We'll take the Bedouins in exchange for every Jew to leave the US

[Coyote]

Islam is not comparable to the Nazi's, that's just not right.

 

[SAYIT]

Islam is not comparable to the Nazi's, that's just not right.

While it is true it probably can't last it certainly has been a marriage of convenience:

It [Mein Kampf] was originally translated into Arabic in Egypt by the WWII Nazi SS official Heiden Ludwig who worked as a journalist for the anti-Jewish agency Weltdienst (NSDAP). Like many WWII Nazis, after the war he converted to Islam, changed his name (Luis el-Hadj) and fled Europe.

The book remains a modern-day best-seller in the Arab and Muslim World, including; Egypt, Palestine, and Turkey. And is also selling well in London areas with a large Arab population. It is often sold along-side religious literature and is selling as well as Dan Brown's latest novel in Dhaka, Bangladesh, where sales soar towards Eid, as it is bought by many as gifts.

The amount of anti-Jewish text in Mein Kampf adds up to 7 percent in total, whilst the largely non-abrograted Medinan verses of the Qur'an contain more than double that amount, standing at almost 17 percent.

Mein Kampf - WikiIslam

 

[montelatici]

Zionism is more comparable to Nazism. They are both political ideologies which promote ethnic/racial exclusivity and superiority. Islam is a religion with adherents from all over the world of different races and ethnicities.

 

[Kondor3]

Would that be the

How dare you bring up Nazi Germany, or Nazis, to distract from the issue at hand. Of course this is a jew tactic isn't it.

Yeah, how dare I. That's hilarious. I am an atheist. And you are still a bigot. Congratulations.

So are the maj. of Jews. No I think I am pointing out the Israel racism and demolishing homes of others to make room for more Jews which I find despicable.

Would this be the illegally built village that is placed on land already destined for another purpose. Land the arab muslims don't own and are just squatting on against the law. The Israelis have built them a village not that far away that has proper buildings, sewage disposal, running water and electricity. With a School, hospital/clinic and mosque.

So why only provide half the story when you know the truth will come out and show you are a LIAR

Don't blame him-her-it... their Radical Islamist handlers don't tell them everything... and sometimes they get burned by that state of affairs...

Musn't take unfair advantage of these weak-minded Militant Muslim propaganda shills and mouthpieces and Fellow Travelers and other Useful Idiots...

Well, that made no sense at all.

I'm sure it didn't, from your perspective... MEH.

 

[Kondor3]

Zionism is more comparable to Nazism. They are both political ideologies which promote ethnic/racial exclusivity and superiority. Islam is a religion with adherents from all over the world of different races and ethnicities.

Islam brings blood and gore and misogyny and goat droppings.

 

[montelatici]

Zionism is more comparable to Nazism. They are both political ideologies which promote ethnic/racial exclusivity and superiority. Islam is a religion with adherents from all over the world of different races and ethnicities.

Islam brings blood and gore and misogyny and goat droppings.

Some ignorant pieces of crap, like you, say the same thing about Judaism.

 

[Kondor3]

Zionism is more comparable to Nazism. They are both political ideologies which promote ethnic/racial exclusivity and superiority. Islam is a religion with adherents from all over the world of different races and ethnicities.

Islam brings blood and gore and misogyny and goat droppings.

Some ignorant pieces of crap, like you, say the same thing about Judaism.

Calm down and take your evening meds, Abdul...

 

[Roudy]

Zionism is more comparable to Nazism. They are both political ideologies which promote ethnic/racial exclusivity and superiority. Islam is a religion with adherents from all over the world of different races and ethnicities.

Islam brings blood and gore and misogyny and goat droppings.

Some ignorant pieces of crap, like you, say the same thing about Judaism.

Some Jew hating ignorant pieces of crap, like you, forget that Palestinians are the bastard children of the marriage between Islamism and Nazism.

In fact they laid the seed for IslamoNazism and Islamofacism that spread through the entire region eventually creating monsters like ISIS and Al Queda.

Hitler s Mufti Catholic Answers

 

[Phoenall]

Islam is not comparable to the Nazi's, that's just not right.

 

[Phoenall]

Why isn't it right when many of the practises of the Germans were gleaned from Islamic laws and rules. From the pact of Omar to the dhimmi laws and sharia law. The wearing of badges to racially segregate the people, the purity laws and the marriage laws. So if you study the two ideologies you see that they are exactly the same, which is why Nazism attracted so many muslims to its side during WW2. These included the "Palestinians" and other groups that later became the terrorist organisations we see today

 

[Coyote]

Why isn't it right when many of the practises of the Germans were gleaned from Islamic laws and rules. From the pact of Omar to the dhimmi laws and sharia law. The wearing of badges to racially segregate the people, the purity laws and the marriage laws. So if you study the two ideologies you see that they are exactly the same, which is why Nazism attracted so many muslims to its side during WW2. These included the "Palestinians" and other groups that later became the terrorist organisations we see today

You show the same ignorance of history and scale as Penelope and the same adherence to conspiracy theory.

1. The Nazi practices were not gleaned from Islamic laws and rules. Europe itself has it's own history of seperating out Jews and "marking" them with badges as well as segregating them into ghettos or expelling through pogroms, anti-semitic laws, etc. The Nazi practice of human experimentation, concentration camps, and whole-sale murder of civilians did not come from Islam and developed from a well-entrenched European anti-semitism.

