Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

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We just fill in the blanks. The Bible is scarce on details.

Actually, the Bible is quite detailed. People like yourselves just refuse to believe it and then change the story by creating blanks with your unbelief.

It's interesting to see the roads unbelief creates.

Myself, I consider it a dangerous game to pervert the Word of God. Only because I believe it. (Rev. 22:18-19)

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[Woodznutz]

Not so. That supposed 'literary construct' of yours called a serpent used to walk upright. But was cursed and made to crawl on its belly.

Nothing to indicate God was looking at Eve when He cursed the serpent. Another fabrication of yours. (Gen. 3:14-15)

But, none of it should matter to you and others. After all, to you, Adam and Eve were just literary constructs also...right? And surely God must just be a 'literary construct' too.

Pardon while I vomit.

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I believe Adam and Eve were real, and that Eve was literally made from Adam's rib.

You might want to study the Hebrew word "belly", it refers to vaginal childbirth. Also, women eat dirt, snakes don't.

"Pregnant women may eat dirt due to a phenomenon known as pica, which is often linked to nutritional deficiencies, cultural practices, and instinctual behaviors."

Understanding​

"Pica is the craving and consumption of non-food items, such as dirt, clay, or chalk. This behavior is particularly common among pregnant women, who may experience cravings for substances that are not typically considered food. The term "geophagy" specifically refers to the practice of eating earth or soil."

 

[Woodznutz]

Actually, the Bible is quite detailed. People like yourselves just refuse to believe it and then change the story by creating blanks with your unbelief.

It's interesting to see the roads unbelief creates.

Myself, I consider it a dangerous game to pervert the Word of God. Only because I believe it. (Rev. 22:18-19)

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Here a little, there a little, line upon line. The Bible is jigsaw puzzle. Ever do jigsaw puzzles? It requires concentration and study to put the thing together. Same with the Bible. God hides things, kings (future) seek them out.

 

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You might want to study the Hebrew word "belly". Also, women eat dirt, snakes don't.

"Pregnant women may eat dirt due to a phenomenon known as pica, which is often linked to nutritional deficiencies, cultural practices, and instinctual behaviors."

Understanding​

"Pica is the craving and consumption of non-food items, such as dirt, clay, or chalk. This behavior is particularly common among pregnant women, who may experience cravings for substances that are not typically considered food. The term "geophagy" specifically refers to the practice of eating earth or soil."

You might want to pay attention to who is being addressed. (Gen 3:14) "And the LORD God said unto the serpent..." Not the woman. The woman is addressed in (Gen. 3:16). "Unto the woman he said..." The man is addressed in (Gen. 3:17) "And unto Adam he said..."

As for the word 'belly' it is only used twice. (Gen 3:14) (Lev. 11:42) Both times to refer to the external belly of creatures who crawl on their belly.

Sorry to hear about the women you go with. Hope they have a good tooth brush.

The Bible disagrees with you. (Gen. 3:14) "And the LORD God said unto the serpent...and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life." (Is. 65:25) "....the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat...." (Micah 7:17) "They shall lick the dust like a serpent..."

Are Adam and Eve just 'literary constructs'? Why or why not?

Is God just a 'literary construct'? Why or why not?

With your method of interpretation you can make it say anything you want. Which you do.

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[Woodznutz]

You might want to pay attention to who is being addressed. (Gen 3:14) "And the LORD God said unto the serpent..." Not the woman. The woman is addressed in (Gen. 3:16). "Unto the woman he said..." The man is addressed in (Gen. 3:17) "And unto Adam he said..."

As for the word 'belly' it is only used twice. (Gen 3:14) (Lev. 11:42) Both times to refer to the external belly of creatures who crawl on their belly.

Sorry to hear about the women you go with. Hope they have a good tooth brush.

The Bible disagrees with you. (Gen. 3:14) "And the LORD God said unto the serpent...and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life." (Is. 65:25) "....the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat...." (Micah 7:17) "They shall lick the dust like a serpent..."

Are Adam and Eve just 'literary constructs'? Why or why not?

Is God just a 'literary construct'? Why or why not?

With your method of interpretation you can make it say anything you want. Which you do.

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Here's an example of 'filling in the blanks'. I have determined that the wood used in the ark was cedar, widely available in the region. Because cedar is dimensionally stable and highly aromatic it was necessary to cover the ark inside and out with pitch. Outside because cedar doesn't swell up when wet (like oak does) therefore pitch was needed make it watertight. While the aroma of cedar is pleasant in small doses it can be toxic in large doses over time, therefore the inside of the ark also had to be sealed. Does this corrupt the story in any way?

 

[Woodznutz]

You might want to pay attention to who is being addressed. (Gen 3:14) "And the LORD God said unto the serpent..." Not the woman. The woman is addressed in (Gen. 3:16). "Unto the woman he said..." The man is addressed in (Gen. 3:17) "And unto Adam he said..."

As for the word 'belly' it is only used twice. (Gen 3:14) (Lev. 11:42) Both times to refer to the external belly of creatures who crawl on their belly.

Sorry to hear about the women you go with. Hope they have a good tooth brush.

The Bible disagrees with you. (Gen. 3:14) "And the LORD God said unto the serpent...and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life." (Is. 65:25) "....the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat...." (Micah 7:17) "They shall lick the dust like a serpent..."

