What actions should be taken at the border in respect to the caravan arriving ?

[Moonglow]

Debate !!

For openers, Jerry needs to call out his state's National Guard as a blocking force.

Numbers require numbers.

Then the Feds should move a Marine BLT down there to relieve the Nat Guard.

Nat Guard can move in 24 hours.

Marines need about 48 or so.

Who will pay for it? The state doesn't want to and evidently neither do the feds..

 

[yiostheoy]

Debate !!

For openers, Jerry needs to call out his state's National Guard as a blocking force.

Numbers require numbers.

Then the Feds should move a Marine BLT down there to relieve the Nat Guard.

Nat Guard can move in 24 hours.

Marines need about 48 or so.

Who will pay for it? The state doesn't want to and evidently neither do the feds..

The Feds have no choice. They need to foot the entire bill.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, we have a choice to threaten with sanctions the country of Mexico for not allowing them to take up asylum there, and instead facilitates their journey to our border.

The whole thing is a conspired plan by those within these other countries to bring hell to our doorstep every chance they get. Just as we are not to remain the policeman of the world, nor should we remain the ignorant caretakers of the world. We have enough problems of our own already.

Laws will need to be changed..

Laws get changed and then the courts in Hawaii or the 9th Circuit say you can't change the law!

You're whining. The laws passed by Congress tend to work. It is the half-assed ideas from Trump's bigoted brain that are getting shot down, for good reason.

Really? Obama issues an executive order violating the law as written by Congress and signed by the President at the time. Trump comes along and cancels the illegal executive order. Some nimrod in Hawaii or the 9th Circuit says that he can't do that, despite the very program itself being an unconstitutional overreach of power by Obama. The illegal policy enacted by Obama must stay in place despite the court having zero jurisdiction to do so! If the liberals on the SCOTUS were capable of intelligent thought, the ruling would be 9-0 in favor of Trump.

DACA is in place because the way the dept of homeland security presented the case not the actual details of the legality of the act.

DACA is unconstitutional. End of story. Any immigration official not adhering to the letter of the law should be fired.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Debate !!

For openers, Jerry needs to call out his state's National Guard as a blocking force.

Numbers require numbers.

Then the Feds should move a Marine BLT down there to relieve the Nat Guard.

Nat Guard can move in 24 hours.

Marines need about 48 or so.

Who will pay for it? The state doesn't want to and evidently neither do the feds..

The CA National Guard is already there. Have a nice day and do try to keep up!

 

[Moonglow]

Laws will need to be changed..

Laws get changed and then the courts in Hawaii or the 9th Circuit say you can't change the law!

You're whining. The laws passed by Congress tend to work. It is the half-assed ideas from Trump's bigoted brain that are getting shot down, for good reason.

Really? Obama issues an executive order violating the law as written by Congress and signed by the President at the time. Trump comes along and cancels the illegal executive order. Some nimrod in Hawaii or the 9th Circuit says that he can't do that, despite the very program itself being an unconstitutional overreach of power by Obama. The illegal policy enacted by Obama must stay in place despite the court having zero jurisdiction to do so! If the liberals on the SCOTUS were capable of intelligent thought, the ruling would be 9-0 in favor of Trump.

DACA is in place because the way the dept of homeland security presented the case not the actual details of the legality of the act.

DACA is unconstitutional. End of story. Any immigration official not adhering to the letter of the law should be fired.

Really ?? When was it ruled unconstitutional by a court of law?

 

[Moonglow]

Debate !!

For openers, Jerry needs to call out his state's National Guard as a blocking force.

Numbers require numbers.

Then the Feds should move a Marine BLT down there to relieve the Nat Guard.

Nat Guard can move in 24 hours.

Marines need about 48 or so.

Who will pay for it? The state doesn't want to and evidently neither do the feds..

The CA National Guard is already there. Have a nice day and do try to keep up!

Then there are no problems, why the hubbub, Bud?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Laws get changed and then the courts in Hawaii or the 9th Circuit say you can't change the law!

You're whining. The laws passed by Congress tend to work. It is the half-assed ideas from Trump's bigoted brain that are getting shot down, for good reason.

Really? Obama issues an executive order violating the law as written by Congress and signed by the President at the time. Trump comes along and cancels the illegal executive order. Some nimrod in Hawaii or the 9th Circuit says that he can't do that, despite the very program itself being an unconstitutional overreach of power by Obama. The illegal policy enacted by Obama must stay in place despite the court having zero jurisdiction to do so! If the liberals on the SCOTUS were capable of intelligent thought, the ruling would be 9-0 in favor of Trump.

DACA is in place because the way the dept of homeland security presented the case not the actual details of the legality of the act.