2. Nazism did not attract "so many muslims". WW2 was an explosion of many small wars and regional tifs under one banner. The Middle East was in it's own conflagration of Arab Nationalism, post-colonialism, post-Ottoman and Zionism. The Mufti of Jeruselum (the figure you guys like to use to indicate that Islam supports Nazism) was only a regional figure, not some sort of world leader or representative of a large proportion of Muslims. The Palestinians became terrorist groups for the same reason the Zionists did - when you engage in assymetric warfare, terrorism is a tactic these groups use. You might want to take a look at our Muslim allies in WW2: On D-Day Remembering the Muslim Troops who Fought the Axis Informed Comment When it comes to religions - what were the majority of the Nazi's and their allies?

 

[Coyote]

Going back to the OT - there is merit to the compliant. From the NYT article linked to in the OT:

...Mr. Qian and the other members of some 70 Bedouin families are likely to be evicted soon from their homes in the hamlet of Umm al-Hiran, where they have been living since the 1950s. In their place, the Israeli government plans to build a community with nearly the same name, Hiran — but its expected residents will be religious, Zionist Jews.

The government says Umm al-Hiran is on state-owned land that it would like to develop, and it has fought a long legal battle to have the Bedouin families, about 1,000 people, relocated. This month, the Supreme Court ruled in a 2-1 decision that the families would have to leave. The court gave no date for when evictions could begin, and residents intend to appeal the decision.

The Bedouins say they do not want to leave land on which they have been living for more than half a century after being resettled there by the Israeli military. The government has promised compensation in the form of cash and land elsewhere, but the Bedouins say the decision to move them reflects discriminatory policies.

The land is "state-owned". They want to develop it. Ok. Why don't they develop it for the residents currently there? After all - the Israeli military settled them there in the first place. Or, why not develop up it to be a mixed community?

The policy certainly seems not only discriminatory but something from another era - like the way we used to "re-locate" Native Americans when we decided we wanted their land or decided their "reservation" was suddenly needed for white Christian expansion so we'd move them to yet another reservation (usually crappier).

For advocates of the future Jewish town of Hiran, the evictions are a matter of law and order.

“We are talking about state-owned lands on which people knowingly built on illegally,” said Liad Aviel, a government spokesman on Bedouins. “These people who built illegally on land that belongs to the state need to get off this land.”

But he added: “The court is very humane. They will not be kicked out of their homes without them having a solution.”

How is it "illegal" when the Israeli Military itself settled them there?

But supporters of the Bedouins view moving as acquiescence to a racist policy. The residents of Umm al-Hiran also say that the land the government has offered them in nearby Houra is already crowded and unsuitable for resettlement.

“This is a fight over our existence,” said Talab Abu Arar, a Bedouin member of Israel’s Parliament.

“The Israeli state sings to the world that it is a democratic state of Arabs and Jews,” he said, but “an Arab resident is prevented from his rights, while Jewish residents are given all their rights and more.”

Hassan Jabareen, chief attorney at the Arab legal rights group Adalah, which is representing the village, said that it was the first time the courts had ordered the evacuation of an entire hamlet, and that the reason for doing so — to build a Jewish community — set a dangerous precedent.

It sounds like they are trying to force them into ever more crowded and impoverished "reservations".

Clinton Bailey, an Israeli scholar who has studied the Bedouins for 45 years, said the military had concentrated them into one part of the Negev. Later, when Israel passed an absentee property law in 1953, Bedouins lost the rights to the land they used to live on, which had already been tenuous because most of them did not have deeds, just tribal acknowledgment of their territories, he said.

The Bedouins are the poorest and fastest-growing group in Israel, partly because of large, polygamous families. Some 70,000 Bedouins live in 35 communities that are off Israel’s planning grid, with no running water, power, roads, health care or education.

A $2 billion plan to resolve the Bedouins’ long-contested ownership claims to lands in the Negev was shelved in December 2013. It would have forced thousands of people to relocate, generally to smaller plots of land in government-built towns.

But Umm al-Hiran is unique among the Bedouin communities, its advocates say, because the Supreme Court acknowledged in its May 5 ruling that the residents were not trespassers. The government leased them land there until the 1980s, according to Adalah, the legal group. And Hiran will be built where Umm al-Hiran lies, suggesting that the government could also provide infrastructure for the Bedouins.

Hiran was part of a 2002 government plan to create several Jewish communities in the Negev to populate the sparse region, particularly contentious border areas like Umm al-Hiran, which is just miles from Israel’s de facto border with the West Bank.

The government said Umm al-Hiran’s residents could purchase plots in the future town, but Mr. Qian said they wanted to stay together as a community. He said they had asked to have their community recognized and to have a Jewish community built alongside theirs, but had received no response.

Again. Bedouin are Israeli citizens, yes? They have the same rights?

 

[Phoenall]

Going back to the OT - there is merit to the compliant. From the NYT article linked to in the OT:

...Mr. Qian and the other members of some 70 Bedouin families are likely to be evicted soon from their homes in the hamlet of Umm al-Hiran, where they have been living since the 1950s. In their place, the Israeli government plans to build a community with nearly the same name, Hiran — but its expected residents will be religious, Zionist Jews.

