We need to stop pretending that this issue is so difficult. It is obvious even to a young child.

[P F Tinmore]

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

The Palestinians are the descendants of the people that have always lived in the area. After the birth of Jesus Christ the vast majority converted to Christianity by 400 AD. The invading Zionists are European converts to Judaism.

"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion ."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf

This is a huge point, but you are making it for someone who believe that Muslims kept tax records for Jews before there were any Muslims. No, I am not making this up either.

Showing yet again that you are completely clueless when it comes to history. The Umayyad Caliphate began in the late 600's and they were the first Muslim government that kept tax records on the Jews within their sphere. You see, silly person, you were free to practice your own religion so long as you paid a special tax to the Caliphate. This is a well known fact, a fact that blows your fantasy land to smithereens, so you ignore well known history in your infantile effort to make a point.

Great, your temple doesn't teach history or math. 3000 years that began in 600, lol.

I'm not a Jew, moron. I'm agnostic. But I read a ton of history because it interests me and it annoys me no end when ignorant twats, like you, try to revise history to suit your political goals.

So then, why do you support a country that is based on killing, stealing, and lying?

Just curious.

 

[westwall]

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

So, the whole population, except for a few Jews, left the territory.

• Who were those people?
• Why did they leave?
• Where did they go?

Then the Palestinians came.

• Who were they?
• Where did they come from?
• Why would they go to a place where everybody left?

Your post doesn't make any sense.

Never claimed that. However it is KNOWN that the Palestinians didn't arrive in the region until quite recently. It is also known that there have been Jews living in the region for ALL of recorded history. I think that trumps anything you can claim.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

So, the whole population, except for a few Jews, left the territory.

• Who were those people?
• Why did they leave?
• Where did they go?

Then the Palestinians came.

• Who were they?
• Where did they come from?
• Why would they go to a place where everybody left?

Your post doesn't make any sense.

Never claimed that. However it is KNOWN that the Palestinians didn't arrive in the region until quite recently. It is also known that there have been Jews living in the region for ALL of recorded history. I think that trumps anything you can claim.

You claimed that there was nobody there but the Jews when the Palestinians arrived.

 

[louie888]

It is also known that there have been Jews living in the region for ALL of recorded history.

Please post your proof. You really do come off as retarded by the continuous spamming of this. Try posting your proof. Let's all finally see how clear this is.

 

[westwall]

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

So, the whole population, except for a few Jews, left the territory.

• Who were those people?
• Why did they leave?
• Where did they go?

Then the Palestinians came.

• Who were they?
• Where did they come from?
• Why would they go to a place where everybody left?

Your post doesn't make any sense.

Never claimed that. However it is KNOWN that the Palestinians didn't arrive in the region until quite recently. It is also known that there have been Jews living in the region for ALL of recorded history. I think that trumps anything you can claim.

You claimed that there was nobody there but the Jews when the Palestinians arrived.

Nope. I didn't. I merely stated, accurately, that Jews were the only group to have constantly been in the Holy Land. I made no other claim.

 

[westwall]

It is also known that there have been Jews living in the region for ALL of recorded history.

Please post your proof. You really do come off as retarded by the continuous spamming of this. Try posting your proof. Let's all finally see how clear this is.

Read a book on the history of the Umayyad Caliphate.

 

[Shusha]

Here’s my simple checklist for colonizers and imperialists.

1. Did you force your language on other peoples?
2. Did you force your religion on others?
3. Did you claim and subsume others sacred sites?
4. Do you deny indigenous people the right to self-determination on land that you conquered?
5. Did you conquer a large percentage of the known world?
6. Are you an asshat?

If you answered yes to more than one of these questions, chances are good that you are in fact a member of a colonialist imperialist people. The short version is did you take someone elses stuff and claim it as your own?


While I would LOVE to take credit for this simple and eloquent statement, these are the words of Ryan Bellerose, a Canadian First Nations advocate for indigenous peoples.

 

[louie888]

Here’s my simple checklist for colonizers and imperialists.

1. Did you force your language on other peoples?
2. Did you force your religion on others?
3. Did you claim and subsume others sacred sites?
4. Do you deny indigenous people the right to self-determination on land that you conquered?
5. Did you conquer a large percentage of the known world?
6. Are you an asshat?

If you answered yes to more than one of these questions, chances are good that you are in fact a member of a colonialist imperialist people. The short version is did you take someone elses stuff and claim it as your own?


While I would LOVE to take credit for this simple and eloquent statement, these are the words of Ryan Bellerose, a Canadian First Nations advocate for indigenous peoples.

It is NOT your list, you copied it. And it again is off topic. IT IS WRONG TO STEAL PEOPLES HOMES and this is obvious even to young children.

 

[westwall]

Here’s my simple checklist for colonizers and imperialists.

