Let’s assume Trump declares victory then leaves

[CrusaderFrank]

Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

 

[JLW]

Trump put this nation in a no-win situation. If he pulls out and declares victory, Iran will claim victory and they will be stronger than ever as they rebuild; if Trump continues the war, Americans will die for this senseless war and this war will drag on for years. To win this war, it will require at least 500,000 to a 1 million troops. Iran is a nation 1/3 the size of the US with 90 million people. This war was pure idiocy.

The US needs to pull out, let the chips fall where they may and let the rest of the world clean up his mess. US credibility is shot.

 

[EMH]

Let ISRAEL fight ISRAEL's wars.

 

[task0778]

Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

My take:

Iran has been 2 weeks away forever, and if Trump leaves then nothing really changed. american military people died and for what?

Whose going to pay for rebuilding? everybody, thorught he higher price of oil. OPEC oil, which raises the price for all oil.

Rebuild Gaza? I can see a democrat president doing that, but not a republican. Rebuild Tel Aviv? Not seeing that.

Iran could reach a ceasefire with Israel long enough to replenish their drones and bombs, mines and torpedoes.


When Trump escalated this war, IMHO he seriously underestimated Iran's ability to retaliate. IOW, he didn't think it through. Should I believe he saw all this coming? Nah. New leaders with the same ideology replaced the dead ones, and nothing changed over there. Nor will it until boots are on the ground there like in Iraq. Lotsa boots, which ain't gonna be popular hereabouts.

 

[Darkwind]

The only nation on fire is Iran.

So, you guys are all good if the UAE, the Sauds, Qutar and the rest supporting Trump going beyond the 60 day window and just pounding Iran until they have no will left at all.

You're all good with that, right?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

Why assume the US will leave without achieving its goals, ending all enrichment permanently, preventing Iran from producing any missiles other than short range defensive missiles, preventing Iran from supporting its terrorist proxies?

Iran may have been two weeks away from acquiring enough fissile material to build a bomb before the war, but it is unclear that Iran still has the ability to enrich its 60% uranium to weapons grade.

The US is welcome everywhere in the Gulf countries, especially now that Iran has been bombing them all, and no one paid the US billions to protect them.

Why would Americans have pay to rebuild Gaza or Tel Aviv?

AI Overview



Iran might seek a ceasefire with Israel due to severe military weakening, including significant losses in missiles, infrastructure, and leadership. A pause allows Iran to prevent further degradation of its military, rebuild its capabilities, avoid a direct, devastating confrontation with Israel and the U.S., and manage severe internal economic and political pressure. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Key reasons for a potential ceasefire include:

• Preventing Total Military Degradation: Israel has decimated key Iranian assets, including missile launchers, weapons production sites, and air defenses, necessitating a halt to prevent total incapacity.
• Protecting the Nuclear Program: Intense strikes have damaged Iran's nuclear enrichment abilities and infrastructure, creating a need to pause for survival.
• Severe Leadership Losses: Israel has killed dozens of senior Iranian military and leadership figures, creating a power vacuum and disrupting operational command.
• Proxy Weakness: The degradation of proxies like Hezbollah leaves Iran more exposed, requiring a pause to re-arm.
• Economic Pressure: The destruction of infrastructure and continued economic pressure from regional instability creates a need to stabilize the regime internally.
• Strategic Rebuilding: Iran often uses pauses in fighting to rearm and re-strategize, rather than as a step towards permanent peace. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The real question is, why would Israel agree to a ceasefire with Iran?

 

[MisterBeale]

american military people died and for what?

This is the biggest danger we face right now. It is the reason why, when planners realized that there was no way to achieve a strategic victory in 'Nam, they STILL continued sending Americans over to a lost cause.

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The sunk cost fallacy is the tendency for people to continue an endeavor or course of action even when abandoning it would be more beneficial. Because we

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[rightwinger]

Trump put this nation in a no-win situation. If he pulls out and declares victory, Iran will claim victory and they will be stronger than ever as they rebuild; if Trump continues the war, Americans will die for this senseless war and this war will drag on for years. To win this war, it will require at least 500,000 to a 1 million troops. Iran is a nation 1/3 the size of the US with 90 million people. This war was pure idiocy.

Iran still has nuclear material
Iran still has Islamic leadership
Iran still has missiles and drones
The Strait of Hormuz is still closed

How is that “mission accomplished”?

 

[JLW]

Iran still has nuclear material
Iran still has Islamic leadership
Iran still has missiles and drones
The Strait of Hormuz is still closed

How is that “mission accomplished”?

It is not. Only the MAGA cult will think it is mission accomplished.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Let ISRAEL fight ISRAEL's wars.

Good idea. I rarely agree with you or the dumocraps, but this is wise advice. My suggestion to Trump is to protect our border and just let the rest of the world fight it out until they are all dead. Then the planet is ours.

 

[luiza]

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

Not looking good for Israel and the US Zionists .
Possibly neither of them are used to winning and cannot handle being battered by the Cheeky Chappy Freedom Fighters .

You have got to hand it to the Iranians -- they are humiliating the bullies .