The government says Umm al-Hiran is on state-owned land that it would like to develop, and it has fought a long legal battle to have the Bedouin families, about 1,000 people, relocated. This month, the Supreme Court ruled in a 2-1 decision that the families would have to leave. The court gave no date for when evictions could begin, and residents intend to appeal the decision.

The Bedouins say they do not want to leave land on which they have been living for more than half a century after being resettled there by the Israeli military. The government has promised compensation in the form of cash and land elsewhere, but the Bedouins say the decision to move them reflects discriminatory policies.

The land is "state-owned". They want to develop it. Ok. Why don't they develop it for the residents currently there? After all - the Israeli military settled them there in the first place. Or, why not develop up it to be a mixed community?

The policy certainly seems not only discriminatory but something from another era - like the way we used to "re-locate" Native Americans when we decided we wanted their land or decided their "reservation" was suddenly needed for white Christian expansion so we'd move them to yet another reservation (usually crappier).

For advocates of the future Jewish town of Hiran, the evictions are a matter of law and order.

“We are talking about state-owned lands on which people knowingly built on illegally,” said Liad Aviel, a government spokesman on Bedouins. “These people who built illegally on land that belongs to the state need to get off this land.”

But he added: “The court is very humane. They will not be kicked out of their homes without them having a solution.”

How is it "illegal" when the Israeli Military itself settled them there?

But supporters of the Bedouins view moving as acquiescence to a racist policy. The residents of Umm al-Hiran also say that the land the government has offered them in nearby Houra is already crowded and unsuitable for resettlement.

“This is a fight over our existence,” said Talab Abu Arar, a Bedouin member of Israel’s Parliament.

“The Israeli state sings to the world that it is a democratic state of Arabs and Jews,” he said, but “an Arab resident is prevented from his rights, while Jewish residents are given all their rights and more.”

Hassan Jabareen, chief attorney at the Arab legal rights group Adalah, which is representing the village, said that it was the first time the courts had ordered the evacuation of an entire hamlet, and that the reason for doing so — to build a Jewish community — set a dangerous precedent.

It sounds like they are trying to force them into ever more crowded and impoverished "reservations".

Clinton Bailey, an Israeli scholar who has studied the Bedouins for 45 years, said the military had concentrated them into one part of the Negev. Later, when Israel passed an absentee property law in 1953, Bedouins lost the rights to the land they used to live on, which had already been tenuous because most of them did not have deeds, just tribal acknowledgment of their territories, he said.

The Bedouins are the poorest and fastest-growing group in Israel, partly because of large, polygamous families. Some 70,000 Bedouins live in 35 communities that are off Israel’s planning grid, with no running water, power, roads, health care or education.

A $2 billion plan to resolve the Bedouins’ long-contested ownership claims to lands in the Negev was shelved in December 2013. It would have forced thousands of people to relocate, generally to smaller plots of land in government-built towns.

But Umm al-Hiran is unique among the Bedouin communities, its advocates say, because the Supreme Court acknowledged in its May 5 ruling that the residents were not trespassers. The government leased them land there until the 1980s, according to Adalah, the legal group. And Hiran will be built where Umm al-Hiran lies, suggesting that the government could also provide infrastructure for the Bedouins.

Hiran was part of a 2002 government plan to create several Jewish communities in the Negev to populate the sparse region, particularly contentious border areas like Umm al-Hiran, which is just miles from Israel’s de facto border with the West Bank.

The government said Umm al-Hiran’s residents could purchase plots in the future town, but Mr. Qian said they wanted to stay together as a community. He said they had asked to have their community recognized and to have a Jewish community built alongside theirs, but had received no response.

Again. Bedouin are Israeli citizens, yes? They have the same rights?

Even Hitler stated that islam was the only true way to treat the Jews.

The village was built illegally after the Israeli government had started to build them a new village close by, the nomads did not want the new village they just wanted to cause as much disruption as they could for the Israeli's. The village is no different to the many demolished by the US government when built by illegal immigrants and tramps.

 

[Coyote]

Going back to the OT - there is merit to the compliant. From the NYT article linked to in the OT:

...Mr. Qian and the other members of some 70 Bedouin families are likely to be evicted soon from their homes in the hamlet of Umm al-Hiran, where they have been living since the 1950s. In their place, the Israeli government plans to build a community with nearly the same name, Hiran — but its expected residents will be religious, Zionist Jews.

The government says Umm al-Hiran is on state-owned land that it would like to develop, and it has fought a long legal battle to have the Bedouin families, about 1,000 people, relocated. This month, the Supreme Court ruled in a 2-1 decision that the families would have to leave. The court gave no date for when evictions could begin, and residents intend to appeal the decision.

The Bedouins say they do not want to leave land on which they have been living for more than half a century after being resettled there by the Israeli military. The government has promised compensation in the form of cash and land elsewhere, but the Bedouins say the decision to move them reflects discriminatory policies.

The land is "state-owned". They want to develop it. Ok. Why don't they develop it for the residents currently there? After all - the Israeli military settled them there in the first place. Or, why not develop up it to be a mixed community?

The policy certainly seems not only discriminatory but something from another era - like the way we used to "re-locate" Native Americans when we decided we wanted their land or decided their "reservation" was suddenly needed for white Christian expansion so we'd move them to yet another reservation (usually crappier).

