wealth is unethical. everyone should make the same universal income

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I'm a bit ashamed to admit it, but when I was in high school, I was somewhat indoctrinated and told my dad that if someone is successful, it just takes things from those who are not. My dad was a tough, tough man, and he gave me a look that gives me chills to this day. I thought he was going to put his boot clear through me. He promptly explained how that was utter bullshit, and I saw the light. Kids need tough parents who work for a living to set them straight.

That was probably the best thing your father could have done for you. If he did nothing else as a parent, that act alone made his parenting tenure a success.

 

[easyt65]

But the few Republicans I watch on TV hate gays.

...says the guy whose party was busted for racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic e-mails when theirs personal e-mails were hacked and released....

They think millions losing their healthcare is a good thing.

...yet it was Obama who lied to and misled Americans about Obamacare (it will pay for itself, won't cost a dime, and if you like your plan you can keep your plan...)

...yet it was the Democrats who rammed a minority-supported Socialist piece of legislation down the throats of the majority of Americans who did not want it, legislation that effectively ended / destroyed the existing health care system and replacing it with their Socialist System that was based on lies and violations of the Constitution

They think clean air and clean water is too expensive.

They want to cut taxes on billionaires.

Democrats believe that poor people own businesses, create jobs and hire others...as the headline of today's news today shows, Democrats would rather give billions of tax dollars in Reparations for slavery (that has not existed since 1865) to people who were never slaves than to actually spend money to create jobs.

Obama and the Democrats attempted to pass a 'Jobs Bill'...the legislation cost $1 Trillion dollars, contained over 7,000 pieces of Democrat-benefitting pork, and in the end the Govt Report said the cost of each job actually created was $774,000 PER JOB. Bwuhahaha......

They think we spend too much on job training for veterans and want to cut school lunches for poor children.

Democrats, as seen, would rather NOT spend money on job training for Vets - they would rather let them die waiting for treatment at shitty, poorly Democrat-run VA clinics.....and they would rather let millions of dollars in school lunches be dumped in trash cans every year because the kids refuse to eat the slop Michele Obama tried to force them to eat.

How do we know Republicans want these things?

Because dumbass snowflakes say so....

Bwuhahahaha....

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

agree

Why are corporations entitled to a fifty percent tax cut and the rest of us aren’t?

That's the wrong question.

The right question is, "why is government unequivocally entitled to their earnings?"

The evil Inside of me literally aches for the death penalty for anyone who thinks about income and taxation the way you do.

Government, with its taxing authority, exists by the consent of the governed. Your attitude justifies revocation of that consent with deadly force.

I am quite justified in saying, IT IS NOT YOU ******* MONEY, YOU WORTHLESS, FREELOADING SHIT!!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who in turn should move on.
If you dont work to better your situation you have no one to blame but yourself.

That’s the point

That ladder to success is no longer there. Low skilled labor used to move towards manufacturing or maybe a union job where they could support a family. Those jobs have disappeared.

Yea you can enter a minimum wage job and maybe move up to ten bucks an hour. But the track to twenty dollar an hour jobs is not there

Especially when you feel the company "owes" you anything...dumbass.

Especially when they just got a fifty percent tax cut

Sad life when someone feels they are entitled.

I agree

Why are corporations entitled to a fifty percent tax cut and the rest of us aren’t?

Why are corporations entitled to a fifty percent tax cut and the rest of us aren’t?

They got a 40% cut.
The corporate rate is 21%, down from 35% last year. Down from 46% in 1980.
The top individual rate is 37%, down from 39.6% last year. Down from 70% in 1980.

 

[Markle]

Who in turn should move on.
If you dont work to better your situation you have no one to blame but yourself.

That’s the point

That ladder to success is no longer there. Low skilled labor used to move towards manufacturing or maybe a union job where they could support a family. Those jobs have disappeared.

