We're number 37 !!!!!!!!!!!

[Old Rocks]

Real rockin' music!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4[/ame]

 

[uscitizen]

I liked that. Thanks.

"We" Seem to be pretty proud of being mediocre.

 

[Cecilie1200]

How many times has this canard been debunked, just on this message board? I've lost count.

 

[Old Rocks]

You mean that we are lower than 37? Lordy, lordy!

 

[uscitizen]

How many times has this canard been debunked, just on this message board? I've lost count.

And that has what to do with Shineola?
I would like to see the tune go to Number 1 with a bullet.

 

[Old Rocks]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1I9xsV-g9Y&NR=1[/ame]

 

[uscitizen]

Do you know that "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" is in the official Methodist hymnals?

btw the first vid was best. It was pretty darn good.

 

[Toronado3800]

If I recall the CIA Factbook has the United States someplace in the mid-thirties based on life expectancy.

Now I know that statistic is influenced by how much red meat you eat not just how good your doctors are.

But yup, we're mid 30's!!!!!!!!

 

[uscitizen]

Eat that cheeseburger!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How many times has this canard been debunked, just on this message board? I've lost count.

I've peer reviewed this post and find it 100% accurate.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Do we really have to dig out those stats of how the US leads in life expectancy after things like heart surgery and cancers? You know all those numbers that the WHO didn't use.....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Which of the 36 countries above ours did Ted Kennedy choose for his care?

Right.

So, shut the fuck up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Do we really have to dig out those stats of how the US leads in life expectancy after things like heart surgery and cancers? You know all those numbers that the WHO didn't use.....

Let me help dig 'em out.

Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
WHO | Message from the Director-General

The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.
WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses
theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre
/press_release/en/index.html.
1. Health Level: 25 percent
2. Health Distribution: 25 percent
3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent
4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent
5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Therefore a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US.
This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loanb) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.
And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.


How to judge healthcare:
a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!
“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
Dave Petno » Canadian Doctor Describes Canadian Socialized Medicine

b) How about the result of having food? With so much food, so many choices (tell me about it), we Americans are eating ourselves to death: obesity. Is this the fault of poor healthcare?
From a NYTimes article about ‘Sicko,’ and Cuba:
“Because they don’t have up-to-date cars, they tend to have to exercise more by walking,” he said. “And they may not have a surfeit of food, which keeps them from problems like obesity, but they’re not starving, either.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/27/weekinreview/27depalma.html

c) Infant mortality. So, Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate? On January 2, 2009 they announced 4.7 out of every 1,000 for 2008. Seem believable? Well, maybe the number, but calculated in 48 hours? It takes the US about two years to get all the data for our. One reason that Cuba has a low infant mortality, and the corresponding high life expectancy, is because they induce abortion at the first sign of possible trouble with a fetus. “Cuba's annual induced abortion rate persistently ranks among the highest in the world, and abortion plays a prominent role in Cuban fertility regulation.”
Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies

And, of course, there are a variety of ways that infant mortality statistics are measured. While 40% of America’s infant mortality rate is due to reporting of infants who die on the day of their birth, many countries don’t register such deaths at all. Other countries require specific size (Switzerland, 30 cm) and weights (Austria and Germany, 500 gms) to be listed as having been born.
Bernadine Healy, M.D.: Behind the baby count - US News and World Report

Rarely reported in comparing infant mortality rates it the negative effect of “very pre-term” babies, whose death rate is far higher than full term. When comparing the US infant mortality rate to such category-stars as in this NYTimes report of 11/4/09:
“If the United States could match Sweden’s prematurity rate, the new report said, “nearly 8,000 infant deaths would be averted each year, and the U.S. infant mortality rate would be one-third lower.”

We find the usual anti-US slant of the Times, in not mentioning that race is the reason:

“The use of this example highlights to disingenuousness of the authors. In their supposedly “detailed” report on infant mortality, they fail to analyze the most important detail: race. Unfortunately, African descent is a major risk factor for prematurity, and prematurity is a major cause of infant mortality. Therefore, it is hardly surprising that the US has a higher infant mortality rate than Sweden. The US has the highest proportion of women of African descent of any first world country. Sweden, of course, has virtually none. So our higher rate of infant mortality does not reflect poor medical care. It reflects factors beyond the control of doctors. Race is an uncontrollable factor; obstetricians and pediatricians have no control over assisted reproductive techniques. In fact, the data actually show obstetricians and pediatricians do a remarkable job of ensuring infant health.”

Infant mortality report neglects the most important detail - AmyTuteurMD - Open Salon

One factor contributing to the U.S.'s infant mortality rate is that blacks have intractably high infant mortality rates -- irrespective of age, education, socioeconomic status and so on. No one knows why.

Neither medical care nor discrimination can explain it: Hispanics in the U.S. have lower infant mortality rates than either blacks or whites. Give Switzerland or Japan our ethnically diverse population and see how they stack up on infant mortality rates.
A Statistical Analysis of Maritime Unemployment Rates, 1946-1948. Just Kidding, More Liberal Lies About National Healthcare! - HUMAN EVENTS

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. Love it when the truth is delivered in music. Really sets off the wingnut fringe.

This guy is damned near as good as the Chad Mitchell Trio.

 

[Cecilie1200]

How many times has this canard been debunked, just on this message board? I've lost count.

And that has what to do with Shineola?
I would like to see the tune go to Number 1 with a bullet.

It's important for two reasons. The first is that policy decisions should not be based on lies. The second is that I have no desire for our nation's healthcare to do better on a scale so badly weighted in favor of factors that are bad for our nation.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Health Care and Man Made Global Warming seem to use the same metrics, maybe East Angelia can get into the Health Care measurement business?

 

[Old Rocks]

How many times has this canard been debunked, just on this message board? I've lost count.

And that has what to do with Shineola?
I would like to see the tune go to Number 1 with a bullet.

It's important for two reasons. The first is that policy decisions should not be based on lies. The second is that I have no desire for our nation's healthcare to do better on a scale so badly weighted in favor of factors that are bad for our nation.

I see. The CIA is also lying to us? There data says the same.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And that has what to do with Shineola?
I would like to see the tune go to Number 1 with a bullet.

It's important for two reasons. The first is that policy decisions should not be based on lies. The second is that I have no desire for our nation's healthcare to do better on a scale so badly weighted in favor of factors that are bad for our nation.

I see. The CIA is also lying to us? There data says the same.

Produce it.

 

[uscitizen]

It's important for two reasons. The first is that policy decisions should not be based on lies. The second is that I have no desire for our nation's healthcare to do better on a scale so badly weighted in favor of factors that are bad for our nation.

I see. The CIA is also lying to us? There data says the same.

Produce it.

Isn't "produced" evidence the issue we are discussing here?

 

[Old Rocks]

It's important for two reasons. The first is that policy decisions should not be based on lies. The second is that I have no desire for our nation's healthcare to do better on a scale so badly weighted in favor of factors that are bad for our nation.

I see. The CIA is also lying to us? There data says the same.

Produce it.

Easy enough for someone with the average Liberal intellect. Pretty difficult for a Conservative, however.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.26 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 180
male: 6.94 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.55 deaths/1,000 live births (2009 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.11 years
country comparison to the world: 50
male: 75.65 years
female: 80.69 years (2009 est.)