For advocates of the future Jewish town of Hiran, the evictions are a matter of law and order.

“We are talking about state-owned lands on which people knowingly built on illegally,” said Liad Aviel, a government spokesman on Bedouins. “These people who built illegally on land that belongs to the state need to get off this land.”

But he added: “The court is very humane. They will not be kicked out of their homes without them having a solution.”

How is it "illegal" when the Israeli Military itself settled them there?

But supporters of the Bedouins view moving as acquiescence to a racist policy. The residents of Umm al-Hiran also say that the land the government has offered them in nearby Houra is already crowded and unsuitable for resettlement.

“This is a fight over our existence,” said Talab Abu Arar, a Bedouin member of Israel’s Parliament.

“The Israeli state sings to the world that it is a democratic state of Arabs and Jews,” he said, but “an Arab resident is prevented from his rights, while Jewish residents are given all their rights and more.”

Hassan Jabareen, chief attorney at the Arab legal rights group Adalah, which is representing the village, said that it was the first time the courts had ordered the evacuation of an entire hamlet, and that the reason for doing so — to build a Jewish community — set a dangerous precedent.

It sounds like they are trying to force them into ever more crowded and impoverished "reservations".

Clinton Bailey, an Israeli scholar who has studied the Bedouins for 45 years, said the military had concentrated them into one part of the Negev. Later, when Israel passed an absentee property law in 1953, Bedouins lost the rights to the land they used to live on, which had already been tenuous because most of them did not have deeds, just tribal acknowledgment of their territories, he said.

The Bedouins are the poorest and fastest-growing group in Israel, partly because of large, polygamous families. Some 70,000 Bedouins live in 35 communities that are off Israel’s planning grid, with no running water, power, roads, health care or education.

A $2 billion plan to resolve the Bedouins’ long-contested ownership claims to lands in the Negev was shelved in December 2013. It would have forced thousands of people to relocate, generally to smaller plots of land in government-built towns.

But Umm al-Hiran is unique among the Bedouin communities, its advocates say, because the Supreme Court acknowledged in its May 5 ruling that the residents were not trespassers. The government leased them land there until the 1980s, according to Adalah, the legal group. And Hiran will be built where Umm al-Hiran lies, suggesting that the government could also provide infrastructure for the Bedouins.

Hiran was part of a 2002 government plan to create several Jewish communities in the Negev to populate the sparse region, particularly contentious border areas like Umm al-Hiran, which is just miles from Israel’s de facto border with the West Bank.

The government said Umm al-Hiran’s residents could purchase plots in the future town, but Mr. Qian said they wanted to stay together as a community. He said they had asked to have their community recognized and to have a Jewish community built alongside theirs, but had received no response.

Again. Bedouin are Israeli citizens, yes? They have the same rights?

Even Hitler stated that islam was the only true way to treat the Jews.

Where did he state that?

The village was built illegally after the Israeli government had started to build them a new village close by, the nomads did not want the new village they just wanted to cause as much disruption as they could for the Israeli's. The village is no different to the many demolished by the US government when built by illegal immigrants and tramps.

They were settled there in 1950. They've been there for 65 years - almost 3 generations. The Israeli's settled them there and no one lived there before them. You don't think they wanted to stay because this was their community and HOME? Why can't the the new village be for them?

Do the Bedouins have the same rights as the Jews?

 

[Phoenall]

Going back to the OT - there is merit to the compliant. From the NYT article linked to in the OT:

...Mr. Qian and the other members of some 70 Bedouin families are likely to be evicted soon from their homes in the hamlet of Umm al-Hiran, where they have been living since the 1950s. In their place, the Israeli government plans to build a community with nearly the same name, Hiran — but its expected residents will be religious, Zionist Jews.

The government says Umm al-Hiran is on state-owned land that it would like to develop, and it has fought a long legal battle to have the Bedouin families, about 1,000 people, relocated. This month, the Supreme Court ruled in a 2-1 decision that the families would have to leave. The court gave no date for when evictions could begin, and residents intend to appeal the decision.

The Bedouins say they do not want to leave land on which they have been living for more than half a century after being resettled there by the Israeli military. The government has promised compensation in the form of cash and land elsewhere, but the Bedouins say the decision to move them reflects discriminatory policies.

The land is "state-owned". They want to develop it. Ok. Why don't they develop it for the residents currently there? After all - the Israeli military settled them there in the first place. Or, why not develop up it to be a mixed community?

The policy certainly seems not only discriminatory but something from another era - like the way we used to "re-locate" Native Americans when we decided we wanted their land or decided their "reservation" was suddenly needed for white Christian expansion so we'd move them to yet another reservation (usually crappier).

For advocates of the future Jewish town of Hiran, the evictions are a matter of law and order.

“We are talking about state-owned lands on which people knowingly built on illegally,” said Liad Aviel, a government spokesman on Bedouins. “These people who built illegally on land that belongs to the state need to get off this land.”

But he added: “The court is very humane. They will not be kicked out of their homes without them having a solution.”

How is it "illegal" when the Israeli Military itself settled them there?

But supporters of the Bedouins view moving as acquiescence to a racist policy. The residents of Umm al-Hiran also say that the land the government has offered them in nearby Houra is already crowded and unsuitable for resettlement.

