Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

[braalian]

Cain’s wife had to come from somewhere.

It was his sister

 

[Quantrill]

You kinda suck at debating

Empty words. If you have something you want to debate about, say on.

Other wise it's smarter to keep your mouth shut.

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[hobelim]

My, my...here you have talked much about 'your god'. Yet you refuse to acknowledge who this so called 'god' is.

Why would I have to explain who my God is to a man of such distinguished pretentions who professes to have read the Bible?

Why are you ashamed to identify your 'god'? He must not be much for you to refuse to tell me about him.

Who is your god? What is his name? How did you learn of him?

Don't be silly. I have already told you clearly in plain language.

My God is the only living God in existence. He is incorporeal with no visible shape or material form and there is no other god either equal to, above, or below him which precludes the possibility of your trinity that raped a 14 year old virgin to become an innocent sacrificial Jewish mangod whose death you pretend to believe in your unrestrained imagination absolves you from paying the penalty for your own vile degrading and obscene sins.

Don't you remember? No? Go figure!

And some people don't believe in Divine condemnation, the death, a curse, for setting aside the Law of my God and turning to the lifeless work of human hands that you worship and eat on your knees for spiritual life.

Derp

Imagine that!

 

[hobelim]

Jesus is not in the Old Testament

So what.

Whether you believe it or not, whether you understand how he fulfilled Jewish messianic expectations or not (which were as irrational back then as Christian expectations of the second coming are now) Jesus claimed and proved to be the prophet promised by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18, a prophecy he fulfilled by leading people to the sanctuary of God by revealing the figurative words and hidden subjects of the Law, the hidden wisdom and purpose of God, effectively ending death, the burden of the Law, for all who listed to his teaching and acted on it.

 

[Hafar1014]

So what.

Whether you believe it or not, whether you understand how he fulfilled Jewish messianic expectations or not (which were as irrational back then as Christian expectations of the second coming are now) Jesus claimed and proved to be the prophet promised by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18, a prophecy he fulfilled by leading people to the sanctuary of God by revealing the figurative words and hidden subjects of the Law, the hidden wisdom and purpose of God, effectively ending death, the burden of the Law, for all who listed to his teaching and acted on it.

Jesus is an an idol who never existed because there is no original sin or fall of man in Genesis.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus is an an idol who never existed because there is no original sin or fall of man in Genesis.
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You are confusing Roman perversions of Jesus, a fake substitute counterfeit Jesus conjured from the depths of a Roman Mithraic hell, a three in one mangod that never existed, the Antichrist, unleashed on the world in 325ce. with what Jesus actually said and taught about Jewish Law which flew above the grasp of superstitious romans.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus is an an idol

You are right.

Even Jesus, according to the story, compared himself to the serpent Moses lifted up during the time of testing in the wilderness which became the object of idolatry until Hezekiah came, the subject of a young woman with child, and did what was right in Gods eyes by destroying the bronze statue God told Moses to make. Here's the thing. If it was right for Hezekiah to destroy the bronze serpent then it was never right to turn to it for healing.

 

[flack]

The nine specific hominids often cited include Homo sapiens, Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis), Denisovans, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo floresiensis, Homo naledi, Homo luzonensis, and Homo habilis. The exact grouping can vary based on recent discoveries and classifications, but this list represents a widely accepted group of hominids, with Homo sapiens being the only one that still exists today.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus is an an idol who never existed because there is no original sin or fall of man in Genesis.
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Men claiming to be the Messiah were a dime a dozen back then. Why would anyone believe, or idolize a man who said He was God, and couldn't even save Himself from the cross?
Because this one came back. And they knew He was who He said He was.
We don't idolize Him. We worship Him, and thank Him for nailing our sins to that cross.

Here is His portrait on a loaf of 1,300 year old bread, dug up in Turkey, nee Capernaum...

 

[Hafar1014]

Men claiming to be the Messiah were a dime a dozen back then. Why would anyone believe, or idolize a man who said He was God, and couldn't even save Himself from the cross?
Because this one came back. And they knew He was who He said He was.
We don't idolize Him. We worship Him, and thank Him for nailing our sins to that cross.

Here is His portrait on a loaf of 1,300 year old bread, dug up in Turkey, nee Capernaum...

When god has a mane face o=and personality its an idol

 

[Hafar1014]

When god has a mane face o=and personality its an idol

 

[The Irish Ram]

When god has a mane face o=and personality its an idol

Referring to Christ:
Isaiah 53:2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

As for God:
He walks, so He must have legs. He spoke, ate, he sat, put His hand in front of Moses' face, called Jesus His right hand, turns His back, sees, smells...

Even in spirit form, people were able to recognize each other in Abraham's Bosom and hell. If we are made in God's image, even in spirit, are we made in His image? Do we look like Him?

 

[toobfreak]

there were humans without souls?

Those were your first Democrats.

 

[hobelim]

Men claiming to be the Messiah were a dime a dozen back then. Why would anyone believe, or idolize a man who said He was God, and couldn't even save Himself from the cross?

Why was caesar worshipped as a god when he couldn't stop Brutus from stabbing him in the back?

