Zone1 What are 'traditional American values'?

[candycorn]

Again, you guys are talking about something that never was. You're led by a 79-year-old boy, who was a rich, spoiled brat in the 1950's given everything he had by his daddy, who is talking about how people should earn their way. Most of the leaders in the Republican party are 1950s children who were outside or in their rooms playing with toys while their parents were applying for the government handouts that were available at that time, and now are telling everybody how government is not the way..

Yeah its pretty ironic the OP worships a man who embodies precisely zero of the traits she thinks they are so important.

 

[Stryder50]

Who balances a check book today? My bank does it or me. I don't even have a checkbook. I haven't written a check in 5 years.

It's a metaphor, figure of speech. While banks do that for you, and on-line, they occassionally make a mistake, but if one doesn't know how to do the math themselves, then they likely won't catch the bank flubbing it.

Along with the cash register needing to tell them how to make change*, there are other applications where mental knowledge of how to do math can come in handy.

* If you pay cash and the tab is $5.37, try giving them the quarter, dime, and two pennies along with a $10, and see the fluster on their faces - until the machine tells them what they have, what to give you back.

 

[Stryder50]

Most 20-year-olds when we were 20 couldn't balance a checkbook.

Most still can't.

 

[Failzero]

G-d Guns & Gold

 

[Darkwind]

You should charge a cover for that sort of comedy.

"Hedonistic needs...." LOL. ..

Go look it up sometime. It's useful to understand what words mean.

 

[candycorn]

90 percent of education is controlled by state and local governments
Fed government has very little involvement

Careful...you are ruining her delusion.

 

[Stryder50]

yea work places want you to loyal but they will dump your ass without a thought....

They should go in debt to keep you on when they don't have the income or savings for doing such ... ???

Rule of sound business and economics;
An employer pays the least they need to based on the cost to them of replacing you.

If you get $6 per hour and someone else will do the same amount and quality of work for $5 per hour, guess what. ???
(Before answering place yourself in the employer's shoes. Will you pay more out of your pocket when you don't have to ?)

 

[Stryder50]

You should charge a cover for that sort of comedy.

"Hedonistic needs...." LOL. ..

"Hedonistic needs...." = the literal interpretation many apply to the "Pursuit of Happiness" listed in the Inalienable Rights.

 

[Foxfyre]

An easy accusation to make if you don't have to produce any evidence to back it up. Got any?

Which government doesn't have viable oversight? Most school funding is local, here in VA very little money comes from the Feds and that is generally used for immigrants, the poor, and the disabled. The school administrators I've talked to here believe the money is being well spent.

I bet the large lion's share of the money is being spent on those administrators which is the case in far too many cases. Of course they believe the money is being well spent.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Seems the more money that is given to the education system, the education administration siphons that off
and very little reaches the the intended school children. That is a group effort from both parties.
You see.....this government does not have a viable oversight system in place.

The LIBs were upset when OMB brought in Elon !

Can you believe it !

 

[Stryder50]

Zone One everybody so keep it civil.

What's wrong with American youth these days? Many believe it is because we have taken basic American values away from them.

Another school shooting, more vandalism/destructiveness, more general lawlessness, more anti-American demonstrations and attacks on Jews, Christians, others who are easy targets.These are young people who hate their skin, want to change the gender they were born, who exalt the worst our society produces and despise those promoting pro-American ideas. Too many have become lawless, violent, destructive, dangerous, murderous.

So what is the solution? Many, myself included, believe it is because American culture and basic American values are being dismantled and there is nothing positive and good to inspire the young, encourage positive, constructive thinking, appreciate the bright future their country offers.

Many of us believe we should return to allowing prayer, or at least a moment of silence, in school, make God welcome again, promote recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance and the singing of the National Anthem and appreciation/love for the flag and the free, noble, great Nation it represents.

Also, what kids need is summed up in this piece I saw at another site--author unknown:

"What are we missing? What do children need?" He went on and on about mental illness, the Juvenile Justice System, gun control, education reform, blah, blah, blah.

Folks, none of that mumbo jumbo makes a lick of sense. Here is what children need:
1. Children need a mother and a father who love each other and work together as a team.
2. Children need a bicycle, neighbors, and cousins.
3. Children need a grandma to bake with and a grandpa to take em fishing.
4. Children need a church, a Sunday School Class, and a truth telling Preacher.
5. Children need a dinner time with home cooked food, prayer, and conversation.
6. Children need Sunday afternoon football and fried chicken.
7. Children need books to read and coloring pages.
8. Children need summers at the beach and bazooka bubble gum.
9. Children need a trip to Arlington and Fourth of July Fireworks.
10. Children need fire pits, smores, ghost stories, the drive in, and real popcorn.
11. Children need discipline from their parents.
12. Children need chores, a job, a way to earn what they want.
13. Children need education that recognizes mama and daddy as the authority, God as the creator, and the Bible as the roadmap.
This is not about some agenda, this is about children. Get back to basics: faith, family, & good ole fashioned fun.