“This is a fight over our existence,” said Talab Abu Arar, a Bedouin member of Israel’s Parliament.

“The Israeli state sings to the world that it is a democratic state of Arabs and Jews,” he said, but “an Arab resident is prevented from his rights, while Jewish residents are given all their rights and more.”

Hassan Jabareen, chief attorney at the Arab legal rights group Adalah, which is representing the village, said that it was the first time the courts had ordered the evacuation of an entire hamlet, and that the reason for doing so — to build a Jewish community — set a dangerous precedent.

It sounds like they are trying to force them into ever more crowded and impoverished "reservations".

Clinton Bailey, an Israeli scholar who has studied the Bedouins for 45 years, said the military had concentrated them into one part of the Negev. Later, when Israel passed an absentee property law in 1953, Bedouins lost the rights to the land they used to live on, which had already been tenuous because most of them did not have deeds, just tribal acknowledgment of their territories, he said.

The Bedouins are the poorest and fastest-growing group in Israel, partly because of large, polygamous families. Some 70,000 Bedouins live in 35 communities that are off Israel’s planning grid, with no running water, power, roads, health care or education.

A $2 billion plan to resolve the Bedouins’ long-contested ownership claims to lands in the Negev was shelved in December 2013. It would have forced thousands of people to relocate, generally to smaller plots of land in government-built towns.

But Umm al-Hiran is unique among the Bedouin communities, its advocates say, because the Supreme Court acknowledged in its May 5 ruling that the residents were not trespassers. The government leased them land there until the 1980s, according to Adalah, the legal group. And Hiran will be built where Umm al-Hiran lies, suggesting that the government could also provide infrastructure for the Bedouins.

Hiran was part of a 2002 government plan to create several Jewish communities in the Negev to populate the sparse region, particularly contentious border areas like Umm al-Hiran, which is just miles from Israel’s de facto border with the West Bank.

The government said Umm al-Hiran’s residents could purchase plots in the future town, but Mr. Qian said they wanted to stay together as a community. He said they had asked to have their community recognized and to have a Jewish community built alongside theirs, but had received no response.

Again. Bedouin are Israeli citizens, yes? They have the same rights?

Even Hitler stated that islam was the only true way to treat the Jews.

Where did he state that?

The village was built illegally after the Israeli government had started to build them a new village close by, the nomads did not want the new village they just wanted to cause as much disruption as they could for the Israeli's. The village is no different to the many demolished by the US government when built by illegal immigrants and tramps.

They were settled there in 1950. They've been there for 65 years - almost 3 generations. The Israeli's settled them there and no one lived there before them. You don't think they wanted to stay because this was their community and HOME? Why can't the the new village be for them?

Do the Bedouins have the same rights as the Jews?

During a meeting with a delegation of distinguished Arab figures, Hitler learned of how Islam motivated the Umayyad Caliphate during the Islamic invasion of Gaul and was now convinced that "the world would be Mohammedan today" if the Arab regime had successfully taken France during the Battle of Tours,[228] while also suggesting to Speer that "ultimately not Arabs, but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."[228]

In speeches, Hitler made apparently warm references towards Muslim culture such as: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France".[229]

According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[228] Speer also stated that when he was discussing with Hitler events which might have occurred had Islam absorbed Europe:

Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."

— Albert Speer[228]

Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying:

'Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.[230]


Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




They did not build dangerous housing until recently, and the Israeli government has asked them to move many times to the new project built for them.

Yes they have the same rights as Jews, and the same laws to obey. Which is why Jewish illegal buildings are also demolished, but you don't complain about that do you

 

[Roudy]

Hitler started out as a devout Catholic but found that he identified the most with Islam late in life. I wonder why.

 

[Coyote]

Going back to the OT - there is merit to the compliant. From the NYT article linked to in the OT:

...Mr. Qian and the other members of some 70 Bedouin families are likely to be evicted soon from their homes in the hamlet of Umm al-Hiran, where they have been living since the 1950s. In their place, the Israeli government plans to build a community with nearly the same name, Hiran — but its expected residents will be religious, Zionist Jews.

The government says Umm al-Hiran is on state-owned land that it would like to develop, and it has fought a long legal battle to have the Bedouin families, about 1,000 people, relocated. This month, the Supreme Court ruled in a 2-1 decision that the families would have to leave. The court gave no date for when evictions could begin, and residents intend to appeal the decision.

The Bedouins say they do not want to leave land on which they have been living for more than half a century after being resettled there by the Israeli military. The government has promised compensation in the form of cash and land elsewhere, but the Bedouins say the decision to move them reflects discriminatory policies.

The land is "state-owned". They want to develop it. Ok. Why don't they develop it for the residents currently there? After all - the Israeli military settled them there in the first place. Or, why not develop up it to be a mixed community?

The policy certainly seems not only discriminatory but something from another era - like the way we used to "re-locate" Native Americans when we decided we wanted their land or decided their "reservation" was suddenly needed for white Christian expansion so we'd move them to yet another reservation (usually crappier).

For advocates of the future Jewish town of Hiran, the evictions are a matter of law and order.

“We are talking about state-owned lands on which people knowingly built on illegally,” said Liad Aviel, a government spokesman on Bedouins. “These people who built illegally on land that belongs to the state need to get off this land.”

