Zone1 What are 'traditional American values'?

[Foxfyre]

Seems the more money that is given to the education system, the education administration siphons that off
and very little reaches the the intended school children. That is a group effort from both parties.
You see.....this government does not have a viable oversight system in place.

The Constitution gives the federal government no authority of any kind to be involved in the education of the children. One traditional value is that the education of the children is a function of the local community via a coordinated team of locally elected school board of citizens keenly interested in good education, teachers and parents. When we had that, we had the best education system in the world and the best educated citizenry in the world.

The more education has been removed from that traditional concept, the worse it has become.

 

[Foxfyre]

It kind of looks like you’re just describing things you remember from your childhood.

Some of them are weirdly specific and situational.

Not everyone has cousis. Not all kids have living grandparents. Some kids’ parents moved away from extended family for work

Bazooka Joe bubble gum and drive ins are more your generation then theirs

Education focused on the Bible is 100% available to anyone who wants it….. just not as part of tax payer funded public schools

I had a terrible childhood actually. Abusive parent, alcoholic parent, not a great deal to remember fondly about my home life during those years. And we didn't live near any other family so I had no place to really escape all that.

But I had great role models and support system in our church, in the school, in the community. Because of those influences, I was able to put all the negatives behind me even as I came to appreciate what a caring community accomplishes through basic American values as opposed to how far too many children grow up now.

That every child's situation cannot be ideal does not change the premise of the OP at all.

 

[braalian]

I had a terrible childhood actually. Abusive parent, alcoholic parent, not a great deal to remember fondly about my home life during those years. And we didn't live near any other family so I had no place to really escape all that.

But I had great role models and support system in our church, in the school, in the community. Because of those influences, I was able to put all the negatives behind me even as I came to appreciate what a caring community accomplishes through basic American values as opposed to how far too many children grow up now.

That every child's situation cannot be ideal does not change the premise of the OP at all.

Yeah but most of what you listed weren’t really values at all.

Having cousins or grand parents aren’t “values”. Neither is chewing bubble gum or going to a baseball game or a drive-in movie.

It was largely a list of random things you’re either nostalgic for or else wish you had had as a child

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The problem is that the American Dream requires effort.

The youth today want it all handed to them and think that their getting all this stuff is for the benefit of all society.

It is a strange and frightening worldview they promote and believe in.

1. They don't want to work 40 hours a week, because that doesn't give them time to chase their own personal interests.
2. They want a free education so that they can make the maximum $$ right out of college. Not to benefit a company or a nation but to benefit a lifestyle that lets them travel the world and attend to their hedonistic needs.
3. They want to be able to buy a 1 million dollar home right out of college and do NOT want to put in any effort from highschool to adulthood to plan their financial goals. It should just happen for them.

And the biggie.

They want to do what they want to do, and they DO NOT want to have to pay for any of it.

Guess where they learn all of this absolute, childish nonsense?

Their parents did not raise them right.

 

[1srelluc]

Kids are either too regimented or let to run wild. There is little in-between.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a gaggle of kids headed to the river with their fishing poles.

I see little hope for them in a practical sense.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Oh, thanks for the reminder.

The youth today have 20 years of experience in life, cannot balance a checkbook, but are experts in complicated world economics.

Who balances a check book today? My bank does it or me. I don't even have a checkbook. I haven't written a check in 5 years.

 

[rightwinger]

The Constitution gives the federal government no authority of any kind to be involved in the education of the children. One traditional value is that the education of the children is a function of the local community via a coordinated team of locally elected school board of citizens keenly interested in good education, teachers and parents. When we had that, we had the best education system in the world and the best educated citizenry in the world.

The more education has been removed from that traditional concept, the worse it has become.

90 percent of education is controlled by state and local governments
Fed government has very little involvement

 

[shockedcanadian]

I think todays kids have lost the American Dream

Get a College degree, work hard, be a loyal employee, buy a house, raise a family, retire at 65.

