Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

[hobelim]

When the Christian obeys God rather than man and suffers the penalty for it, he is submitting to the authority.

Thats not rational. if Christians obeyed God they would never pay homage to any devil, especially Caesar, and would never degrade themselves and submit to any "authority" of the scarlet beast that sits on seven hills. Rome.

If Christians obeyed God they would always rebel against "the powers that be", who lead smooth easy lives at the cost of the people they abuse with their sorcery until the final inquisition when the celestial powers will be shaken, stars will fall from their lofty places in the sky, mountains will crumble into the sea, and valleys lifted up.

In other words, until now. But don't wet your diapers!

Its not about cosmic catastrophe. Its about social upheaval and overdue change. It won't be long before any unclean creature like trump won't be able to usurp any position of authority high or low for the next 1000 years.

Be happy!

 

[Quantrill]

Wow. You actually wrote that down for everyone to see? Copra sanctum! You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are just wrong. The Christian is supposed to obey God by complying with the Divine commands in the same exact WAY that Jesus taught and demonstrated, whatever the cost, the only right WAY to comply with the Laws demands that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings on earth and eternal life in the sanctuary of God, NOW, for all who listen to his teaching and act on it, eat his flesh and drink his blood. Life is in the blood, in the doing.

Listen father Vivian O'Blivion, however resplendent in your frock you are just a corpse without "the breath of life". You are only fooling yourself. You have confused faith with obstinate stupidity, idolatry, a sin under penalty of death, with the way to eternal life. YOUR HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY. Death. But don't take it too hard. There is still some hope. You still have a few milliseconds left as a hapless human lurking here on earth to repent for your idolatry and your lies and your murders and your sorcery to avoid complete and permanent destruction.

Thats "the good news". You're welcome.



ATTENTION! NOW HEAR THIS:

Rising from the dead is as easy or as difficult as it is for anyone to be honest with themselves and others.

You should give it a try.

THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

Wow. How stupid. You respond to one sentence of mine and ignore all other explanation that I gave to support it, as well as with Scripture.

Keep that mouth of yours moving little man. Keep that jaw jacking. You have no followers. Your god is you. And he is a phony.

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Sure, Rome thought Jesus was innocent but executed him for sedition anyway because Pilate was afraid of the crowd? But you are leaving out the part where Pilate asks Jesus if he was a king and Jesus responded "King is your word. My task (as messiah) is to bear witness to the truth." And went on to say, "My kingdom is not of this world." to which Pilate exclaimed "So you are a king!" and then had Jesus taken away to be executed.

Melekh Ha-Yehudim, crown of thorns,140 lashes with the flagellum, beatings, mock worship, crucifixion and all.

Shame you don't know the Scriptures. As I showed you, Rome did not execute Jesus for sedition. (John 19:4)

Pay attention. I know it's difficult.

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if that is your written bible you are a jew ... not really any worse than being a christian - both are makebelieve.

Foolish and ignorant statement. Prove what you are saying.

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[Quantrill]

Thats not rational. if Christians obeyed God they would never pay homage to any devil, especially Caesar, and would never degrade themselves and submit to any "authority" of the scarlet beast that sits on seven hills. Rome.

If Christians obeyed God they would always rebel against "the powers that be", who lead smooth easy lives at the cost of the people they abuse with their sorcery until the final inquisition when the celestial powers will be shaken, stars will fall from their lofty places in the sky, mountains will crumble into the sea, and valleys lifted up.

In other words, until now. But don't wet your diapers!

Its not about cosmic catastrophe. Its about social upheaval and overdue change. It won't be long before any unclean creature like trump won't be able to usurp any position of authority high or low for the next 1000 years.

Be happy!

I don't care about your perverted rationale.

Christians don't pay homage to the devil. They obey the powers that be until the powers that be force them to renounce their faith. As I have showed you in Scripture. You disagree, but have no Scripture. Why? Because you're a phony.

Who is your god, little man? What is his name? Where is his writings? What are his followers called, other than dumbass? Why don't you answer?

