What are libertarians?

[kaz]

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Gotcha, if I want roads, then you can take my money and spend it for yourself, I'm just selfish. LOL, you're a tool.

Actually, yes. That is the way it works

And that is why a libertarian society is an anarchist society

No matter how it works, I want money I earned, you want money you did not earn. You are the selfish one. Voting doesn't change that. Sorry, Big Guy.

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

Like it or not, you belong to a society. As a member of a society, you get a say in how that society is run. Some of the things decided by that society you will agree with. others you will not

Libertarians believe that society does not apply to them

Even if that's true, your voting for government to plunder other people's money and give it to you is selfish.

 

[Disir]

What you said.

I do know. I also know that it's quite a farce as you try to pretend that you are a representation of all Libertarians.

Please comment those of you who consider yourself small government libertarian on what you agree and disagree on.

I'm guessing you still don't get it, do you wench?

I get it just fine. You wanted to create a thread all about you. So, you have. Just like your last one.

Generally agree on beliefs and those damn details. I understand perfectly, twit.

LOL, you said I speak for all libertarians, I showed you what I actually said and you claim you get it? Obviously not, dumb bimbo. I hope you're hot, you're not making a living except on your back.

You arrogant ignorant douche bag. The only thing I'm seeing is you spin shit.

You started with the lie I am speaking for all small government libertarians. When I showed you that was factually wrong, not just unsupported you wouldn't woman up to admitting that. Your bias reeks.

No lie. I'm watching you sit and spin now.

 

[kaz]

What you said.

I do know. I also know that it's quite a farce as you try to pretend that you are a representation of all Libertarians.

Please comment those of you who consider yourself small government libertarian on what you agree and disagree on.

I'm guessing you still don't get it, do you wench?

I get it just fine. You wanted to create a thread all about you. So, you have. Just like your last one.

Generally agree on beliefs and those damn details. I understand perfectly, twit.

LOL, you said I speak for all libertarians, I showed you what I actually said and you claim you get it? Obviously not, dumb bimbo. I hope you're hot, you're not making a living except on your back.

You arrogant ignorant douche bag. The only thing I'm seeing is you spin shit.

You started with the lie I am speaking for all small government libertarians. When I showed you that was factually wrong, not just unsupported you wouldn't woman up to admitting that. Your bias reeks.

No lie. I'm watching you sit and spin now.

LOL, the quote that shows you're a liar is not only in your own quote, but it's red...

 

[Disir]

Big spanking, too. HUGE. Got creamed.

 

[g5000]

I didn't say I disagreed with every point you made. However, your argument is based on that if you can find any libertarian who thinks it, then every libertarian must think it. Some of the things you listed are anarchists. And I never said I am a capital L Libertarian Party member, I said I am a small government libertarian. If you read my thread, I got general agreement from other small government libertarians on how I defined it.

The Libertarian Party is better than the Republican or Democrat parties, but they are sadly more party than libertarian and they have endless litmus tests. Their last two candidates were not even libertarian, they are just devolving into attention whores who want to affect elections rather than advance actual small government ideology.

And there it is.

Disir nailed it in his first post. "No true Scotsman time."

 

[kaz]

Big spanking, too. HUGE. Got creamed.

Since you feel the need to keep making the statement, you obviously recognize it doesn't stand on it's own.

 

[kaz]

I didn't say I disagreed with every point you made. However, your argument is based on that if you can find any libertarian who thinks it, then every libertarian must think it. Some of the things you listed are anarchists. And I never said I am a capital L Libertarian Party member, I said I am a small government libertarian. If you read my thread, I got general agreement from other small government libertarians on how I defined it.

The Libertarian Party is better than the Republican or Democrat parties, but they are sadly more party than libertarian and they have endless litmus tests. Their last two candidates were not even libertarian, they are just devolving into attention whores who want to affect elections rather than advance actual small government ideology.

And there it is.

Disir nailed it in his first post. "No true Scotsman time."

Damn you're dim witted. That isn't a true scotsman, you're a moron. Nothing new there.

 

[Billy000]

If you believe the FDA should be abolished, you might be a libertarian.

If you believe the FAA should not exist, you might be a libertarian.

If you believe crack cocaine should be legal, you might be a libertarian.

If you believe the US military should be shrunk down to the size of a cub scout troop, you might be a libertarian.

If you believe all roads should be privatized, you might be a libertarian.

If you believe all federal safety regulations should be abolished, you might be a libertarian.

If you believe all child labor laws should be repealed, you might be a libertarian.

If you believe all insider trading and financial fraud regulations should be abrogated, you might be a libertarian.

If you believe human beings will be on their best behavior if there are no rules and regulations, you might be a libertarian.

