Roudy
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Yes, the Ottomans controled Mecca and Medina, in ARABIA. Having problems reading maps now, you ignorant asswipe? Go crawl back in your hole.
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saigon---it seems to me---based on my extensive
erudition-----that that which is called SAUDI ARABIA---
was a big----out there place upon which the Ottomans
did not have full control and local jerks were into
tribal warfare----but the Ottomans did believe
they owned it all -----lock stock and barrel---until
some even bigger local jerks managed to lay
even bigger than local claims---in the
19th and 20th centuries ----vaguely. Even the
moghul empire was not fully MOGHUL
controlled. Prior to the internet----lots of
local stuff happened. At one time---Lower
Manhattan was controlled by TAMMANY HALL
erudition-----that that which is called SAUDI ARABIA---
was a big----out there place upon which the Ottomans
did not have full control and local jerks were into
tribal warfare----but the Ottomans did believe
they owned it all -----lock stock and barrel---until
some even bigger local jerks managed to lay
even bigger than local claims---in the
19th and 20th centuries ----vaguely. Even the
moghul empire was not fully MOGHUL
controlled. Prior to the internet----lots of
local stuff happened. At one time---Lower
Manhattan was controlled by TAMMANY HALL
One can gain a good perspective of saudi arabia ----
by noting the career and personality of Omar
Sharif-----in the true history of saudi arabia as
depicted in the educational documentary titled
"LAWRENCE OF ARABIA" good theme
music too-----real GENUINE SAUDI SCORE
by noting the career and personality of Omar
Sharif-----in the true history of saudi arabia as
depicted in the educational documentary titled
"LAWRENCE OF ARABIA" good theme
music too-----real GENUINE SAUDI SCORE
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So many examples, someone should write a book on it. My personal favorite example of Palestinian mentality was back in 1970. While king Hussein & Yasar Arafat were signing peace agreements, the Palestinians highjacked a TWA & KLM airliner & land them in Amman. King Hussein was not too pleased with this. Oh well, no problem. Black September established a lasting peace between Jordan & the Palestinians.
Saigon, if I were you, I would just give up with that topic. You know very little and you just keep making a fool out of yourself
Are you saying Israel expelled 700 000 Palis ?
Saigon
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Roudy -
That's ok - I hadn't for a moment expected you to admit that you were wrong. You aren't a strong enough for poster for that.
The Ottoman Empire NEVER controlled the Saudi Interior, and had only scant control over much of the coast and desert areas in what is now Eastern Jordan, as we know from Lawrence of Arabia's notes. Well, you don't know - but people interested in the topic will.
That's ok - I hadn't for a moment expected you to admit that you were wrong. You aren't a strong enough for poster for that.
The Ottoman Empire NEVER controlled the Saudi Interior, and had only scant control over much of the coast and desert areas in what is now Eastern Jordan, as we know from Lawrence of Arabia's notes. Well, you don't know - but people interested in the topic will.
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What you said is you believe in lies and you want to convince others of it. Yeah.
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INTERIOR?! AS IN DESERT?! Shadap you fuckwad piece of shit ignorant liar, even after I slap you in the face with the truth that the Ottomans controlled Islams two holiest sites In ARABIA, Mecca and Medina, and its coast, BASICALLY, WHAT COUNTS, you insist on regurgitating your vomit and boradcasting your stupidity to the whole world.
Seriously, go **** yourself, you low class asswipe. You are a big waste of time. Go play with your racist friends on Stromfront.
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Saigon
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Roudy -
I also know that you understand that you are wrong when you melt down into mindless abuse. Do carry on.
I also know that you understand that you are wrong when you melt down into mindless abuse. Do carry on.
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You understand jackshit. You claimed the Ottomans did not control Arabia, now that I made made you eat our own arrogant shit, you resort to childish word games. At some point you have to face the reality that you are nothing but a lying ignorant scum.
Saigon
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Yes, which is true, of course.