But he added: “The court is very humane. They will not be kicked out of their homes without them having a solution.”

How is it "illegal" when the Israeli Military itself settled them there?

But supporters of the Bedouins view moving as acquiescence to a racist policy. The residents of Umm al-Hiran also say that the land the government has offered them in nearby Houra is already crowded and unsuitable for resettlement.

“This is a fight over our existence,” said Talab Abu Arar, a Bedouin member of Israel’s Parliament.

“The Israeli state sings to the world that it is a democratic state of Arabs and Jews,” he said, but “an Arab resident is prevented from his rights, while Jewish residents are given all their rights and more.”

Hassan Jabareen, chief attorney at the Arab legal rights group Adalah, which is representing the village, said that it was the first time the courts had ordered the evacuation of an entire hamlet, and that the reason for doing so — to build a Jewish community — set a dangerous precedent.

It sounds like they are trying to force them into ever more crowded and impoverished "reservations".

Clinton Bailey, an Israeli scholar who has studied the Bedouins for 45 years, said the military had concentrated them into one part of the Negev. Later, when Israel passed an absentee property law in 1953, Bedouins lost the rights to the land they used to live on, which had already been tenuous because most of them did not have deeds, just tribal acknowledgment of their territories, he said.

The Bedouins are the poorest and fastest-growing group in Israel, partly because of large, polygamous families. Some 70,000 Bedouins live in 35 communities that are off Israel’s planning grid, with no running water, power, roads, health care or education.

A $2 billion plan to resolve the Bedouins’ long-contested ownership claims to lands in the Negev was shelved in December 2013. It would have forced thousands of people to relocate, generally to smaller plots of land in government-built towns.

But Umm al-Hiran is unique among the Bedouin communities, its advocates say, because the Supreme Court acknowledged in its May 5 ruling that the residents were not trespassers. The government leased them land there until the 1980s, according to Adalah, the legal group. And Hiran will be built where Umm al-Hiran lies, suggesting that the government could also provide infrastructure for the Bedouins.

Hiran was part of a 2002 government plan to create several Jewish communities in the Negev to populate the sparse region, particularly contentious border areas like Umm al-Hiran, which is just miles from Israel’s de facto border with the West Bank.

The government said Umm al-Hiran’s residents could purchase plots in the future town, but Mr. Qian said they wanted to stay together as a community. He said they had asked to have their community recognized and to have a Jewish community built alongside theirs, but had received no response.

Again. Bedouin are Israeli citizens, yes? They have the same rights?

Even Hitler stated that islam was the only true way to treat the Jews.

Where did he state that?

The village was built illegally after the Israeli government had started to build them a new village close by, the nomads did not want the new village they just wanted to cause as much disruption as they could for the Israeli's. The village is no different to the many demolished by the US government when built by illegal immigrants and tramps.

They were settled there in 1950. They've been there for 65 years - almost 3 generations. The Israeli's settled them there and no one lived there before them. You don't think they wanted to stay because this was their community and HOME? Why can't the the new village be for them?

Do the Bedouins have the same rights as the Jews?

During a meeting with a delegation of distinguished Arab figures, Hitler learned of how Islam motivated the Umayyad Caliphate during the Islamic invasion of Gaul and was now convinced that "the world would be Mohammedan today" if the Arab regime had successfully taken France during the Battle of Tours,[228] while also suggesting to Speer that "ultimately not Arabs, but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."[228]

In speeches, Hitler made apparently warm references towards Muslim culture such as: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France".[229]

According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[228] Speer also stated that when he was discussing with Hitler events which might have occurred had Islam absorbed Europe:

Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."

— Albert Speer[228]

Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying:

'Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.[230]


Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Non of that comes anywhere close to "Even Hitler stated that islam was the only true way to treat the Jews." Hitler admired Muslims because he felt they were a warrior race.

They did not build dangerous housing until recently, and the Israeli government has asked them to move many times to the new project built for them.

Why did they have to move? Why not build them new housing WHERE THEY WERE? Sounds like what was done to the Native Americans no? Move them to ever crappier bits of land, build them substandard housing projects and call it an improvement - just don't let them stay in the same community.

Yes they have the same rights as Jews, and the same laws to obey. Which is why Jewish illegal buildings are also demolished, but you don't complain about that do you

If they have the same rights why are they being forced to move, and why is a new community being built for Jews only?


how many arab communities have been demolished?
how many jewish communities have been demolished?
how many illegal jewish communities have been ignored and eventually supplied with infrastructure?
how many illegal Arab communities have been ignored and eventually supplied with infrastructure?
why do the Beduoins have to give up the community of 60 years, that was legal when the Israeli army settled them there - just so Jewish settlers get to move take it over?

 

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UN officials urge Israel to halt Bedouin transfer plans

In a joint press release Wednesday, the Humanitarian Coordinator for the occupied Palestinian territory, James W. Rawley, and the Director of UNRWA Operations West Bank, Felipe Sanchez, expressed their "grave concern" about the proposed expulsions.

According to Rawley, "Israeli practices in Area C, including a marked increase of demolitions and confiscations of donor-funded structures in the first quarter of 2015, have compounded an already untenable situation for Bedouin communities."