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump put this nation in a no-win situation. If he pulls out and declares victory, Iran will claim victory and they will be stronger than ever as they rebuild; if Trump continues the war, Americans will die for this senseless war and this war will drag on for years. To win this war, it will require at least 500,000 to a 1 million troops. Iran is a nation 1/3 the size of the US with 90 million people. This war was pure idiocy.

The US needs to pull out, let the chips fall where they may and let the rest of the world clean up his mess. US credibility is shot.

The only thing that makes sense is Trump needs to lose the midterms so he can try to blame the come calamity on someone other than himself.

This is the fourth ******* time now the Gang that bombs Girls schools is attacking close to Irans nuclear reactor

 

[CrusaderFrank]

My take:

Iran has been 2 weeks away forever, and if Trump leaves then nothing really changed. american military people died and for what?

Whose going to pay for rebuilding? everybody, thorught he higher price of oil. OPEC oil, which raises the price for all oil.

Rebuild Gaza? I can see a democrat president doing that, but not a republican. Rebuild Tel Aviv? Not seeing that.

Iran could reach a ceasefire with Israel long enough to replenish their drones and bombs, mines and torpedoes.


When Trump escalated this war, IMHO he seriously underestimated Iran's ability to retaliate. IOW, he didn't think it through. Should I believe he saw all this coming? Nah. New leaders with the same ideology replaced the dead ones, and nothing changed over there. Nor will it until boots are on the ground there like in Iraq. Lotsa boots, which ain't gonna be popular hereabouts.

Honestly, after killing the leadership and negotiating team (twice) what would Iran need for a ceasefire? Who can they talk to? Qatar? Any GCC? Jared’s father in law?

Bibi’s been warned by China and Pakistan that using a nuke is the last thing they’ll ever do as a nation

I can’t figure that out

 

[task0778]

Honestly, after killing the leadership and negotiating team (twice) what would Iran need for a ceasefire?

These are not normal we're talking about here. These guys want to be martyred in the name of Allah, and any Iranian lives lost in the conflict is the Will of God. This has the feel of Afghanistan 2.0, and I don't see regime change as even remotely possible. They don't care if the lights go out and their people got no heat or AC and nothing to eat. IOW, they ain't rational people. I'd love to be wrong and see Iran turn into a country that at least does not export terrorism. But I don't see that happening.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

You are right on.

 

[kyzr]

Iran still has nuclear material

But its buried under Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan thanks to Operation Midnight Hammer.

Iran still has Islamic leadership

Maybe, if the son is still alive, otherwise it just might be the IRGC calling the shots

Iran still has missiles and drones

Yeah, but much fewer

The Strait of Hormuz is still closed

Yeah, but if its not open soon things get real ugly

How is that “mission accomplished”?

It isn't, not yet, the "war" is only going on a month, keep watching and rooting for Iran and their nuclear program.

 

[skye]

Let ISRAEL fight ISRAEL's wars.

Ah...if pigs could fly...

 

[candycorn]

Why assume the US will leave without achieving its goals, ending all enrichment permanently, preventing Iran from producing any missiles other than short range defensive missiles, preventing Iran from supporting its terrorist proxies?

Because such goals are unattainable without sustained boots on the ground and the blob doesn't like having to deliver bad news.

Iran may have been two weeks away from acquiring enough fissile material to build a bomb before the war, but it is unclear that Iran still has the ability to enrich its 60% uranium to weapons grade.

Well in the last "obliteration" it took them less than 7 months to be possibly "two weeks away". If/when we leave, they'll apparently always be 7 months away from allegedly posing a threat to the world if you believe the blob.

The US is welcome everywhere in the Gulf countries, especially now that Iran has been bombing them all, and no one paid the US billions to protect them.

LOL...sure. Go with that.

Why would Americans have pay to rebuild Gaza or Tel Aviv?

We don't have to.

But we're going to.

Billions approved by Congress for rebuilding that go to contractors who originate out of nowhere.
Custer Battles
Blackwater
and my favorite AEY whose CEO was a teenager.

Public money ending up in private hands. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[Tyrion234]

Not looking good for Israel and the US Zionists .
Possibly neither of them are used to winning and cannot handle being battered by the Cheeky Chappy Freedom Fighters .

You have got to hand it to the Iranians -- they are humiliating the bullies .

You might be the most retarded ****** I’ve ever heard of, congrats here’s your trophy

 

[BackAgain]

Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

I could be wrong, I suppose. But it seems to me that if nation “U” starts a vigorous fight against nation “I,” and nation “I” responds by lobbing missiles at non-participating neighboring states, it is nation “I” which owes those neighboring nations.

And why on Earth would the United States assume any burden for rebuilding ($$$) Gaza? That shit is also the responsibility of Iran.

On a related note, if President Trump does elect to end these hostilities with Iran, it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the Islamofascist regime has had its nuclear weapons ambitions obliterated.

Nothing would prevent us from later doing it to them all over again if they seek to start up those efforts again. Well, nothing except a liberal Democrap administration.

You know. Some incompetent like former Presidents Obumbler or Potato. And since the Democrap Parody never learns from its mistakes, it could be worse. It could be Kamalalala or Newscum.