Yea you can enter a minimum wage job and maybe move up to ten bucks an hour. But the track to twenty dollar an hour jobs is not there

Especially when you feel the company "owes" you anything...dumbass.

Especially when they just got a fifty percent tax cut

Sad life when someone feels they are entitled.

I agree

Why are corporations entitled to a fifty percent tax cut and the rest of us aren’t?

Because we had the highest corporate tax rate in the world and how did that work for us? What was the motivation for a corporation to bring money they earned in other countries to pay more in taxes to bring it to the United States? Would you?

 

[Markle]

I'm a bit ashamed to admit it, but when I was in high school, I was somewhat indoctrinated and told my dad that if someone is successful, it just takes things from those who are not. My dad was a tough, tough man, and he gave me a look that gives me chills to this day. I thought he was going to put his boot clear through me. He promptly explained how that was utter bullshit, and I saw the light. Kids need tough parents who work for a living to set them straight.

That was probably the best thing your father could have done for you. If he did nothing else as a parent, that act alone made his parenting tenure a success.

I never thought about it. When I was about 10, the cool kids at school wore plaid, Madras shirts. They also had that little loop on the back. My shirts were cheaper, were not plaid Madras and did not have the loop. I asked Mom who said to ask my Ol' Man. I mustered up the courage and asked the Ol' Man. Sure he said, get a job and buy however many you want.

So, I checked around and discovered I could deliver the Miami News, an afternoon paper and make 1 1/2 cents per paper, I think the Sunday edition was more and delivered in the early morning. A month or so later, I proudly wore MY Madras shirt to school.

 

[Leo123]

What kind of bundle mixed mortgages with high risk instruments?

Only in retrospect were they called 'high risk instruments' in order to shift the blame from Democrats to the so-called 'rich.' Those instruments had the full backing of Fannie Mae because of the affordable housing programs set up by DEMOCRATIC representative Barney Frank and his butt-buddy Herb Moses.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What kind of bundle mixed mortgages with high risk instruments?

Only in retrospect were they called 'high risk instruments' in order to shift the blame from Democrats to the so-called 'rich.' Those instruments had the full backing of Fannie Mae because of the affordable housing programs set up by DEMOCRATIC representative Barney Frank and his butt-buddy Herb Moses.

He could have meant private label securities........

 

[SmokeALib]

Who in turn should move on.
If you dont work to better your situation you have no one to blame but yourself.

That’s the point

That ladder to success is no longer there. Low skilled labor used to move towards manufacturing or maybe a union job where they could support a family. Those jobs have disappeared.

Yea you can enter a minimum wage job and maybe move up to ten bucks an hour. But the track to twenty dollar an hour jobs is not there

Especially when you feel the company "owes" you anything...dumbass.

Especially when they just got a fifty percent tax cut

Sad life when someone feels they are entitled.

I agree

Why are corporations entitled to a fifty percent tax cut and the rest of us aren’t?

Why are corporations taxed at all? Any corporation that employs taxpayers is by definition already doing good their part in feeding the fed.

 

[Leo123]

He could have meant private label securities........

Investor stupidity is no excuse for the flagrant violation of traditional lending practices perpetrated the Democrats.

 

[Darkwind]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

Yes, but wealth is not unethical. Wealth generated by paying your employees so little they need foodstamps to feed themselves even though they have a full time job is though. So is wealth generated by price gouging on necessities like medical care or medicine.

There is nothing unethical about pricing the cost of labor and paying accordingly.

Except that they aren't. If it wasn't for SNAP programs corporate America would be low on workers because they all starved to death.

That simply isn't true and I would find any proof or study you have to defend such a statement.

Every job has a value that is provided to the company. That is the value that the company will pay for those services.

If you are pushing a broom, the value of that labor is roughly blocked at minimum wage. It is a good opportunity for a 16,17,18 year old kid who needs money for video games or maybe cash to save for a car, and after that, gas to get around with their friends. If the kid has parents worth anything, they will have taught him at a younger age to save a portion of that money for something worthwhile. Such as an education.