1. Did you force your language on other peoples?
2. Did you force your religion on others?
3. Did you claim and subsume others sacred sites?
4. Do you deny indigenous people the right to self-determination on land that you conquered?
5. Did you conquer a large percentage of the known world?
6. Are you an asshat?

If you answered yes to more than one of these questions, chances are good that you are in fact a member of a colonialist imperialist people. The short version is did you take someone elses stuff and claim it as your own?


While I would LOVE to take credit for this simple and eloquent statement, these are the words of Ryan Bellerose, a Canadian First Nations advocate for indigenous peoples.

It is NOT your list, you copied it. And it again is off topic. IT IS WRONG TO STEAL PEOPLES HOMES and this is obvious even to young children.

He gave proper credit for the list. And it is YOUR "people" who are violating at least three points on that list. How do you support that sort of behavior?

 

[louie888]

My people? The Palestinians? How have they done one damn thing on that list? This should be funny if nothing else.

 

[Hollie]

My people? The Palestinians? How have they done one damn thing on that list? This should be funny if nothing else.

Do you somehow believe that the Arabs-Moslems posing as "Pal'istanians " are not colonists / invaders? You don't understand that the kuffar understands the history of the area far better than you.

 

[Shusha]

Here’s my simple checklist for colonizers and imperialists.

1. Did you force your language on other peoples?
2. Did you force your religion on others?
3. Did you claim and subsume others sacred sites?
4. Do you deny indigenous people the right to self-determination on land that you conquered?
5. Did you conquer a large percentage of the known world?
6. Are you an asshat?

If you answered yes to more than one of these questions, chances are good that you are in fact a member of a colonialist imperialist people. The short version is did you take someone elses stuff and claim it as your own?


While I would LOVE to take credit for this simple and eloquent statement, these are the words of Ryan Bellerose, a Canadian First Nations advocate for indigenous peoples.

It is NOT your list, you copied it. And it again is off topic. IT IS WRONG TO STEAL PEOPLES HOMES and this is obvious even to young children.

Uh. Yeah. I SAID I copied it.

And. Uh. Yeah. That is the whole POINT of Ryan's checklist. Its WRONG TO STEAL PEOPLES HOMES AND LAND AND HOLY PLACES.

When did you say that Muslims were returning the Temple Mount to the Jewish people?

 

[louie888]

When did you say that Muslims were returning the Temple Mount to the Jewish people?

Dumbass, why would they ever part with what they own?

 

[westwall]

My people? The Palestinians? How have they done one damn thing on that list? This should be funny if nothing else.

I believe this is the most relevant one.

1. Do you deny indigenous people the right to self-determination on land that you conquered?

 

[Indeependent]

When did you say that Muslims were returning the Temple Mount to the Jewish people?

Dumbass, why would they ever part with what they own?

Because the King of Jordan told them to get out of the way of Arab tanks.

 

[louie888]

My people? The Palestinians? How have they done one damn thing on that list? This should be funny if nothing else.

I believe this is the most relevant one.

1. Do you deny indigenous people the right to self-determination on land that you conquered?

Palestinians do that?

And didn't she say at least two, lol?

So far you are 0 for 1.

 

[Shusha]

When did you say that Muslims were returning the Temple Mount to the Jewish people?

Dumbass, why would they ever part with what they own?

So now you are saying that if you steal something you own it? Make up your damn mind. Remember when you said, not more than three minutes ago that it was wrong to steal someone's home? Sorry, I mean, WRONG TO STEAL PEOPLES HOMES. Sorry, you won't accept an answer unless I use the quote function. So,

It is NOT your list, you copied it. And it again is off topic. IT IS WRONG TO STEAL PEOPLES HOMES and this is obvious even to young children.

 

[louie888]

So now you are saying that if you steal something you own it? Make up your damn mind. Remember when you said, not more than three minutes ago that it was wrong to steal someone's home? Sorry, I mean, WRONG TO STEAL PEOPLES HOMES. Sorry, you won't accept an answer unless I use the quote function. So,

The Palestinians stole nothing. You are an idiot and a liar. You support daily what you now are claiming is wrong. You appear simultaneously bipolar and hypocritical.

 

[Indeependent]

I wonder why the Palestinians were the only Arab nation in the region that didn't have a standing army.
Sounds to me like a bunch of nomads.
In either case, they ran and didn't come back.

 

[westwall]

So now you are saying that if you steal something you own it? Make up your damn mind. Remember when you said, not more than three minutes ago that it was wrong to steal someone's home? Sorry, I mean, WRONG TO STEAL PEOPLES HOMES. Sorry, you won't accept an answer unless I use the quote function. So,

The Palestinians stole nothing. You are an idiot and a liar. You support daily what you now are claiming is wrong. You appear simultaneously bipolar and hypocritical.

They stole the land from the indigenous people who were made up of various Bedouin tribal members, and JEWS! No Palestinians were there! Try and catch up dude. The history is well known! Why do you not understand it?