Zone1 What do Dems mean by their promises of “affordability”?

[TNHarley]

The goal is not to keep people dependent on government handouts, it is to help them get off such programs.

Generational Welfare Statistics | 2026 Verified Gitnux Data

With 52% of welfare recipients being female heads and 37% of White non-Hispanic people showing up in welfare programs, Generational Welfare puts faces to numbers that keep repeating across childhood and adulthood. It also tracks how long benefits last and why exits are so rare, from a TANF...

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Your anti-freedom agenda isnt working.

 

[martybegan]

The goal is not to keep people dependent on government handouts, it is to help them get off such programs.

Nope. The people running them don't seem to think that. These programs always grow they don't shrink.

And they are part of the NGO feeder system that keeps the progressive graft going.

Look at California. more and more money gets thrown at the problem, and the dole numbers keep rising.

If the goal was to get people off the dole, why aren't there metrics and requirements showing that happening?

The only metrics they use is money spent, and much of that is spent on government employee salaries, NGO employee salaries and other overhead.

 

[JoeB131]

That's the added graft and not caring about the people actually paying for all of it.

Different things can happen at the same time, all causing problems for the system as a whole.

Now, hold on, you guys need to get your story straight.

Either poverty relief programs are trapping people in poverty, or they are letting the poor live better than the Middle Class.

I think the real problem here is that young people have no sense of money. I know I didn't when I was a young NCO in the Army, which is why I carried too much credit card debt into Middle Age.

So, yeah, you'll see the occassional person buy Prime Rib with their EBT card because they probably have a side gig of unreported money.

I'm the first one to say, we should be structuing povery relief to lift people out of poverty. In some ways, you are right, it tends to be a trap, if you are making XXX at a menial job, but you get SNAP, Medicaid, and Section 8, but you lose all those things if you try to advance into a middle class lifestyle by taking a promotion or extra hours.

 

[alang1216]

Nope. The people running them don't seem to think that. These programs always grow they don't shrink.

And they are part of the NGO feeder system that keeps the progressive graft going.

Look at California. more and more money gets thrown at the problem, and the dole numbers keep rising.

If the goal was to get people off the dole, why aren't there metrics and requirements showing that happening?

The only metrics they use is money spent, and much of that is spent on government employee salaries, NGO employee salaries and other overhead.

Are we talking about real numbers or are you bent over?

 

[JoeB131]

Umm i dont. And your gaslighting is just that. Gaslighting.
You ignore my point and then make shit up. Another reason why decent people hate democrats.

I didn't ignore anything. I just pointed out the silliness of working class white people being more concerned about the well-being of the rich than the poor (which a lot of you are just one family crisis away from being amongst.)

 

[martybegan]

Now, hold on, you guys need to get your story straight.

Either poverty relief programs are trapping people in poverty, or they are letting the poor live better than the Middle Class.

I think the real problem here is that young people have no sense of money. I know I didn't when I was a young NCO in the Army, which is why I carried too much credit card debt into Middle Age.

So, yeah, you'll see the occassional person buy Prime Rib with their EBT card because they probably have a side gig of unreported money.

I'm the first one to say, we should be structuing povery relief to lift people out of poverty. In some ways, you are right, it tends to be a trap, if you are making XXX at a menial job, but you get SNAP, Medicaid, and Section 8, but you lose all those things if you try to advance into a middle class lifestyle by taking a promotion or extra hours.

They get the occasional nibbles of better things, but they are not raised out of actual poverty. When it comes to the government agencies running these things and the NGO's making bank from it as well, why would people who's jobs depend on poor people being poor try to raise them out of poverty? The problem is we measure things by how much money we spent and not actual results.

 

[Lisa558]

Sorry but I don't see either of those as being true.

Did you read my OP? I outlined how Soanberger is raising expenses on the working class.

And you don’t see how the swarm of semi-literate illegals are harming the working class? They are in the public schools, lowering the caliber of the instruction. There are so many of them cramming into cheap apartments that the cost of rents is going up.* And because the achools are so much worse, the price of modest houses are held down.

*There’s an area about 5 miles from me that is almost 100% illegal. There’s a dumpy apartment house there, and I checked the prices. A 3-bedroom in this dump is going for $4,000. That’s because 3 illegal families cram in, and the apartment that a working class family with 2 kids USED to be able to afford is now out of reach.

 

[martybegan]

Are we talking about real numbers or are you bent over?

Look it up yourself, but I stand by everything I said.

 

[Lisa558]

The goal is not to keep people dependent on government handouts, it is to help them get off such programs.

How are the Dems helping them do that? When the GOP wanted to require welfare recipients without young dependents to get a part-time job, the Dems tried to block it.

They don’t want welfare people to work at all. They want them 100% dependent, and to stay that way.

 

[JoeB131]

They get the occasional nibbles of better things, but they are not raised out of actual poverty. When it comes to the government agencies running these things and the NGO's making bank from it as well, why would people who's jobs depend on poor people being poor try to raise them out of poverty? The problem is we measure things by how much money we spent and not actual results.