If you are a 30-something working for minimum wage and have been all your adult life, the problem isn't how a company values the labor they need, the problem is that you're a ******* loser.

The key here is to take notice of who gets good pay when you're young, you then find out what skills you need to get such a job and how long it takes to get to that wage.

Make a plan, and follow through.

No one should ever be promised a living wage, ever. It is incumbent upon YOU to earn your way through life.

 

[Cellblock2429]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

Just about everyone I know is a Democrat.
None of us believe in such nonsense.

But the few Republicans I watch on TV hate gays.
They think millions losing their healthcare is a good thing.
They think clean air and clean water is too expensive.
They want to cut taxes on billionaires.
They think we spend too much on job training for veterans and want to cut school lunches for poor children.
How do we know Republicans want these things? Their policies tell us.

/——/ you Post your straw man arguments with reckless abandonment. Now prove any of those allegations or immediately apologize to the board.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Then you are gonna hafta get employers to pay a genuine living wage.

That will make the problem worse, not fix it.

The problem is neither an excess of liberty nor a deficiency of government, except that government has been derelict in its constitutional duties to regulate immigration, which has a DIRECT effect on the job market and economy as a whole.

See? Libertarians DO believe in government. Its purpose should be to promote liberty and prosperity of its citizens (not citizens of Mexico or elsewhere).

No, the problem is wges haven't kept pace with the cost of living.

If you take out cell phones, cable tv, manicures, and vacations the cost of living hasn't gone up that much.

Yes, it has. And wages, particularly minimum wages, have hardly budged.

Say what ? Seattle's minimum wage will be $15 an hour soon.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Really? Which nations have the same universal income for all citizens?

Who has ever advocated universal income other than rightwing fantasies

Ensuring people have access to affordable housing, healthcare and food does not constitute universal income

Affordable housing caused the Real Estate crash of 2008. Government healthcare programs caused healthcare to become unaffordable. Right now there is no great food problem but, let the organic freaks loose and there will be. Neo-Marxists **** up everything.

Rampant speculation caused the crash

No, it was Barney Frank's oversight of Fannie Mae who created 'affordable housing' loans that allowed people to lie about their income qualification based on the false assumption that Real Estate values could never go down. Those mortgage instruments were certified by Fannie Mae which allowed them to be bundled into securities. Typical Neo-Marxists creating problems where none existed then.....Spending more money on government programs to solve the problems they created.

That is a joke

Republicans controlled Congress. How did Barney Frank get to run things

Larry Summers
Robert Rubin
Care to talk about those guys?
Derivative markets....how about that?
Debt as income....how about that?

 

[DustyInfinity]

The real world cures the indoctrination by teachers and prof. Eventually our young communists must get a job, care for a family, and pay the bills. Communism does not help with any of that. Older voters are way more conservative because the kids haven't figured it out yet. Communism prevents people capable of finding success from succeeding, while at the same time creating a generational nightmare of dependents. On top of it all, the ruling class grows even more powerful and people have absolutely no voice in their own lives. It is such an ugly ideology, with such a record of failure, that I can't believe the six companies that control the media shill for this garbage.

 

[rightwinger]

That’s the point

That ladder to success is no longer there. Low skilled labor used to move towards manufacturing or maybe a union job where they could support a family. Those jobs have disappeared.

Yea you can enter a minimum wage job and maybe move up to ten bucks an hour. But the track to twenty dollar an hour jobs is not there

Especially when you feel the company "owes" you anything...dumbass.

Especially when they just got a fifty percent tax cut

Sad life when someone feels they are entitled.

I agree

Why are corporations entitled to a fifty percent tax cut and the rest of us aren’t?

