What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[Mac-7]

Government can give incentives for desirable behavior.
They did it with gas vehicles too

Not so

 

[rightwinger]

Not so

Who provided all the infrastructure for those vehicles to ride on?
Who provided public land for oil pipelines?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Not so

so Way

 

[Mac-7]

Who provided all the infrastructure for those vehicles to ride on?
Who provided public land for oil pipelines?

Government

Roads that everyone can use

Can I use your BYD on my next vacation if its not in the shop?

 

[Mac-7]

so Way

When and where?

How much did each gas car owner get?

 

[rightwinger]

Government

Roads that everyone can use

Can I use your BYD on my next vacation if its not in the shop?

Same economic incentive is available to you.
You just choose not to take it.

 

[rightwinger]

Roads that everyone can use

In the early 1900s, few Americans drove cars.
The government still invested in roads and infrastructure for those cars to use.

 

[Mac-7]

Same economic incentive is available to you.
You just choose not to take it.

Does this mean we cant share your electric car next month since I partially paid for it through my taxes?

 

[rightwinger]

Does this mean we cant share your car next month since I partially paid for it through my taxes?

The same incentive is available to you.
You just choose not to take it

 

[Mac-7]

In the early 1900s, few Americans drove cars.
The government still invested in roads and infrastructure for those cars to use.

The cars (privately bought and paid for) were here long before sleepy government workers thought of building paved roads that everyone could use

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Does this mean we cant share your car next month since I partially paid for it through my taxes?

Of course not, you free loader. Can we use your bathroom since our taxes in the community region state in feds helps you buy it and maintain it and ensure it and repair it?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

In the early 1900s, few Americans drove cars.
The government still invested in roads and infrastructure for those cars to use.

well Ya after all no other vehicle in use at the time needed a road, right? No roads were built until the inventing of gas-powered cars, right?

 

[Mac-7]

Of course not, you free loader. Can we use your bathroom since our taxes in the community region state in feds helps you buy it and maintain it and ensure it and repair it?

You were misinformed

No one in government helped me buy my bathroom

 

[rightwinger]

The cars (privately bought and paid for) were here long before sleepy government workers thought of building paved roads that everyone could use

They were mere toys for the wealthy as there were few roads for them to drive on.

Cars did not become practical until roads and bridges were provided

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

well Ya after all no other vehicle in use at the time needed a road, right? No roads were built until the inventing of gas-powered cars, right?

Try to prove that.

 

[Mac-7]

They were mere toys for the wealthy as there were few roads for them to drive on.

Cars did not become practical until roads and bridges were provided

Not so

The roads were already there though most were unpaved

I have never objected to public roads or bridges

Its the injustice of my tax dollars being wasted for your private transportation

You can split hairs or mince words all you like but most people will agree with me on this

 

[rightwinger]

well Ya after all no other vehicle in use at the time needed a road, right? No roads were built until the inventing of gas-powered cars, right?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

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Ya I mean no wagons carts or other vehicles ever got bogged dowm by muddy roads, right?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Difficulties Without Private Volition "

* Supposing Methods For Establishing Independence Of The Individual *

First, that's Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution.

Second, the first part deals with the common defense. I assume it means just that, giving Congress plenary power to declare war.

Third, the "general welfare" part, I assume, means that it is in charge of passing laws and treaties that provide for the overall "general welfare" of the US. In my opinion, it's straightforward. I would gather that welfare programs fall under that role.

. CDZ - Why Have Socialists Not Privatized The Socialist Ideals ? .

Negative liberties represent protections , independence and individualism .

Positive liberties represent endowments , dependence and collectivism .

A credo for a motto of e pluribus unum expects independence of the individual , with equal protection of negative liberties among individuals .

The term individual is premised to be an individual citizen , or a greater individual by virtue of a collective , such as a corporation , or a state , or a federate , or a civil litigant .

The legitimate state interests , in ensuring individual actions are limited to legitimate aggression through equal protection of negative liberties among individuals , are constrained to safety or security ,

A principle for non violence defines violence as illegitimate aggression , while specifying that self defense against violence is legitimate aggression .

A principle for individualism could define violence as any act of illegitimate aggression which deprives an individual of self ownership or self determination , where self ownership entitles an individual to free roam , to free association and to progeny , and where self determination entitles an individual to private property and to willful intents through contracts , which are made valid through informed consent .

* Abdication Of Role To Authoritarian Bureaucratic Collective Dependence *

Then again, "general welfare" may mean that of the government itself and not of the citizenry, which I think is unlikely.

That could depend on whether government is engaged to implement martial law for state or federate solvency , or whether civil law is not founded on equal protection of negative liberties among individuals , where legitimate state interests are constrained to safety or security .

The sectarian supremacists of fictional ishmaelism are pandering populism for democracy as tyranny by collective majority that is against independence of the individual , which also includes edicts and tenets of creed for implementing illegitimate aggression , such that extensions for citizenship should be rescinded , though travel abroad is allowed .

When phenomenology representations include lofted anuses , head down in prostration towards an engraved amulet of a shiny anus , such an act is clearly seeking to communicate a mind set of being ass holier than thou in blind obedience .

* Idiom Of His Ba *

Enjoining good and forbidding wrong - Wikipedia
This expression is the base of the classical Islamic institution of ḥisba, the individual or collective duty (depending on the Islamic school of law) to intervene and enforce Islamic law. It forms a central part of the Islamic doctrine for Muslims. The injunctions also constitute two of the ten Ancillaries of the Faith of Twelver Shi'ism.[3][4][5][6]

Twelver Shi'ism - Wikipedia​

Twelver Shi'ism (Arabic: اِثْنَا عَشَرِيَّة, romanized: Ithnā ʿAshariyya), also known as Imamism (Arabic: إِمَامِيَّة, romanized: ʿImāmiyya), is the largest branch of Shi'a Islam, comprising about 90% of all Shi'a Muslims. The term Twelver refers to its adherents' belief in twelve divinely ordained leaders, known as the Twelve Imams, and their belief that the last Imam, Imam al-Mahdi, lives in occultation (ghayba) and will reappear as "the awaited Mahdi" (al-Mahdi al-muntazar).

* All Ha Jar Al Ass Wad *

. Black Stone - Wikipedia .
The Black Stone (Arabic: ٱلْحَجَرُ ٱلْأَسْوَد, romanized: al-Ḥajar al-Aswad) is a rock set into the eastern corner of the Kaaba,

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Monk-Eye, you are the only person that gives a shit.