DACA is unconstitutional. End of story. Any immigration official not adhering to the letter of the law should be fired.

Really ?? When was it ruled unconstitutional by a court of law?

Courts have no jurisdiction over Trump canceling Obama's EO. Suck it up and go back to school and study the separation of powers.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Debate !!

For openers, Jerry needs to call out his state's National Guard as a blocking force.

Numbers require numbers.

Then the Feds should move a Marine BLT down there to relieve the Nat Guard.

Nat Guard can move in 24 hours.

Marines need about 48 or so.

Who will pay for it? The state doesn't want to and evidently neither do the feds..

The CA National Guard is already there. Have a nice day and do try to keep up!

Then there are no problems, why the hubbub, Bud?

Why are you and other liberals so stupid? That's the hubbub, Bub! Not Bud!

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

1. Should they be allowed to cross into the United States ??

2. Why didn't they find refuge in Mexico ??

3. Should the national guard set temporary camps up that will feed them, vett them, and then turn them back into the direction from which they came ??

4. Should the nation listen to their stories all about the horrors in which they are fleeing from, and if believed, then go with them back to their country, make war with the forces within that country in which caused them to flee to begin with, and help to liberate their Homeland for their soon to be triumphant return ??

It's perfectly legal to request asylum the way they are; it's just kind of a lot of people at once. Immigrants in the US are doing the same at the Canadian border, you know. Humiliating to me that immigrants are fleeing the US due to a hostile environment. And I think folks like you are to blame.

Quit calling these illegal pieces of scum immigrants. It's an affront to the millions who came here LEGALLY. Stay in your own country and clean up your own shitholes.

The people in the caravan are NOT doing anything illegal by requesting asylum. I think if anything WE are screwing up by refusing to process their requests.

How so?

You do realize that Mexico willingly allowed illegal carvan through their country to attack the U.S. Border just because they dislike the idea of the possible border wall, right?

I for one have been against the border wall because it is a waste of money and believe the best way to combat illegal immigration is to:

1. Dry up all legal and illegal resources.

2. Punish all employers that practice in illegal hiring of illegal immigrants.

Do that and poof many will leave.

I agree with you on #2, 100%. I don't know what #1 means, exactly.
But Bruce, this is not an attack:

Actually Old Lady it is a attack and you do not know why.

See Old Lady Mexico should have stopped the Caravan because they broke Mexico law of entering their country illegally, so they allowed thos caravan to cross it country through Cartel regions so that it could make it to our border.

So with that then mix in Cartel, MS 13 and other criminal elements that have joined those that really need help with the hope to invade our country.

Now Old Lady you might not know this but there is bigger players behind this and Russia, China and even Iran fuel the wars and gangs in that region to make our country look bad when we deny the real victims so it will cause unrest...

You will deny this but this has to do with more stuff than people want to realize...

 

[GHook93]

Debate !!

Prevented from entering the US and told to turn around or face jail and automatic denial of their fake asylum claim, but before they go load their car up with a dozen or so unaccompanied illegal children that came over during the Obama errora so they can take them home!


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[JimBowie1958]

 

[beagle9]

1. Should they be allowed to cross into the United States ??

2. Why didn't they find refuge in Mexico ??

3. Should the national guard set temporary camps up that will feed them, vett them, and then turn them back into the direction from which they came ??

4. Should the nation listen to their stories all about the horrors in which they are fleeing from, and if believed, then go with them back to their country, make war with the forces within that country in which caused them to flee to begin with, and help to liberate their Homeland for their soon to be triumphant return ??

It's perfectly legal to request asylum the way they are; it's just kind of a lot of people at once. Immigrants in the US are doing the same at the Canadian border, you know. Humiliating to me that immigrants are fleeing the US due to a hostile environment. And I think folks like you are to blame.

Quit calling these illegal pieces of scum immigrants. It's an affront to the millions who came here LEGALLY. Stay in your own country and clean up your own shitholes.

The people in the caravan are NOT doing anything illegal by requesting asylum. I think if anything WE are screwing up by refusing to process their requests.

Gotta take a stand sooner or later or this country will be a country no more. How about you getting together with your buds, and go to Hondurus to pettition that government to do right by it's citizens, then report back here as to your findings. If no success in your journey, then get out the way, and let the US military go there, occupy the place, implement Marshall law, and return these people back safely to their Homelands.

 

[Aba Incieni]

1. Should they be allowed to cross into the United States ??

2. Why didn't they find refuge in Mexico ??

3. Should the national guard set temporary camps up that will feed them, vett them, and then turn them back into the direction from which they came ??