If you believe "I got mine, screw everyone else", you might be a libertarian

Strawman

Like many libertarians, you have an unrealistic view on the role of government. Your view of government and freedom is fueled by emotion rather than critical thinking. The fact that you do not see the danger of private industry controlling our healthcare system and other essential services is kind of scary. The fact that you do not understand the importance of regulation and taxation is bewildering.

Just because a very limited government sounds good on paper, it doesn't mean it is what this country needs.

LOL, you call me emotional, then cry the rest of the post about having to do things yourself instead of government doing it for you. Liberals are just hysterical.

Don't you think there should be regulations on how much lead is in paint? How about regulations against cancer causing ingredients in your pharmaceuticals? In your food? How about addictive additives in cigarettes? Shouldn't protection be provided to consumers?

 

[kaz]

Don't you think there should be regulations on how much lead is in paint? How about regulations against cancer causing ingredients in your pharmaceuticals? In your food? How about addictive additives in cigarettes? Shouldn't protection be provided to consumers?

Should government make those things illegal if they don't conform to whatever standard government sets as reasonable? No. Should producers of those things be required to disclose what they know or face civil and potentially criminal liability? Absolutely. An informed consumer is an empowered consumer. A regulated consumer is an empowered politician.

 

[rightwinger]

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Gotcha, if I want roads, then you can take my money and spend it for yourself, I'm just selfish. LOL, you're a tool.

Actually, yes. That is the way it works

And that is why a libertarian society is an anarchist society

No matter how it works, I want money I earned, you want money you did not earn. You are the selfish one. Voting doesn't change that. Sorry, Big Guy.

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

Like it or not, you belong to a society. As a member of a society, you get a say in how that society is run. Some of the things decided by that society you will agree with. others you will not

Libertarians believe that society does not apply to them

Even if that's true, your voting for government to plunder other people's money and give it to you is selfish.

If thats the case, every vote is selfish

We all vote for candidates who best represent our views

 

[Billy000]

Wh

Don't you think there should be regulations on how much lead is in paint? How about regulations against cancer causing ingredients in your pharmaceuticals? In your food? How about addictive additives in cigarettes? Shouldn't protection be provided to consumers?

Should government make those things illegal if they don't conform to whatever standard government sets as reasonable? No. Should producers of those things be required to disclose what they know or face civil and potentially criminal liability? Absolutely. An informed consumer is an empowered consumer. A regulated consumer is an empowered politician.

So you're saying that producers would be legally required to publically list every ingredient that is in their products? Why is it that such a better alternative than just setting guidelines? Tell me let's say we did it your way and a drug company discloses every ingredient in their drugs. How is the common consumer going to know which ingredient is cancer causing and which is safe?

 

[gipper]

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Gotcha, if I want roads, then you can take my money and spend it for yourself, I'm just selfish. LOL, you're a tool.

Actually, yes. That is the way it works

And that is why a libertarian society is an anarchist society

No matter how it works, I want money I earned, you want money you did not earn. You are the selfish one. Voting doesn't change that. Sorry, Big Guy.

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

Like it or not, you belong to a society. As a member of a society, you get a say in how that society is run. Some of the things decided by that society you will agree with. others you will not

Libertarians believe that society does not apply to them

Even if that's true, your voting for government to plunder other people's money and give it to you is selfish.

If thats the case, every vote is selfish

We all vote for candidates who best represent our views

So then, you admit you want government to take the property of others, under the threat of imprisonment and even death if necessary, so that government can give you what is not yours.

I will take anarchy over what we have today...any day of the week.

 

[kaz]

If thats the case, every vote is selfish

We all vote for candidates who best represent our views

So seriously, you don't understand the difference between voting for things like roads, police and military that are for the use of all citizens, and voting for government to take someone's money and give it to you? Seriously?

 

[kaz]

Wh

Don't you think there should be regulations on how much lead is in paint? How about regulations against cancer causing ingredients in your pharmaceuticals? In your food? How about addictive additives in cigarettes? Shouldn't protection be provided to consumers?

Should government make those things illegal if they don't conform to whatever standard government sets as reasonable? No. Should producers of those things be required to disclose what they know or face civil and potentially criminal liability? Absolutely. An informed consumer is an empowered consumer. A regulated consumer is an empowered politician.

So you're saying that producers would be legally required to publically list every ingredient that is in their products? Why is it that such a better alternative than just setting guidelines? Tell me let's say we did it your way and a drug company discloses every ingredient in their drugs. How is the common consumer going to know which ingredient is cancer causing and which is safe?

I said "disclose what they know," I did not say "list every ingredient." Those are not synonymous.