Ah, it's all a conspiracy. Right.

Who was it that insisted that government agencies limit how much money a poor family can make before they lose benefits?

This is what this whole argument about ACA extensions was about: that people who were getting ACA were making too much money and still getting a subsidy.

 

[alang1216]

Generational Welfare Statistics | 2026 Verified Gitnux Data

With 52% of welfare recipients being female heads and 37% of White non-Hispanic people showing up in welfare programs, Generational Welfare puts faces to numbers that keep repeating across childhood and adulthood. It also tracks how long benefits last and why exits are so rare, from a TANF...

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Your anti-freedom agenda isnt working.

We need to do better, not just give up.

 

[JoeB131]

How are the Dems helping them do that? When the GOP wanted to require welfare recipients without young dependents to get a part-time job, the Dems tried to block it.

They don’t want welfare people to work at all. They want them 100% dependent, and to stay that way.

40% of people on welfare have jobs, just not jobs that pay well enough. Most of the rest are elderly and disabled.

The problem with these work requirements is that when the job market sucks (usually when Republicans get in) there are no jobs to be had.

It's like the old saying, "you have to have money to make money."

To hold down my current job, I have to have a car to get to it, I have to spend a certain amount on haircuts and dry cleaning to be somewhat presentable in the office. This is why so many people loved working from home after Covid; it made their lives easier. What's the thing big companies are pulling back on now? Work from home.

 

[Lisa558]

We need to do better, not just give up.

Yes, and the GOP has the idea to do that: get welfare people into jobs. The Dems fight it.

 

[cnm]

Lisa lives in mortal fear that poor people might have nice things.

Black poor people.

 

[Lisa558]

Black poor people.

And boom! A leftist drops in and injects race into a thread that has nothing to do with it.

The topic is Soanberger raising taxes and expenses in the working class.

 

[TNHarley]

I didn't ignore anything. I just pointed out the silliness of working class white people being more concerned about the well-being of the rich than the poor (which a lot of you are just one family crisis away from being amongst.)

Thats not my argument. You ignored what my argument actually was.

 

[alang1216]

How are the Dems helping them do that? When the GOP wanted to require welfare recipients without young dependents to get a part-time job, the Dems tried to block it.

They don’t want welfare people to work at all. They want them 100% dependent, and to stay that way.

A simplistic view of a complex issue.

Key Details on the 2023 Debate:

• Republican Proposal: The GOP-led House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023, which aimed to expand work requirements for SNAP and TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families), increasing the age for work requirements from 49 to 55 and limiting states' ability to waive these rules in high-unemployment areas.
• Democratic Opposition: Democrats argued that these requirements were "cruel" and "harmful," claiming they would take away necessary food and health benefits from millions of people, including veterans, the homeless, and older adults, without necessarily increasing employment.

 

[Muhammed]

A good hint might be the actions the new Democrat Governor of VA has made just a few days into her role, following her promises of making things more “affordable” for Virginians.

Among others, she (and the new Democrat legislature, so they’ll go through) are to;

1) Add in a 4.8% tax on investment income

2) Rejoin some green initiative, which will increase electric bills an average of $1100 a year per family

3) Add a tax for deliveries by Amazon, UPS, FedEx, Uber, etc.

4) Reverse Youngkin’s direction for local police to work with ICE, and turn VA into a sanctuary state, thereby placing more of a tax burden of Virginia earner,

So…my sense of what Dems mean by “affordable” is to raise money on the backs of the middle class in order to keep up welfare programs for people who can’t or refuse to support themselves.

Democrats Pounce On Virginia Taxpayers - Americans for Tax Reform

Under unified Democrat control, Virginia is poised to become a tax-hiking outlier in a region full of states that are phasing out their income taxes.

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When the crooked Democrats say they are going to make things more affordable, they mean the same thing they mean when they say anything. This is a stick up! Give me your money!

The Democratic party is a terrorist organization.

 

[TNHarley]

We need to do better, not just give up.

Some people just arent cut out for life. It has always been that way. Always will. Grow up.

 

[Lisa558]

A simplistic view of a complex issue.

Key Details on the 2023 Debate:

• Republican Proposal: The GOP-led House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023, which aimed to expand work requirements for SNAP and TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families), increasing the age for work requirements from 49 to 55 and limiting states' ability to waive these rules in high-unemployment areas.
• Democratic Opposition: Democrats argued that these requirements were "cruel" and "harmful," claiming they would take away necessary food and health benefits from millions of people, including veterans, the homeless, and older adults, without necessarily increasing employment.

Yeah, and what does that prove? That requiring people who are capable of at least a part-time job to get one is “cruel” and “harmful”?

You’re totally illogical. How is arguing that it is “cruel” to require able-bodied adults to get a part-time job? I had to work full-time jobs my entire adulthood in order to support myself. Was that “cruel”?