Some people are not too swift? Either that or they were afraid of being executed for unbelief. The idea is absurd.

The entire Bible refutes the lie that an object or a human being could be a god. There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence. Thats the truth.

How is it that you don't know the only right course to take? Where is your faith?

 

[Quantrill]

Why would I have to explain who my God is to a man of such distinguished pretentions who professes to have read the Bible?


Don't be silly. I have already told you clearly in plain language.

My God is the only living God in existence. He is incorporeal with no visible shape or material form and there is no other god either equal to, above, or below him which precludes the possibility of your trinity that raped a 14 year old virgin to become an innocent sacrificial Jewish mangod whose death you pretend to believe in your unrestrained imagination absolves you from paying the penalty for your own vile degrading and obscene sins.

Don't you remember? No? Go figure!

And some people don't believe in Divine condemnation, the death, a curse, for setting aside the Law of my God and turning to the lifeless work of human hands that you worship and eat on your knees for spiritual life.

Derp

Imagine that!

Simple questions. Who is your god? What is his name? Where did you learn of him. Why are you ashamed to tell me about him?

Thus far you are a fake, just as your god is a fake. Please answer my questions.

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[The Irish Ram]

Why was caesar worshipped as a god when he couldn't stop Brutus from stabbing him in the back?

Did Caesar come back from the dead? Welp, not a God then.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Men claiming to be the Messiah were a dime a dozen back then. Why would anyone believe, or idolize a man who said He was God, and couldn't even save Himself from the cross?
Because this one came back. And they knew He was who He said He was.
We don't idolize Him. We worship Him, and thank Him for nailing our sins to that cross.

Here is His portrait on a loaf of 1,300 year old bread, dug up in Turkey, nee Capernaum...

The inscription on the loaves reads, Thank you blessed Jesus.

 

[hobelim]

Did Caesar come back from the dead? Welp, not a God then.

Was Jesus 100% human? Whelp, not a God then. Did Lazarus come back from the dead? Yes?

Whelp, he was not a God either.

 

[hobelim]

Simple questions.

Simple questions, already answered. You seem to be having some sort of mental malfunction. Thats a shame.

Who is your god?

Again,

My God is the only living God in existence. He is incorporeal with no visible shape or material form and there is no other god either equal to, above, or below him which precludes the possibility of your trinity that raped a 14 year old virgin to become an innocent sacrificial Jewish mangod whose death you pretend to believe in your unrestrained imagination absolves you from paying the penalty for your own vile degrading and obscene sins.

What is his name?

יהוה Jesus called him the Father to differentiate his God, my God, from the false image created by a literal interpretation of the Law. A cruel and capricious petty tyrant obsessed with diet fashion and human sexuality.

Where did you learn of him.

Its all in the Bible. Is this a surprise to you? I acted on the instructions and the Father made himself known to me.

Why are you ashamed to tell me about him?

I am not ashamed. You are, and I know why. The truth is that I have openly made my God, the Father of Jesus, known. He is one, not three. He never impregnated a 14 year old virgin, doesn't give a shit about what people eat, what they wear or the sexual preferences of consenting adults, never became a man, never abolished his Law, never became a perfect human sacrifice to himself so that "believers" who defy the law of my God, worship a trinity, celebrate the torture and death of Jesus, worship and eat him on their knees every now and then on Sundays in the form of a lifeless matzo made by human hands can sin with impunity for life and not pay the penalty, death, a curse that you so perfectly display because he loved the Roman Empire so much. Dimwit.

Thus far you are a fake, just as your god is a fake.

Thanks for openly making how you truly feel about my God, the Father of Jesus, known. You are busted dude.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you.

 

[Hafar1014]

Simple questions, already answered. You seem to be having some sort of mental malfunction. Thats a shame.


Again,

My God is the only living God in existence. He is incorporeal with no visible shape or material form and there is no other god either equal to, above, or below him which precludes the possibility of your trinity that raped a 14 year old virgin to become an innocent sacrificial Jewish mangod whose death you pretend to believe in your unrestrained imagination absolves you from paying the penalty for your own vile degrading and obscene sins.



יהוה Jesus called him the Father to differentiate his God, my God, from the false image created by a literal interpretation of the Law. A cruel and capricious petty tyrant obsessed with diet fashion and human sexuality.



Its all in the Bible. Is this a surprise to you?



I am not ashamed. You are, and I know why. The truth is that I have openly made my God, the Father of Jesus, known. He is one, not three. He never impregnated a 14 year old virgin, doesn't give a shit about what people eat, what they wear or the sexual preferences of consenting adults, never became a man, never abolished his Law, never became a perfect human sacrifice to himself so that "believers" who defy the law of my God, worship a trinity, celebrate the torture and death of Jesus, worship and eat him on their knees in the form of a lifeless matzo made by human hands can sin with impunity for life and not pay the penalty, death, a curse that you so perfectly display, because he loved the Roman Empire so much. Dimwit.


Thanks for openly making how you truly feel about my God, the Father of Jesus, known. You are busted dude.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you.

There is no Jesus original sin or the fall of man in Genesis