46 Palestinian Bedouin communities – some 7,000 people – are slated for transfer to three proposed "relocation" sites. In March, the UN Secretary-General expressed concern that the plans "may also be connected with settlement expansion", and noted that "forcible transfer" is "a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention."

The UN agencies contextualise the threatened expulsions with a "backdrop of a discriminatory zoning and planning regime that facilitates the development of illegal Israeli settlements at the expense of Palestinians, for whom it is almost impossible to obtain permits for construction."

HRW denounces Israel expulsion of Bedouins Palestinians - Yahoo News "In the West Bank, Israeli authorities approved less than six percent of Palestinian building permit requests between 2000 and 2012, HRW said."

Demolition and Eviction of Bedouin Citizens of Israel in the Naqab Negev - The Prawer Plan - Adalah

Arab Bedouin citizens of Israel, inhabitants of the Naqab (Negev) desert since the seventh century, are the most vulnerable community in Israel. For over 60 years, the indigenous Arab Bedouin have faced a State policy of displacement, home demolitions and dispossession of their ancestral land. Today, 70,000 Arab Bedouin citizens live in 35 villages that, which either predate the establishment of the State in 1948, or were created by Israeli military order in the early 1950s. The State of Israel considers the villages “unrecognized” and the inhabitants “trespassers on State land,” so it denies these citizens access to State infrastructure like water, electricity, sewage, education, health care and roads. The State deliberately withholds basic services from these villages to “encourage” the Arab Bedouin citizens to give up their ancestral land.

 

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Another article with another point of view:

http://www.newsweek.com/israels-desert-ghetto-243674

Roughly 63 percent of those previously "unrecognized" villages would receive official status under the plan. Over the next five years the central government would spend more than $300 million to provide those communities for the first time with schools, medical centers, paved streets and public utilities. The 37 percent would become state land, the homes marked for demolition and their inhabitants relocated to authorized villages. All those who agreed would receive compensation of up to $25,000 for their former dwelling places and as much as $12,500 for moving.

On top of that, the bill would help dispossessed Bedouin get payment for land that has been seized by the government. Currently more than 13,000 Negev land claims are pending. The bill's supporters contend that it will bring order to the desert, clean up the fetid shantytowns, and bring better lives to the Bedouin. "We cannot supply services to every unauthorized cluster in the desert," says Yossi Maymon of the government's Authority for the Regulating of Bedouin Settlements in the Negev. Every land claim would be settled automatically for half the stated price, no questions asked.

...

More than 40 years ago the warrior-politician Moshe Dayan laid out his vision for the Negev's inhabitants. "We must turn the Bedouin into urban laborers," he urged. "It means that the Bedouin will no longer live on his land with his flocks but will become an urbanite who comes home in the afternoon and puts his slippers on. His children will get used to a father who wears pants, without a dagger, and who does not pick out their nits in public. They will go to school, their hair combed and parted. This will be a revolution, but it can be achieved in two generations. Not by coercion but with direction from the state. This reality that is known as the Bedouin will disappear."

But all these decades later, the Bedouin still refuse to be obliterated. Marouf Saleh is one of the 1,500 or so inhabitants of Al Sir, an unrecognized shantytown within sight of Beer Sheva's skyline. The government's plan is to move Al Sir's people just a few miles away, to a town where Saleh's children already attend school and receive medical care. He glances around at the squalid corrugated-metal shacks of Al Sir. "We don't want to live like this," he says. "We want to build proper kinds of buildings on this land. But I would sleep outside just to keep this land. We're not leaving."

Not so simple a problem. I can understand the difficulty with providing infrastructure to every little community and shanty town. But I also understand the feeling of dispossession and loss of tribal lands these Beduoin must feel. And in the particular case of the OP - it's not a question of infrastructure. They will be moving a new group of people in after they force the Bedouin out. That just isn't right.

 

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Going back to the OT - there is merit to the compliant. From the NYT article linked to in the OT:

...Mr. Qian and the other members of some 70 Bedouin families are likely to be evicted soon from their homes in the hamlet of Umm al-Hiran, where they have been living since the 1950s. In their place, the Israeli government plans to build a community with nearly the same name, Hiran — but its expected residents will be religious, Zionist Jews.

The government says Umm al-Hiran is on state-owned land that it would like to develop, and it has fought a long legal battle to have the Bedouin families, about 1,000 people, relocated. This month, the Supreme Court ruled in a 2-1 decision that the families would have to leave. The court gave no date for when evictions could begin, and residents intend to appeal the decision.

The Bedouins say they do not want to leave land on which they have been living for more than half a century after being resettled there by the Israeli military. The government has promised compensation in the form of cash and land elsewhere, but the Bedouins say the decision to move them reflects discriminatory policies.

The land is "state-owned". They want to develop it. Ok. Why don't they develop it for the residents currently there? After all - the Israeli military settled them there in the first place. Or, why not develop up it to be a mixed community?

The policy certainly seems not only discriminatory but something from another era - like the way we used to "re-locate" Native Americans when we decided we wanted their land or decided their "reservation" was suddenly needed for white Christian expansion so we'd move them to yet another reservation (usually crappier).

For advocates of the future Jewish town of Hiran, the evictions are a matter of law and order.