4. Should the nation listen to their stories all about the horrors in which they are fleeing from, and if believed, then go with them back to their country, make war with the forces within that country in which caused them to flee to begin with, and help to liberate their Homeland for their soon to be triumphant return ??

It's perfectly legal to request asylum the way they are; it's just kind of a lot of people at once. Immigrants in the US are doing the same at the Canadian border, you know. Humiliating to me that immigrants are fleeing the US due to a hostile environment. And I think folks like you are to blame.

Quit calling these illegal pieces of scum immigrants. It's an affront to the millions who came here LEGALLY. Stay in your own country and clean up your own shitholes.

The people in the caravan are NOT doing anything illegal by requesting asylum. I think if anything WE are screwing up by refusing to process their requests.

Gotta take a stand sooner or later or this country will be a country no more. How about you getting together with your buds, and go to Hondurus to pettition that government to do right by it's citizens, then report back here as to your findings. If no success in your journey, then get out the way, and let the US military go there, occupy the place, implement Marshall law, and return these people back safely to their Homelands.

They burned down the Mayor's house in the capitol today.

 

[beagle9]

Debate !!

That’s a tough one-

On one hand, as the leader of the free world we need to extend ourselves to the less fortunate and spread the idea of freedom and liberty against tyranny, but on the other hand, if we allow these people to inundate across our borders we will encourage more people to come, and overwhelm our already stressed system of caring for those unwilling and incapable of caring for themselves.

I know this- if we allow anybody to walk in and tap in, our experiment will fail much sooner.

Your “experiment” has already failed. When the richest nation in the world turns its back humanitarian refugees, you have betrayed the very values you claim to hold dear.

When you do so because “you can’t afford it”, after giving away trillions of dollars in tax cuts to your wealthiest citizens and corporations, you are a hypocrite.

Your nation’s values are now personal greed and xenophobia.

Your WRONG! This country is still the greatest country on earth. Why else would we even be discussing how to manage ALL THE PEOPLE who want to come here. The fact that so many would risk so much to come here makes it obvious how great this country is.....obvious to everyone except the very stupid, like you.

Instead of ruining this country by coming here they should make their countries great by duplicating effort where they live.

If they had safe places to live and jobs to work, they no doubt would. Who willingly moves to a foreign country where you don't know the language and the customs and lifestyle are so different? Who would leave home if they didn't feel it was a desperate situation?
If the U.S. would spend a little attention on helping those Central American countries get stabilized and safe, it might solve the problem better, and be money better spent, than a wall.

Yes, and we ought to solve it with the barrel of a gun. Corrupt governments don't fall so easily, and when looking into the faces of these victims it should embolden us even moreso to lay strict sanctions upon these governments, and if that takes to long to work, then get to kicking some corrupt governments ace. Our own security depends on these countries being stabilized and made safe again. Time for the left to join the US military, and to fight for the causes they believe in or open up your homes to these people pronto.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

That’s a tough one-

On one hand, as the leader of the free world we need to extend ourselves to the less fortunate and spread the idea of freedom and liberty against tyranny, but on the other hand, if we allow these people to inundate across our borders we will encourage more people to come, and overwhelm our already stressed system of caring for those unwilling and incapable of caring for themselves.

I know this- if we allow anybody to walk in and tap in, our experiment will fail much sooner.

Your “experiment” has already failed. When the richest nation in the world turns its back humanitarian refugees, you have betrayed the very values you claim to hold dear.

When you do so because “you can’t afford it”, after giving away trillions of dollars in tax cuts to your wealthiest citizens and corporations, you are a hypocrite.

Your nation’s values are now personal greed and xenophobia.

Your WRONG! This country is still the greatest country on earth. Why else would we even be discussing how to manage ALL THE PEOPLE who want to come here. The fact that so many would risk so much to come here makes it obvious how great this country is.....obvious to everyone except the very stupid, like you.

Instead of ruining this country by coming here they should make their countries great by duplicating effort where they live.

If they had safe places to live and jobs to work, they no doubt would. Who willingly moves to a foreign country where you don't know the language and the customs and lifestyle are so different? Who would leave home if they didn't feel it was a desperate situation?
If the U.S. would spend a little attention on helping those Central American countries get stabilized and safe, it might solve the problem better, and be money better spent, than a wall.

Yes, and we ought to solve it with the barrel of a gun. Corrupt governments don't fall so easily, and when looking into the faces of these victims it should embolden us even moreso to lay strict sanctions upon these governments, and if that takes to long to work, then get to kicking some corrupt governments ace. Our own security depends on these countries being stabilized and made safe again. Time for the left to join the US military, and to fight for the causes they believe in or open up your homes to these people pronto.