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[hobelim]

Christians don't pay homage to the devil.

Then explain to me how is it that trump is in office in large part to Christians who profess to believe that the epitome of the talking serpent was chosen by God, ignoring his own admission that the election was rigged.

Christians pay homage to the devil every time they blubber on their knees to a trinity that became an edible man.

Your pathetic attempts at derision can never change that fact.

 

[Quantrill]

Then explain to me how is it that trump is in office in large part to Christians who profess to believe that the epitome of the talking serpent was chosen by God, ignoring his own admission that the election was rigged.

Christians pay homage to the devil every time they blubber on their knees to a trinity that became an edible man.

Your pathetic attempts at derision can never change that fact.

Such babbling. We who are Christian vote also. When it is between a mindless Democrat or a conservative Republican, we vote conservative.

Christians do not pay homage to the devil. We do worship God, and Jesus Christ the God/Man, the Second Person of the Trinity, as declared in the Scriptures.

Your problem, just one of many, is you don't recognize that Jesus is God. But then why should you? You are a phony and whoever that little god you claim to worship is, is a phony.

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[BreezeWood]

Foolish and ignorant statement. Prove what you are saying.

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that's you ...

the christian bible is written in the 4th century - you are a jew regardless which bible you read - there are two different bibles or do you not know that.

 

[hobelim]

You respond to one sentence of mine and ignore all other explanation that I gave to support it, as well as with Scripture.

You mean like when I clearly explained to you the fact that it is objectively reprehensible to accept the bullshit belief that a trinity raped a 14 year old virgin to become an innocent Jewish man who was crucified as a perfect human sacrifice to himself so that numbskulls like you can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life and not die the death for sinning because your imaginary trinity loved the Roman Empire so much and you ignored it?

So?

 

[hobelim]

Shame you don't know the Scriptures. As I showed you, Rome did not execute Jesus for sedition. (John 19:4)

Shame on you for swallowing such a patently false narrative that Pilate found no reason to crucify Jesus for sedition even after he exclaimed, "so you are a king!", making those poor misunderstood Romans look like innocent bystanders and those evil Jews are the ones who made him do it because he was afraid of the crowd?

Okey dokey.

Pilate would have slaughtered the entire crowd without compunction before bowing to the will of the conquered.

Thats a fact.

 

[hobelim]

Christians do not pay homage to the devil. We do worship God, and Jesus Christ the God/Man, the Second Person of the Trinity, as declared in the Scriptures.

Christians who worship a trinity that became a sacrificial Jewish man worship the Antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus conjured from the depths of a Roman hell, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military, that assimilated and perverted early Christianity, with Pauls help, and was unleashed on the world in 325CE.

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, Christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

 

[hobelim]

We do worship God, and Jesus Christ the God/Man, the Second Person of the Trinity,

"We" worship God and Jesus Christ the God/Man?

Well, goodie for y'all. I can see the many wonderful things that defying the Law of my God by swallowing a maudlin 4th century Roman bullshit story, eating the flesh of swine that do not ruminate, has done for y'all!

A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

The truth remains.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

 

[hobelim]

Your problem, just one of many, is you don't recognize that Jesus is God. But then why should you?

Why don't I recognize that Jesus is God? Good question. The simple answer is that it is a just not true. Thats why and, aside from the obvious, Jesus did not claim to be God as can be seen in John 20:17. This is irrefutable.

"Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father; My God and your God."

By saying that his God is their God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he either claimed to be or thought of himself as God. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Apparently you are the one with a big problem.

Now you know.

There is no darkness greater than the darkness in the mind of the person whose only light in life is a lie.
(hobelim 3:14)

 

[hobelim]

When it is between a mindless Democrat or a conservative Republican, we vote conservative

We? So y'all think that the epitome of a talking serpent, trump a con artist and liar, is a conservative republican?