 

[rightwinger]

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Gotcha, if I want roads, then you can take my money and spend it for yourself, I'm just selfish. LOL, you're a tool.

Actually, yes. That is the way it works

And that is why a libertarian society is an anarchist society

No matter how it works, I want money I earned, you want money you did not earn. You are the selfish one. Voting doesn't change that. Sorry, Big Guy.

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

Like it or not, you belong to a society. As a member of a society, you get a say in how that society is run. Some of the things decided by that society you will agree with. others you will not

Libertarians believe that society does not apply to them

Even if that's true, your voting for government to plunder other people's money and give it to you is selfish.

If thats the case, every vote is selfish

We all vote for candidates who best represent our views

So then, you admit you want government to take the property of others, under the threat of imprisonment and even death if necessary, so that government can give you what is not yours.

I will take anarchy over what we have today...any day of the week.

Once again....

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

 

[rightwinger]

If thats the case, every vote is selfish

We all vote for candidates who best represent our views

So seriously, you don't understand the difference between voting for things like roads, police and military that are for the use of all citizens, and voting for government to take someone's money and give it to you? Seriously?

Roads, police and the military do not benefit everyone equally. If you own a business and a proposed new highway will send tens of thousands of cars past your place of business...aren't you voting for the government to take someones money and give it to you?

Everyone votes on which candidate will best represent their views and needs from society

 

[gipper]

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Gotcha, if I want roads, then you can take my money and spend it for yourself, I'm just selfish. LOL, you're a tool.

Actually, yes. That is the way it works

And that is why a libertarian society is an anarchist society

No matter how it works, I want money I earned, you want money you did not earn. You are the selfish one. Voting doesn't change that. Sorry, Big Guy.

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

Like it or not, you belong to a society. As a member of a society, you get a say in how that society is run. Some of the things decided by that society you will agree with. others you will not

Libertarians believe that society does not apply to them

Even if that's true, your voting for government to plunder other people's money and give it to you is selfish.

If thats the case, every vote is selfish

We all vote for candidates who best represent our views

So then, you admit you want government to take the property of others, under the threat of imprisonment and even death if necessary, so that government can give you what is not yours.

I will take anarchy over what we have today...any day of the week.

Once again....

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

No...taxes are not the price we pay for a civilized society. To believe that, one will believe anything...the State tells them.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Don't you think there should be regulations on how much lead is in paint? How about regulations against cancer causing ingredients in your pharmaceuticals? In your food? How about addictive additives in cigarettes? Shouldn't protection be provided to consumers?

Should government make those things illegal if they don't conform to whatever standard government sets as reasonable? No. Should producers of those things be required to disclose what they know or face civil and potentially criminal liability? Absolutely. An informed consumer is an empowered consumer. A regulated consumer is an empowered politician.

Which agency is going to enforce that disclosure? Which agency is going to impose the civil/criminal penalty?

The government, right?

Which agency is doing that at the present moment?

The government, right?

Therefore you are an advocate for "big government" rather than a "true" libertarian.

Disir nailed you up front and g5000 is pounding you into the dirt and now, you just gobsmacked yourself with your own post!

Strike 3, you're out!

The OP is toast.

 

[rightwinger]

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Gotcha, if I want roads, then you can take my money and spend it for yourself, I'm just selfish. LOL, you're a tool.

Actually, yes. That is the way it works

And that is why a libertarian society is an anarchist society

No matter how it works, I want money I earned, you want money you did not earn. You are the selfish one. Voting doesn't change that. Sorry, Big Guy.

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

Like it or not, you belong to a society. As a member of a society, you get a say in how that society is run. Some of the things decided by that society you will agree with. others you will not

Libertarians believe that society does not apply to them

Even if that's true, your voting for government to plunder other people's money and give it to you is selfish.

If thats the case, every vote is selfish

We all vote for candidates who best represent our views

So then, you admit you want government to take the property of others, under the threat of imprisonment and even death if necessary, so that government can give you what is not yours.

I will take anarchy over what we have today...any day of the week.

Once again....

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

No...taxes are not the price we pay for a civilized society. To believe that, one will believe anything...the State tells them.

Anarchist

 

[bripat9643]

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Gotcha, if I want roads, then you can take my money and spend it for yourself, I'm just selfish. LOL, you're a tool.

Actually, yes. That is the way it works

And that is why a libertarian society is an anarchist society

No matter how it works, I want money I earned, you want money you did not earn. You are the selfish one. Voting doesn't change that. Sorry, Big Guy.

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

Like it or not, you belong to a society. As a member of a society, you get a say in how that society is run. Some of the things decided by that society you will agree with. others you will not

Libertarians believe that society does not apply to them

Government is not society, moron, so your post is irrelevant to the subject of the OP.