Never going to change!

Now why did I write this?

In the 1980's we tried this by backing rebel groups in the region and after it failure we ended up with MS 13 and a stronger Cartel problem in Mexico that is backed by agents from Russia, China, Iran and North Korea.

What is happening is bigger than what we want to admit in life.

The fact is El Salvador and other countries in the region have been funded by countries lthat I have mentioned for decades so those countries like Russia can fight a proxy war with us.

Also take into the reality China is behind the opioid and meth that come from Mexico you then learn more and more that this is attack on the U.S. and many do not see who is behind it and countries like Mexico and those Central American ones are just puppets in all this.

So to fix those Nations the United States of America would have to remove Russia, China, Iran and even North Korea influence from the region which will never happen.

So there is no way to fix something like this when it is a proxy war...

 

[TheParser]

In regard to the title question:

1. We should all take a day off and go to the border to welcome them.

2. We should ask President Trump to send the American Air Force to Honduras in order to bring that nation's entire population here. As liberals tell us: Don't build fences; just make the table longer.

3. When they arrive, no doubt wonderful people such as Minority Leader Pelosi and Secretary Clinton will volunteer to let at least a dozen families stay with them. Senator Bernie Sanders has three houses, so he no doubt would be delighted to turn over one of those houses to those newly arrived immigrants.

 

[BlackSand]

1. Should they be allowed to cross into the United States ??

2. Why didn't they find refuge in Mexico ??

3. Should the national guard set temporary camps up that will feed them, vett them, and then turn them back into the direction from which they came ??

4. Should the nation listen to their stories all about the horrors in which they are fleeing from, and if believed, then go with them back to their country, make war with the forces within that country in which caused them to flee to begin with, and help to liberate their Homeland for their soon to be triumphant return ??

Put them on shuttles ...
Take them to the airport ...
And give them the choice of a free plane ticket to ...
Canada, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Norway, Sweden, China, North Korea, Venezuela or South Africa.

One of those ought to suit their desires ...

.​

 

[OldLady]

Debate !!

For openers, Jerry needs to call out his state's National Guard as a blocking force.

Numbers require numbers.

Then the Feds should move a Marine BLT down there to relieve the Nat Guard.

Nat Guard can move in 24 hours.

Marines need about 48 or so.

A "blocking force?" Marines? Tough getting those toddlers under control, I know, but Marines?

 

[OldLady]

It's perfectly legal to request asylum the way they are; it's just kind of a lot of people at once. Immigrants in the US are doing the same at the Canadian border, you know. Humiliating to me that immigrants are fleeing the US due to a hostile environment. And I think folks like you are to blame.

Quit calling these illegal pieces of scum immigrants. It's an affront to the millions who came here LEGALLY. Stay in your own country and clean up your own shitholes.

The people in the caravan are NOT doing anything illegal by requesting asylum. I think if anything WE are screwing up by refusing to process their requests.

How so?

You do realize that Mexico willingly allowed illegal carvan through their country to attack the U.S. Border just because they dislike the idea of the possible border wall, right?

I for one have been against the border wall because it is a waste of money and believe the best way to combat illegal immigration is to:

1. Dry up all legal and illegal resources.

2. Punish all employers that practice in illegal hiring of illegal immigrants.

Do that and poof many will leave.

I agree with you on #2, 100%. I don't know what #1 means, exactly.
But Bruce, this is not an attack:

Actually Old Lady it is a attack and you do not know why.

See Old Lady Mexico should have stopped the Caravan because they broke Mexico law of entering their country illegally, so they allowed thos caravan to cross it country through Cartel regions so that it could make it to our border.

So with that then mix in Cartel, MS 13 and other criminal elements that have joined those that really need help with the hope to invade our country.

Now Old Lady you might not know this but there is bigger players behind this and Russia, China and even Iran fuel the wars and gangs in that region to make our country look bad when we deny the real victims so it will cause unrest...

You will deny this but this has to do with more stuff than people want to realize...

Russia, China and even Iran fuel the wars and gangs in that region to make our country look bad
Is that just your opinion, Bruce, or do you know stuff I don't? In other words, you got a link on that?
I wouldn't be surprised by anything Russia does to stick a thorn in our boot, but that is not an activity I had heard of before.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Debate !!

For openers, Jerry needs to call out his state's National Guard as a blocking force.

Numbers require numbers.

Then the Feds should move a Marine BLT down there to relieve the Nat Guard.

Nat Guard can move in 24 hours.

Marines need about 48 or so.

A "blocking force?" Marines? Tough getting those toddlers under control, I know, but Marines?

Besides, the Marines would eat all of those kid's crayons!