As any schoolboy knows, the Ottoman Empire never controled more than perhaps 20% of what is now Saudi Arabia, and only controled parts of what is now Eastern Jordan (e.g. Wadi Rum) on paper. Deals with local tribesmen were acts of conveniance at best, and only existed at all because of the absence of any legitimate challenge.
You probably wouldn't be familiar with Lawrence of Arabia, but his bio (not to mention the sublime David Lean film) are worth checking out for anyone actually interested in the topic. Wadi Rum is also a wonderful place to visit.
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Lawrence-Arabia-Capo-Paperback-Liddell/dp/0306803542]Lawrence Of Arabia (Da Capo Paperback): B. H. Liddell Hart: 9780306803543: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]
try again saigon----- "OTTOMANS DID NOT CONTROL" ---does
not mean that arabia was not part of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE ----
it means that large parts of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE----were
under local control some thing happened in the MOGHUL
EMPIRE ------lots of local autonomous control------its the way
it is in fifth world large empires and before al gore invented
the internet. ------I read the book and saw the movie------
and I do consider that sort of "art" very helpful in learning
history------but you need a bit more than the entertainment
since you brought it up----arabs of palestine were very
annoyed with the----OTTOMAN CONTROL which was
in conflict with LOCAL ISLAMIC CHIEFTAIN control
---especially that mitigation of the shariah stuff that
created the possbility for JOOOOOS to buy land,<<<
just saying----since you brought it up. Of course in
arabia----OTTOMAN INPUT was a bit more
difficult since arabia was an entirely tribal thing
Saigon
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iRosie -
We seem to be in basic agreement here - what we are talking about in Arabia was essentially local control.
I am not sure why you do not consider 'Lawrence' useful for learning history - it is history. Like many people, I went to Wadi Rum and stayed in the desert to get a sense of what Lawrence lived with after I read the book and saw the film. It's an extraordinary experience, and I can't recommend it highly enough.
And yes- Palestinians fought against Ottoman control, and in doing so established very clearly that Palestinians saw themselves as quite a seperate entity from the Ottomans - I am delighted that you can admit that.
We seem to be in basic agreement here - what we are talking about in Arabia was essentially local control.
I am not sure why you do not consider 'Lawrence' useful for learning history - it is history. Like many people, I went to Wadi Rum and stayed in the desert to get a sense of what Lawrence lived with after I read the book and saw the film. It's an extraordinary experience, and I can't recommend it highly enough.
And yes- Palestinians fought against Ottoman control, and in doing so established very clearly that Palestinians saw themselves as quite a seperate entity from the Ottomans - I am delighted that you can admit that.
I did not suggest at ALL that reading lawrence or watching the movie is
not useful------we are not AT ALL IN "COMPLETE" agreement The
MUSLIMS LIVING IN PALESTINE ---fought OTTOMAN CONTROL not
because they were "palestinians"------but because they were
ARAB MUSLIMS. your hope to establish an "PALESTINIAN IDENTITY"
is utter nonsense. -----the identity that the muslims of palestine had
OPPOSING THE TURKS was "ARAB MUSLIM" vs "TURK" in the
overall sense-----and LOCAL 'arab muslim' control-----in the local
sense. Arab muslims hated the Ottomans
AS ARAB MUSLIMS<<<their identity
Saigon
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And yet we also know they fought against other Arab Muslims.
"The 1834 Arab revolt in Palestine, also known as the Arab Peasants revolt, was a reaction to conscription into the Egyptian army by the Wāli Muhammad Ali. Ali, as a part of a modernisation policy, began the conscription of ordinary subjects. "
1834 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LOL so? of course they fought against "other arab muslims" ---so
did the saudi muslims fight tribe against tribe -----they STILL DID
NOT HAVE AN IDENTITY CALLED "PALESTINIAN". Their identity
was "I AM ARAB MUSLIM---SHAYKH ABDUL SCHMUCK IS MY LEADER--
--------I really don't care that some people call this place "palestine" ----
I care about my cousins and I hate those other arabs over there unless
shayck abdul schmuck forms an alliance ----then they are my instant
"BROTHERS" and the turks are still dirt " now you got it?
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