Are Adam and Eve just 'literary constructs'? Why or why not?

Is God just a 'literary construct'? Why or why not?

With your method of interpretation you can make it say anything you want. Which you do.

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Here a little, there a little, line upon line. The Bible is jigsaw puzzle. Ever do jigsaw puzzles? It requires concentration and study to put the thing together. Same with the Bible. God hides things, kings (future) seek them out.

Those in unbelief create a different bible. As you and others have.

There is 'rightly dividing the Word'. (2 Tim. 2:15) And there are those who 'wrongly divide the Word', who build not according to Scripture. Who falsify Scripture. Who build in unbelief of what the Scripture says. Like you are doing.

(Gen. 3:1) "...Yea, hath God said, ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

(Matt. 4:5-6) "Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city...And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee...." A quote from (Ps. 91:11-12)

Is the devil a 'literary construct'? Why or why not?

Is Jesus a 'literary construct? Why or why not?

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[Woodznutz]

You might want to pay attention to who is being addressed. (Gen 3:14) "And the LORD God said unto the serpent..." Not the woman. The woman is addressed in (Gen. 3:16). "Unto the woman he said..." The man is addressed in (Gen. 3:17) "And unto Adam he said..."

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Satan got into Peter's head just as Satan got into Eve's head. That's where demons do their thing, in the heads of humans. They don't appear physically.

 

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Here's an example of 'filling in the blanks'. I have determined that the wood used in the ark was cedar, widely available in the region. Because cedar is dimensionally stable and highly aromatic it was necessary to cover the ark inside and out with pitch. Outside because cedar doesn't swell up when wet (like oak does) therefore pitch was needed make it watertight. While the aroma of cedar is pleasant in small doses it can be toxic in large doses over time, therefore the inside of the ark also had to be sealed. Does this corrupt the story in any way?

Well, that's real good. Only you didn't address anything in the post other than you like to make up stuff.

Are Adam and Eve 'literary constructs'? Why or why not?

Is God a 'literary construct'? Why or why not?

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[Woodznutz]

Well, that's real good. Only you didn't address anything in the post other than you like make up stuff.

Are Adam and Eve 'literary constructs'? Why or why not?

Is God a 'literary construct'? Why or why not?

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They're quite real.

 

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But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Satan got into Peter's head just as Satan got into Eve's head. That's where demons do their thing, in the heads of humans. They don't appear physically.

And there Jesus was addressing Satan who was behind what Peter said. And Jesus plainly stated it. You have no such statement in (Gen. 3:13-17).

Just believe the Word of God instead of making stuff up.

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They're quite real.

Why are they real and the serpent a 'literary construct'?

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[Woodznutz]

The Bible disagrees with you. (Gen. 3:14) "And the LORD God said unto the serpent...and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life." (Is. 65:25) "....the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat...." (Micah 7:17) "They shall lick the dust like a serpent..."



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It looks like there's different meanings depending on the context.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why are they real and the serpent a 'literary construct'?

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The Bible uses many literary devices.

 

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It looks like there's different meanings depending on the context.

No, it looks like the Bible disagrees with what you have made up.

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The Bible uses many literary devices.

That is no answer.

What makes God, Adam and Eve, real, and the serpent a 'literary construct'?

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[Woodznutz]

That is no answer.

What makes God, Adam and Eve, real, and the serpent a 'literary construct'?

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Sure it is. The Satan of the garden is an anthropomorphism; a spirit being given the attributes of a physical being. Do you believe that Satan "walks around like a lion devouring people"?
Satan and the demons are spirit beings that God has allowed to get into our heads. I also believe that many people are actually possessed by demons.

What kinds of literary techniques are used in the Bible?

Examples of literary techniques in the Bible: Chiasm, Acrostic, Alliteration, Allusion, Anthropomorphism, Apostrophe, Assonance, etc.

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[DGS49]

Anthropological science postulates that Homo sapiens Sapiens probably existed for about a hundred thousand years, far pre-dating the allegorical Garden of Eden. The Genesis creation story is intended to describe the relationship between the Creator and mankind; it is not a scientific treatise.

Ya gotta have faith. No getting around it.

 

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Sure it is. The Satan of the garden is an anthropomorphism; a spirit being given the attributes of a physical being. Do you believe that Satan "walks around like a lion devouring people"?
Satan and the demons are spirit beings that God has allowed to get into our heads. I also believe that many people are actually possessed by demons.

What kinds of literary techniques are used in the Bible?

Examples of literary techniques in the Bible: Chiasm, Acrostic, Alliteration, Allusion, Anthropomorphism, Apostrophe, Assonance, etc.

carm.org

Satan described in (1 Peter 5:8) as a roaring lion is a metaphor. 'as a roaring lion'. It describes Satans nature. No such language is used in (Gen. 3:1).

Just because there are metaphors and similes used in the Bible, doesn't mean you can make everything a metaphor or symbolic that you don't believe in the Bible. Which is what you and others do.

Again, why is God, Adam, and Eve, real, and the serpent a 'literary construct'? You have not answered.

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Anthropological science postulates that Homo sapiens Sapiens probably existed for about a hundred thousand years, far pre-dating the allegorical Garden of Eden. The Genesis creation story is intended to describe the relationship between the Creator and mankind; it is not a scientific treatise.

Ya gotta have faith. No getting around it.

Indeed you do. And I do.

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