Income taxes are unconstitutional

Actually, they are in the Constitution

 

[rightwinger]

Who has ever advocated universal income other than rightwing fantasies

Ensuring people have access to affordable housing, healthcare and food does not constitute universal income

Affordable housing caused the Real Estate crash of 2008. Government healthcare programs caused healthcare to become unaffordable. Right now there is no great food problem but, let the organic freaks loose and there will be. Neo-Marxists **** up everything.

Rampant speculation caused the crash

No, it was Barney Frank's oversight of Fannie Mae who created 'affordable housing' loans that allowed people to lie about their income qualification based on the false assumption that Real Estate values could never go down. Those mortgage instruments were certified by Fannie Mae which allowed them to be bundled into securities. Typical Neo-Marxists creating problems where none existed then.....Spending more money on government programs to solve the problems they created.

That is a joke

Republicans controlled Congress. How did Barney Frank get to run things

Larry Summers
Robert Rubin
Care to talk about those guys?
Derivative markets....how about that?
Debt as income....how about that?

Explain the derivative market and how the poor exploited it

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Affordable housing caused the Real Estate crash of 2008. Government healthcare programs caused healthcare to become unaffordable. Right now there is no great food problem but, let the organic freaks loose and there will be. Neo-Marxists **** up everything.

Rampant speculation caused the crash

No, it was Barney Frank's oversight of Fannie Mae who created 'affordable housing' loans that allowed people to lie about their income qualification based on the false assumption that Real Estate values could never go down. Those mortgage instruments were certified by Fannie Mae which allowed them to be bundled into securities. Typical Neo-Marxists creating problems where none existed then.....Spending more money on government programs to solve the problems they created.

That is a joke

Republicans controlled Congress. How did Barney Frank get to run things

Larry Summers
Robert Rubin
Care to talk about those guys?
Derivative markets....how about that?
Debt as income....how about that?

Explain the derivative market and how the poor exploited it

Dude...yuo were basically saying this is all Republican's fault....I pointed out...that is not true

 

[Crepitus]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

Yes, but wealth is not unethical. Wealth generated by paying your employees so little they need foodstamps to feed themselves even though they have a full time job is though. So is wealth generated by price gouging on necessities like medical care or medicine.

There is nothing unethical about pricing the cost of labor and paying accordingly.

Except that they aren't. If it wasn't for SNAP programs corporate America would be low on workers because they all starved to death.

That simply isn't true and I would find any proof or study you have to defend such a statement.

Every job has a value that is provided to the company. That is the value that the company will pay for those services.

If you are pushing a broom, the value of that labor is roughly blocked at minimum wage. It is a good opportunity for a 16,17,18 year old kid who needs money for video games or maybe cash to save for a car, and after that, gas to get around with their friends. If the kid has parents worth anything, they will have taught him at a younger age to save a portion of that money for something worthwhile. Such as an education.

If you are a 30-something working for minimum wage and have been all your adult life, the problem isn't how a company values the labor they need, the problem is that you're a ******* loser.

The key here is to take notice of who gets good pay when you're young, you then find out what skills you need to get such a job and how long it takes to get to that wage.

Make a plan, and follow through.

No one should ever be promised a living wage, ever. It is incumbent upon YOU to earn your way through life.

A study? Look at some statistics on who get food stamps dude.

It is true, the federal government is keeping people who work for Walmart from starving to death.

 

[Crepitus]

Then you are gonna hafta get employers to pay a genuine living wage.

That will make the problem worse, not fix it.

The problem is neither an excess of liberty nor a deficiency of government, except that government has been derelict in its constitutional duties to regulate immigration, which has a DIRECT effect on the job market and economy as a whole.

See? Libertarians DO believe in government. Its purpose should be to promote liberty and prosperity of its citizens (not citizens of Mexico or elsewhere).

No, the problem is wges haven't kept pace with the cost of living.

If you take out cell phones, cable tv, manicures, and vacations the cost of living hasn't gone up that much.

Yes, it has. And wages, particularly minimum wages, have hardly budged.

Say what ? Seattle's minimum wage will be $15 an hour soon.

1 city doing the right thing.