In other words, basic traditional American values.

The above list might be seen more as adages, than values. As pointed out by 1-2 posters here.
The following is my preliminary list of "Values". In slight sequence of priority, perhaps. And open for others I may have overlooked.
Think of "values" as traits for a positive and effective "character" defining one's person.

1) Self-Reliance
2) Honesty
3) Integrity
4) Patience
5) Moderation (Balance)
6) Temperance
7) Courage
8) Morality
9) Curiosity
10) Wisdom
11) Thrift
12) Humility
13) Appreciation
14) Objectivity/Fairness
15) Courtesy
16) Respect
17) Compassion
18) Empathy
19) Loyalty
20) ???

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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Nice imaginative non-response.

 

[Stryder50]

I bet the large lion's share of the money is being spent on those administrators which is the case in far too many cases. Of course they believe the money is being well spent.

Been my observations that about 50+% of Education Costs is for "Administration" while less than 50% goes to teacher salaries/benefits/ student supplies/ and other direct education expenses.

In recent decades the rapid growth of "Education Budgets/Expenses" has been in the Administrative sector over the Application and Actual Education sector.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's a metaphor, figure of speech. While banks do that for you, and on-line, they occassionally make a mistake, but if one doesn't know how to do the math themselves, then they likely won't catch the bank flubbing it.

Along with the cash register needing to tell them how to make change*, there are other applications where mental knowledge of how to do math can come in handy.

* If you pay cash and the tab is $5.37, try giving them the quarter, dime, and two pennies along with a $10, and see the fluster on their faces - until the machine tells them what they have, what to giver you back.

Get a life! I am sure you can yell at someone to get off your lawn!

 

[Foxfyre]

Seems the more money that is given to the education system, the education administration siphons that off
and very little reaches the the intended school children. That is a group effort from both parties.
You see.....this government does not have a viable oversight system in place.

Which is exactly why we need a department of government efficiency DOGE, not with law enforcement powers but that can evaluate whether the people are getting their money's worth out of the money expended and for what the money was advertised as being for. Then armed with that information, it is up to our elected representatives as to whether they continue to fund those expenditures.

 

[Foxfyre]

Been my observations that about 50+% of Education Costs is for "Administration" while less than 50% goes to teacher salaries/benefits/ student supplies/ and other direct education expenses.

In recent decades the rapid growth of "Education Budgets/Expenses" has been in the Administrative sector over the Application and Actual Education sector.

When teachers have to dig into their own pockets for the most basic of school supplies, you know the money is being spent unwisely and/or unethically before it gets to the classroom.

 

[Unkotare]

When teachers have to dig into their own pockets for the most basic of school supplies, you know the money is being spent unwisely and/or unethically before it gets to the classroom.

I have spent at least $300 on classroom supplies this year.

 

[Foxfyre]

The above list might be seen more as adages, than values. As pointed out by 1-2 posters here.
The following is my preliminary list of "Values". In slight sequence of priority, perhaps. And open for others I may have overlooked.
Think of "values" as traits for a positive and effective "character" defining one's person.

1) Self-Reliance
2) Honesty
3) Integrity
4) Patience
5) Moderation (Balance)
6) Temperance
7) Courage
8) Morality
9) Curiosity
10) Wisdom
11) Thrift
12) Humility
13) Appreciation
14) Objectivity/Fairness
15) Courtesy
16) Respect
17) Compassion
18) Empathy
19) Loyalty
20) ???

Character traits, though important in order to have good values, are not necessarily values in my opinion. The importance of God, country, family, morality/decency, transparency, honorable attention to duty and responsibilities, respect for authority, liberty, protection of unalienable and legal rights are all values that make a country great.

 

[Stryder50]

I have spent at least $300 on classroom supplies this year.

That is one of my bitches/rubbed raw points.
With all the "education"="schooling/tuition" teaches need to pay/do to get certified, it is insulting that school district administrations fail to validate their desires/needs for what they want/need supply wise for what are expected to teach their students.

 

[Stryder50]

Character traits, though important in order to have good values, are not necessarily values in my opinion. The importance of God, country, family, morality/decency, transparency, honorable attention to duty and responsibilities, respect for authority, liberty, protection of unalienable and legal rights are all values that make a country great.

There is where we differ, and it could be semantics, if you wish.

I see "values" as something for personal development and growth, eventual worth to self and society.

What you present are more "attributes" on a larger society scale.
What I suggested are "values" on a personal character scale.

IMO - of course.