Even as he screws American ranchers, starts a trade war, bombs boats in the Caribbean, sends the national guard to save cities that he claims are a war zone, lol, sends masked ice agents to round up immigrants and deport them to prisons in an authoritarian country, cuts funding to essential services, pardons pedophiles and criminals, and tears down the east wing to build a $300 million dollar ballroom to satisfy his demented ego?

Six Months In, Trump Has Too Many Failures To Count | Opinion

In six short months, President Trump has made Americans poorer, less secure, less healthy, and more isolated.

www.newsweek.com

Wow.

Making America great again, lol, by destroying it and shitting on the people isn't what it was cracked up to be. I guess if you are clueless enough to "just believe" that God became an edible Jewish man you'll believe anything.

Damn clever them fourth century Romans.

 

[Quantrill]

that's you ...

the christian bible is written in the 4th century - you are a jew regardless which bible you read - there are two different bibles or do you not know that.

Foolish and ignorant statements. Prove what you are saying.

No, the Bible is written from about 1450 B.C. to about 100 A.D.

No, I didn't know that. What are they?

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[Quantrill]

You mean like when I clearly explained to you the fact that it is objectively reprehensible to accept the bullshit belief that a trinity raped a 14 year old virgin to become an innocent Jewish man who was crucified as a perfect human sacrifice to himself so that numbskulls like you can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life and not die the death for sinning because your imaginary trinity loved the Roman Empire so much and you ignored it?

So?

I call the Bible the Word of God. You call it bullshit.

I believe the Bible, the Word of God. I don't believe your bullshit.

Gee, that was easy.

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[Quantrill]

Shame on you for swallowing such a patently false narrative that Pilate found no reason to crucify Jesus for sedition even after he exclaimed, "so you are a king!", making those poor misunderstood Romans look like innocent bystanders and those evil Jews are the ones who made him do it because he was afraid of the crowd?

Okey dokey.

Pilate would have slaughtered the entire crowd without compunction before bowing to the will of the conquered.

Thats a fact.

(John 19:10-11) is fact.

Your rambling is just bullshit.

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[Quantrill]

Christians who worship a trinity that became a sacrificial Jewish man worship the Antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus conjured from the depths of a Roman hell, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military, that assimilated and perverted early Christianity, with Pauls help, and was unleashed on the world in 325CE.

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, Christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

I don't worship Mithra. I worship God and Jesus Christ. Nice speech though.

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[hobelim]

I call the Bible the Word of God. You call it bullshit.

No, I call your ignorant literal interpretation of the words of the Bible bullshit. An actual snake spoke to Adam and Eve? Jesus performed supernatural "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally? Jesus was a man who claimed to be God in the flesh? What you believe snd worship in is a perfect description of the Antichrist.

What a maroon! lol

I believe the Bible, the Word of God. I don't believe your bullshit.

Gee, that was easy.

So you don't believe that God, MY God, the only God in existence, is unequalled and not three coequal persons in one godhead whatever that means (which was the belief of Mithraism)? You don't believe that you're under the condemnation of my God for sinning even though Jesus was crucified? Jesus was the messiah and not God? Idolatry isn't the way to eternal life but the way to the death a curse that you so perfectly display unaware? Got it.

You don't believe any of that? Wow. And some people don't believe that the Law remains in effect and full force.

Imagine that!

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Quantrill]

"We" worship God and Jesus Christ the God/Man?

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Well, goodie for y'all. I can see the many wonderful things that defying the Law of my God by swallowing a maudlin 4th century Roman bullshit story, eating the flesh of swine that do not ruminate, has done for y'all!

A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

The truth remains.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

The Bible disagrees with you. Serve whatever god you like. But Jesus Christ is that Second Person of the Trinity, Who entered the human race by the Virgin Birth. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He is both Man and God yet one Person, due to the miraculous Virgin Birth.

(Is. 7:14) "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign, Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bare a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Immanuel means 'God with us'.

Jesus Christ is the only God/Man ever to enter the human race. He was/is God first, and then entered the human race as Jesus Christ.

Sorry your phony god hasn't and can't do the same.

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