“We are talking about state-owned lands on which people knowingly built on illegally,” said Liad Aviel, a government spokesman on Bedouins. “These people who built illegally on land that belongs to the state need to get off this land.”

But he added: “The court is very humane. They will not be kicked out of their homes without them having a solution.”

How is it "illegal" when the Israeli Military itself settled them there?

But supporters of the Bedouins view moving as acquiescence to a racist policy. The residents of Umm al-Hiran also say that the land the government has offered them in nearby Houra is already crowded and unsuitable for resettlement.

“This is a fight over our existence,” said Talab Abu Arar, a Bedouin member of Israel’s Parliament.

“The Israeli state sings to the world that it is a democratic state of Arabs and Jews,” he said, but “an Arab resident is prevented from his rights, while Jewish residents are given all their rights and more.”

Hassan Jabareen, chief attorney at the Arab legal rights group Adalah, which is representing the village, said that it was the first time the courts had ordered the evacuation of an entire hamlet, and that the reason for doing so — to build a Jewish community — set a dangerous precedent.

It sounds like they are trying to force them into ever more crowded and impoverished "reservations".

Clinton Bailey, an Israeli scholar who has studied the Bedouins for 45 years, said the military had concentrated them into one part of the Negev. Later, when Israel passed an absentee property law in 1953, Bedouins lost the rights to the land they used to live on, which had already been tenuous because most of them did not have deeds, just tribal acknowledgment of their territories, he said.

The Bedouins are the poorest and fastest-growing group in Israel, partly because of large, polygamous families. Some 70,000 Bedouins live in 35 communities that are off Israel’s planning grid, with no running water, power, roads, health care or education.

A $2 billion plan to resolve the Bedouins’ long-contested ownership claims to lands in the Negev was shelved in December 2013. It would have forced thousands of people to relocate, generally to smaller plots of land in government-built towns.

But Umm al-Hiran is unique among the Bedouin communities, its advocates say, because the Supreme Court acknowledged in its May 5 ruling that the residents were not trespassers. The government leased them land there until the 1980s, according to Adalah, the legal group. And Hiran will be built where Umm al-Hiran lies, suggesting that the government could also provide infrastructure for the Bedouins.

Hiran was part of a 2002 government plan to create several Jewish communities in the Negev to populate the sparse region, particularly contentious border areas like Umm al-Hiran, which is just miles from Israel’s de facto border with the West Bank.

The government said Umm al-Hiran’s residents could purchase plots in the future town, but Mr. Qian said they wanted to stay together as a community. He said they had asked to have their community recognized and to have a Jewish community built alongside theirs, but had received no response.

Again. Bedouin are Israeli citizens, yes? They have the same rights?

Even Hitler stated that islam was the only true way to treat the Jews.

Where did he state that?

The village was built illegally after the Israeli government had started to build them a new village close by, the nomads did not want the new village they just wanted to cause as much disruption as they could for the Israeli's. The village is no different to the many demolished by the US government when built by illegal immigrants and tramps.

They were settled there in 1950. They've been there for 65 years - almost 3 generations. The Israeli's settled them there and no one lived there before them. You don't think they wanted to stay because this was their community and HOME? Why can't the the new village be for them?

Do the Bedouins have the same rights as the Jews?

During a meeting with a delegation of distinguished Arab figures, Hitler learned of how Islam motivated the Umayyad Caliphate during the Islamic invasion of Gaul and was now convinced that "the world would be Mohammedan today" if the Arab regime had successfully taken France during the Battle of Tours,[228] while also suggesting to Speer that "ultimately not Arabs, but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."[228]

In speeches, Hitler made apparently warm references towards Muslim culture such as: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France".[229]

According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[228] Speer also stated that when he was discussing with Hitler events which might have occurred had Islam absorbed Europe:

Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."

— Albert Speer[228]

Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying:

'Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.[230]


Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Non of that comes anywhere close to "Even Hitler stated that islam was the only true way to treat the Jews." Hitler admired Muslims because he felt they were a warrior race.

They did not build dangerous housing until recently, and the Israeli government has asked them to move many times to the new project built for them.

Why did they have to move? Why not build them new housing WHERE THEY WERE? Sounds like what was done to the Native Americans no? Move them to ever crappier bits of land, build them substandard housing projects and call it an improvement - just don't let them stay in the same community.

Yes they have the same rights as Jews, and the same laws to obey. Which is why Jewish illegal buildings are also demolished, but you don't complain about that do you

If they have the same rights why are they being forced to move, and why is a new community being built for Jews only?


how many arab communities have been demolished?
how many jewish communities have been demolished?
how many illegal jewish communities have been ignored and eventually supplied with infrastructure?
how many illegal Arab communities have been ignored and eventually supplied with infrastructure?
why do the Beduoins have to give up the community of 60 years, that was legal when the Israeli army settled them there - just so Jewish settlers get to move take it over?

Because that land was earmarked for something else, and that is when the Bedouins started to build permanent structures. It is all part of the arab muslim game to demonise the Jews by false information and propaganda. They stopped at that place every time they crossed that part of the Negev, so they altered that to say they had lived there for 50 years. It is not all as cut and dried as you make it out, and they were never legal..

Why don't you look for the information from unbiased sources and let me know, I don't have the time to trawl the internet at the moment due to hospital/doctor/clinic appointments due to deteriorating health.