad2three]

It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives have twisted "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" into a JFK condemnation of social programs

JFK was making a plea for public service in advance of his Peace Corps initiative. JFK fought hard for social programs that became LBJs war on poverty

JFK also believed in trickled down economics. He felt if the filthy government taxed the people less everybody would be better off. Libtards nowadays hate the idea of less taxes and putting more money into the hands of the people that earned it.

Kennedy was on his way in Dallas to give a speech about further reducing taxes in the US when he was assassinated, by the way. That is ironic. An avowed Marxist whacked a President that wanted to reduce taxes in America.

MORE R/W CRAP


JFK lowered taxes, but supply-siders wrongly claim he's their patron saint.

Kennedy did push tax cuts, and his plan, which passed in February 1964, three months after his death, did help spur economic growth. But they're wrong to see the tax reduction as a supply-side cut, like Reagan's and Bush's; it was a demand-side cut. "The Revenue Act of 1964 was aimed at the demand, rather than the supply, side of the economy," said Arthur Okun, one of Kennedy's economic advisers.
This distinction, taught in Economics 101, seldom makes it into the Washington sound-bite wars. A demand-side cut rests on the Keynesian theory that public consumption spurs economic activity. Government puts money in people's hands, as a temporary measure, so that they'll spend it. A supply-side cut sees business investment as the key to growth. Government gives money to businesses and wealthy individuals to invest, ultimately benefiting all Americans. Back in the early 1960s, tax cutting was as contentious as it is today, but it was liberal demand-siders who were calling for the cuts and generating the controversy.


JFK the demand-side tax cutter.

 

[Care4all]

Iraq Resolution

United States House of Representatives

82 (39.2%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.

• 126 (~60.3%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted against the resolution.

The only Independent Representative voted against the resolution: Rep. Sanders (I-VT)

United States Senate

58% of Democratic senators (29 of 50) voted for the resolution.
42% of Democratic senators (21 of 50) voted against the resolution.


AGAIN, 60% OF DEMS IN CONGRESS VOTED AGAINST DUBYA'S WARE OF CHOICE. You said Dems, not leadership

Clinton was one of them that did vote to fund the Iraq War and if she is the Democrat nominee I suspect Libtards like you would run to vote for her just as fast as your little cub feet would carry you.

None in Congress voted for the Iraq War, they voted to give up their CONSTITUTIONAL Duty to vote yea or nay on War, with yea needing to be 2/3rds of the vote in both houses of Congress, and gave up their Constitutional Requirement, by handing it over to President Bush as being the sole person to make this decision on War....

True Story!

 

[Dad2three]

It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives have twisted "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" into a JFK condemnation of social programs

JFK was making a plea for public service in advance of his Peace Corps initiative. JFK fought hard for social programs that became LBJs war on poverty

JFK also believed in trickled down economics. He felt if the filthy government taxed the people less everybody would be better off. Libtards nowadays hate the idea of less taxes and putting more money into the hands of the people that earned it.

Kennedy was on his way in Dallas to give a speech about further reducing taxes in the US when he was assassinated, by the way. That is ironic. An avowed Marxist whacked a President that wanted to reduce taxes in America.

Another rightwing myth

During WWII we raised income taxes on the rich to 90% at the highest level. 15 years after the war, JFK advocated lowering the upper tax rate from 90% down to 70%.
The current upper tax rate is 39%

Rightwing claims that JFK was a supply side economist are ridiculous. Are you willing to return to the 70% tax rate that JFK wanted?

Bullshit. during those times the tax code was full of loopholes, deductions, and exemptions, no one paid 90% of his income to the govt. Most of those tax dodges have been eliminated now, so the actual amounts paid are very nearly the same.

LIE. Shocking

AS THE TOP 1% HAS TAKEN 275%+ MORE OF THE PIE

1945-1980 THE TOP 1% HAD 6%-9% OF ALL US INCOME. 23% IN 2007. ABOUT 20% TODAY

EFFECTIVE RATES WAY DOWN AND INCOMES WAY UP

The Republican sham of lower taxes and less regulation doesn't help anyone but the richest Americans and Big Business and kill jobs and opportunity for almost everyone, especially in the middle class and poor.

 

[Steinlight]

LOL, the idea of government not taking care of you is just pure terror, isn't it?

I should be able to take care of myself, but if god forbid, something were to happen to me I like the idea that the government is there to take care of me

Your family should take care of you, not the rest of us. If you have no family then look to a church or other charity. The government is not your caretaker.

Conservatives dream for AmeriKa is to be a third world nation, again!

We are definitely declining into a Third World Nation, because the GOP and Democrat Leadership are bought off by corporate donors who want to flood us with immigration from the Third World. The Democrats want more immigrants for votes and because they believe in "diversity and multiculturalism", the GOP Leadership wants cheap labor for their Chamber of Commerce buddies.

MORE false premises, distortions and lies from the new right winger. I'm shocked


Yeah, Dems want more "diversity and multiculturalism", *shaking head*


lol, Tooo funny Bubba. Not like if we stopped immigration that's not happening anyways or the FACT that you can't stop drugs and phones getting into US prisons, but you expect to keep out 100% of the 'illegals' who we've decimated their nations with policies like the war on drugs, NAFTA and the Monroe doctrine? lol

Are you denying that liberals "celebrate" diversity and brag about as the more "diverse" it becomes through immigration the easier they will win elections? You need to get with the program. Harry Reid called the Democrats the "party of diversity". I don't know how many times I have heard the leftist media disparagingly call the GOP the "party of white people" and how the GOP will lose once Whites become a minority in our country. Why do we need mass immigration? Why do we need "more diversity"?

Just because you can't stop 100% of illegal immigration, doesn't mean you shouldn't enforce laws. By that logic, we shouldn't enforce murder laws, rape laws, or drug laws, since we can't prevent 100% of them. Talk about a destructive and nihilistic attitude. This is the essence of leftism.

In reality, your pro-illegal immigrant policy enables the big GOP donors you claim the hate by driving down wages and allowing them to hire cheap foreign labor over Americans.

As far as NAFTA, conservatives like Pat Buchanan have consistently opposed Free Trade and the displacement of American workers. NAFTA was another disastrous Clinton policy passed with the support of neo-conservative republicans, Obama continues these policies. Once again, the leaders of both parties oppose the interests of constituents in favor of their donors.

 

[Dad2three]

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

We pretty much have this... what you guys want though, is equality if outcome; which of course will never happen.

Again you rant about the "equality of outcome" conservative myth

You have yet to provide a single source where anyone is requesting equality of outcome

the minimum wage argument is a prime example.

Seattle venture capitalist Nick Hanauer

Hanauer said he doesn't consider himself a "job creator." If no one can afford to buy what he's selling, the jobs his companies create will evaporate, he reasons. In his view, what the nation needs is more money in the hands of regular consumers.

"A higher minimum wage is a very simple and elegant solution to the death spiral of falling demand that is the signature feature of our economy,"

How does the minimum wage create more money?

Take an economics course Bubba. It's called a multiplier effect! Or we just keep giving it to the top 1/10th of 1% of US who hold it offshore out of circulation?