College degrees bring massive debt, your job will not pay student debt or allow you to buy a house.
Being a loyal employee will get you fired at the earliest downturn.

It is far, far worse in Canada I assure you. At least Trump is addressing some of the demand by removing illegals who place major pressure on rent and thus home costs.

Canada is so desperate, with 100k homeless in Ontario and a record number of home owners 3 months or more behind in their mortgage that we have to go the prefab route.

I happen to agree with prefab options but this is just one symtom of many that need to be addressed. With America no longer trusting Canada (this has gone on for decades, it started with lumber, dairy and 3rd State exports from China), our economy is going to be hit extremely hard.

 

[Foxfyre]

90 percent of education is controlled by state and local governments
Fed government has very little involvement

Then why all the leftist bruhaha over eliminating the Dept of Education?

 

[rightwinger]

Then why all the leftist bruhaha over eliminating the Dept of Education?

Because they do functions like Pell Grants, aid to low income districts, support to special needs students

Why do you want to kill it?

 

[rightwinger]

Kids are either too regimented or let to run wild. There is little in-between.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a gaggle of kids headed to the river with their fishing poles.

I see little hope for them in a practical sense.

Video games

 

[Foxfyre]

Yeah but most of what you listed weren’t really values at all.

Having cousins or grand parents aren’t “values”. Neither is chewing bubble gum or going to a baseball game or a drive-in movie.

It was largely a list of random things you’re either nostalgic for or else wish you had had as a child

I disagree. Family is an extremely important traditional value as being valuable for the individual growing up.

 

[Foxfyre]

Because they do functions like Pell Grants, aid to low income districts, support to special needs students

Why do you want to kill it?

In other words, federal involvement with education that you denied existed for the most part. You can't have it both ways. And Pell grants haven't been eliminated. And most funding to special needs students is absorbed by layer after layer of bureaucracy. We can do better.

 

[IM2]

I hope you don't die soon. I refuse to believe that America is hopeless. Not yet. If we continue on our current trajectory, we have a fighting chance to restore those American traditional values that made America the greatest nation on Earth. Please stay and fight with us.

Those values never existed. What we need to do is establish American values that reflect the entire American population, not pretend that American values are those that are imposed upon people by the right-wing part of the white race.

 

[IM2]

I disagree. Family is an extremely important traditional value as being valuable for the individual growing up.

The traditional family, as defined by one small portion of the white race, does not represent traditional family values.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The American values mentioned by the OP have never existed.

obviously for poor little you they never existed...

 

[alang1216]

Seems the more money that is given to the education system, the education administration siphons that off
and very little reaches the the intended school children. That is a group effort from both parties.
You see.....this government does not have a viable oversight system in place.

An easy accusation to make if you don't have to produce any evidence to back it up. Got any?

Which government doesn't have viable oversight? Most school funding is local, here in VA very little money comes from the Feds and that is generally used for immigrants, the poor, and the disabled. The school administrators I've talked to here believe the money is being well spent.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I think todays kids have lost the American Dream

Get a College degree, work hard, be a loyal employee, buy a house, raise a family, retire at 65.

College degrees bring massive debt, your job will not pay student debt or allow you to buy a house.
Being a loyal employee will get you fired at the earliest downturn.

yea work places want you to loyal but they will dump your ass without a thought....

 

[IM2]

But promoting the concepts in the OP could turn that around don't you think? If we give anti-Americanism the bully pulpit and all the microphones, the young never know anything different from a 'woke' agenda. I'm saying we should be fighting to return to what is good, honest, profitable, edifying for the young and everybody.

Anti-Americanism? What's that? We should be fighting to establish what is good, honest, profitable, edifying for the young and everybody in this country for the first time. Not returning to some bullshit people like you imagine that was actually miserable for everyone but rich white males.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

obviously for poor little you they never existed...

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I got my share.


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